Judgmental Christians
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No. Only that judgement and a command to judge righteously is in the scriptures. These are things for the mature.
The immature judge by appearance.
The mature judge by righteousness.
The immature judge by similarity (“everyone is just like me”).
The mature judge by truth (“each man’s work will be made manifest”).
No. Your saying "this (We may exercise discernment, but we are too fallible to judge a person's ultimate destiny) is more judgmentalism" is judgmental.
We are commanded by Jesus to exercise self-examination and then discernment (Matt. 7:3-5), so that we may rightly reprove others in love (Eph. 4:15).
Do you see/agree?
I agree with you. Christ commands self‑examination first, then righteous discernment, so that correction can be given in love.
Righteous discernment is exactly what Jesus commands after self‑examination.
Matthew 7:3–5 is not a ban on judging — it is the method for judging rightly.
Paul affirms it: “He that is spiritual judges all things.”
It's called execution of judgment. Judgment is declaring innocent or guilty. Execution of judgment is stoning.
This is nonjudgmentalism that assumes all judging is wrong.
If the judging is true, then the wise will recieve the correction and grow thereby.
Pro 3:11
My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Once again, what's to forgive if the judgment is true? The judge has not done wrong.
This is the problem of trying to mix nonjudgmentalism of the person, with judgment of the works. It doesn't work, because the person rejects the judgment of the works as wrongdoing.
This text has been taken out of Context by so many people who claim to be Christian yet identify with their sin they can't remove to abandon. For one we do not identify with our sin we identify with Christ, where we move and have our being.
The idea there are "gay Christians", or " Carnal Christians" or "worldly Christians." That is an oxymoron. What fellowship does light have with darkness? 2cor 6:14.
Jesus will say to those who practice sin, "depart from me , I never knew you." Matthews 7:21-23
Many today say " Your not suppose to judge."
But fail to see where Jesus said, Take the beam from your eye then you will see clearly to take your brothers speck out of his eye. Telling one the word of God and pointing out what God said is sin is not judgement it is truth.
Many pervert the love of God at the expense of His Holiness, which no man will see God without. That's you and me. Heb 12:14.
It is not judgment to tell the truth and correct one who is in sin. That is LOVE!
Today in California many people who say do not judge are the same ones who provided drugs to people who are addicted and allow them to live on the street and give them money to do so. Instead of dealing with their addiction to save their life as they are downing, they throw them an anchor.
"WE don't want to judge you " so continue to kill yourself with the means we provided you. Jesus said it is a better for you that a millstone was tied about your neck and were thrown into the sea, than to cause children to stumble. Matthew 18:6
So, we judge and preach about the works, not about the person? Is that like condemn the sin but love the sinner?Why are you all changing my words.
I am saying over and over not to judge (condemn) a person. But judge (condemn) what they do. You can even confront them. "Why did you do this or that?" And who knows, maybe the Spirit of the Lord will convict them, you will preach Jesus to them and save their lives.
Mat 23:25
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess…Cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:29
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
that's not just the Lord with sole 'right' to condemn the person by their works. The Baptist does so. And James:
Mat 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Jas 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
And so, it's not possible to judge the works and not the person. It takes a person to commit adultery and steal, and it's the person judged an adulterer and thief.
God judges us people by our works, not just our works apart from us.
The Christian effort to separate our works from ourselves and who we are, in the name of love, is the Christian effort to separate our works from our faith, in the name of justification by faith alone.
The quotes I give from the Bible are written on this planet earth. Since you have no correction, then trying to make it from another planet won't change anything. The Lord God that wrote the Book is above all planets and stars.
Who says you do? It's God and us, that judges we are what we do. We are judged by our works. When we judge others by their works, we are already judged in like manner, because we judge ourselves by our own works.
The error being exposed here, is that if we judge others by our own works, in order to judge all people the same as us, then our judgment is not of God, but of man alone.
Christian sinners that judge all Christians to be sinners like themselves, are false judges. And Christians saints need not judge all Christians to be saints.
Jesus, teaching at the Feast of Booths
John 7 (ESV)
....14 About the middle of the feast Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching. 15 The Jews therefore marveled, saying, “How is it that this man has learning,when he has never studied?” 16 So Jesus answered them, “My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. 17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority. 18 The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood. 19 Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. Why do you seek to kill me?” 20 The crowd answered, “You have a demon! Who is seeking to kill you?” 21 Jesus answered them, “I did one work, and you all marvel at it. 22 Moses gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. 23 If on the Sabbath a man receives circumcision, so that the law of Moses may not be broken, are you angry with me because on the Sabbath I made a man's whole body well? 24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”
Not exactly. No Christian sinners should judge all Christians as also being sinners.
There are some Christians, that preach they are sinners, and do continue sinning in life. Who also go on to preach that we all are sinners, who will also continue sinning the same as they.
That is false judgmentalism, to judge all others by our own works.
Exactly. The Scriptures never say that all Christians are sinners. All Christians are not sinners.
And yet, why are their some Christians, openly delcaring themselves sinners, who also declare that all Christians are sinners like themselves?
All of my comments are directed by God for our own judgments:
Jhn 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
1 Cor 11:30
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
Judging according to our works is judging righteously.
But judging others by our works is unrighteous judgmentalism. Some Christian sinners say we all are sinners, because their own works are unrighteous.
Any Christian can certainly judge themselves sinners by their own sinful works: But any Christian then concluding we are all sinners, are false judges speaking evil of other Christians.
Jas 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Completely agree.
Bad judgment is a judgmental conclusion that all Christians must also be sinners, if we are. Or that all Christians must be doing righteousness, if we are.
We judge ourselves by our own works, and not others also by our works. Our works judge us only, not others.
And some Christian sinners saying that all Christians must also be sinners, then preach against judgmentalism between one another. While we see that they are the most judgmental of all...
But, I don't believe I've ever heard any Christian saints saying that all Christians are also living as saints. And so, righteous Christians that do not presume all Christians are doers of righteousness, are the least judgmental.
To really communicate what your saying, it would be helpful to isolate the specific Greek words used in each of those scriptures. The English is misleading because it uses one word for judging, when the Greek uses 3 or 4 for that same English word.
I kind of missed the premise your using by judging other by our works. That possibility would never enter my mind. So I have little interest in talking about it.
Well said.
1 Cor 11:30
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
The righteous judge only by works, not by appearance. The judgmental assume all people are the same as themselves.
It's the Christian sinners saying that all Christians must also be sinners, that are the most judgmental against other Christians.
Jas 4:11
Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
And some of those judgmental Christian sinners then go on to preach against Christians being judgmental with one another.
They speak evil of all other Christians, by assuming we all are sinners like themselves. But when their own confessed sinning is judged, they are offended.