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In other words Israel is better at protecting itself than Hamas trying to kill jews...
is that a bad thing?
Israel tries to target military installations which are hid in civilian areas.
Hamas targets civilian areas.
KILLINGS OF PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS BY ISRAELI FORCES
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In other words Israel is better at protecting itself than Hamas trying to kill jews...
is that a bad thing?
Israel tries to target military installations which are hid in civilian areas.
Hamas targets civilian areas.
Christianity....founded on and in Christ, perfect and pure, without blemish, innocent and alive.
Islam...founded by Muhammid a murdering pedaphile that teaches and spread his religion by the sword, and is dead.
Without a strong root, there isn't any good fruit.
As for me and my house we will serve the Lord, Jesus Christ.
Islam...founded by Muhammid a murdering pedaphile that teaches and spread his religion by the sword, and is dead.
Without a strong root, there isn't any good fruit.
As for me and my house we will serve the Lord, Jesus Christ.
I'm not a Straight A student of anything, just a old student and lover of the word of God. I agree with you.
Isaiah_TheFalse_VoiceInTheDesert continues to spread his false message. I see no help for him.
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AgeofKnowledge
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Re: ON-GOING MURDER OF JEWS BY ISLAMICS IN ISRAEL
Scholarly consensus is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scholars in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity.
For example, the consensus of Bible scholars is that the Jesus was a real historical person. A tiny handful defer from the consensus of scholars that Jesus was a real historical person.
Scholarly consensus is quite useful for when a large number of experts in a given field all agree on something, based on the evidence, and can correctly articulate why it is so: that lends credibility to an assertion.
Of course, scholarly consensus means nothing to internet warriors who have their best thinking to guide them... lol.
So when you falsely assert, or lend your support to the false assertion, that Isaiah 1 is a prophecy of the destruction of the modern state of Israel and all the nations that support the modern state of Israel: you're doing so in direct opposition to the consensus of old testament scholars that this is assuredly NOT so.
Babbling that they're all wrong and you're right doesn't help you. It just makes you look foolish. You should start reading what these scholars have to say instead.
Now certainly they will hold to various eschatological positions such as amillennialism, pre-millennialism, or post-millennialism; however, the aggregate scholarly consensus with respect to Isaiah 1 is certainly as I stated and not what wilderness son (and yourself?) are falsely asserting.
My moniker Age of knowledge is intended to mean that we live in an age of knowledge. If you're trying to some weak ad hominem here, you're failing miserably at it.
Scholarly consensus is the collective judgment, position, and opinion of the community of scholars in a particular field of study. Consensus implies general agreement, though not necessarily unanimity.
For example, the consensus of Bible scholars is that the Jesus was a real historical person. A tiny handful defer from the consensus of scholars that Jesus was a real historical person.
Scholarly consensus is quite useful for when a large number of experts in a given field all agree on something, based on the evidence, and can correctly articulate why it is so: that lends credibility to an assertion.
Of course, scholarly consensus means nothing to internet warriors who have their best thinking to guide them... lol.
So when you falsely assert, or lend your support to the false assertion, that Isaiah 1 is a prophecy of the destruction of the modern state of Israel and all the nations that support the modern state of Israel: you're doing so in direct opposition to the consensus of old testament scholars that this is assuredly NOT so.
Babbling that they're all wrong and you're right doesn't help you. It just makes you look foolish. You should start reading what these scholars have to say instead.
Now certainly they will hold to various eschatological positions such as amillennialism, pre-millennialism, or post-millennialism; however, the aggregate scholarly consensus with respect to Isaiah 1 is certainly as I stated and not what wilderness son (and yourself?) are falsely asserting.
My moniker Age of knowledge is intended to mean that we live in an age of knowledge. If you're trying to some weak ad hominem here, you're failing miserably at it.
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AgeofKnowledge
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I have an entire library of scholarly materials here that I've collected over more than thirty years bolstered by access to scholarly reference materials from universities and publishers via the Internet and a subscription to Logos Bible Software which puts over 27,000 titles related to the Bible from 150 publishers at my perusal.
As an educated person (two master's degrees including an M.Div. with my undergraduate in science all earned with an A average), I'm qualified to speak on these topics.
How about yourself? Since you're questioning my sources and academic background, let's qualify your own. Please share your academic qualifications and sources.
As an educated person (two master's degrees including an M.Div. with my undergraduate in science all earned with an A average), I'm qualified to speak on these topics.
How about yourself? Since you're questioning my sources and academic background, let's qualify your own. Please share your academic qualifications and sources.
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Fishbait
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Absurd. Jordan is a Palestinian state. The muslims got the lion's share. And look at the world. while the Jews get a postage stamp, the muslims have huge territory from Algeria to Indonesia. and they demand all the world! And they will take it by sword if they can. And after the Jews get their little postage stamp, while the Palestinians got the huge east of the Jordan, why they want all of the Jews' territory also, every last square inch. Who do you think you are fooling?
In regards to the land that God has promised Israel, Genesis 15:18 declares to Abraham, “To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates.” God later confirms this promise to Abraham’s son Isaac and Isaac’s son Jacob (whose name was later changed to Israel). When the Israelites were about to invade the Promised Land, God reiterated the land promise, as recorded in Joshua 1:4, “Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the great river, the Euphrates—all the Hittite country—to the Great Sea on the west.”
According to Genesis 15:18 and Joshua 1:4, the land God gave to Israel included everything from the Nile River in Egypt to Lebanon (south to north) and everything from the Mediterranean Sea to the Euphrates River (west to east). So, what land has God stated belongs to Israel? All of the land modern Israel currently possesses, plus all of the land of the Palestinians (the West Bank and Gaza), plus some of Egypt and Syria, plus all of Jordan, plus some of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Israel currently possesses only a fraction of the land God has promised.
Christian believers should give support to the chosen people of God. This is not to say that we support necessarily the methods they use in their relationships with the Arab nations. The Bible warned that conflict would always characterize the relations between the descendants of Isaac and Ishmael. Sadly, this conflict will continue until Jesus comes back to judge the nations and sets up His 1,000-year reign of peace on earth. We must look at the "big picture” with a biblical worldview. While we do not have to support everything Israel does as a nation, we most definitely should support Israel’s right to exist. God will fulfill His promises and covenants with Israel. God still has a plan for Israel. Woe to anyone who seeks to defeat that plan; “whoever curses you I will curse” (Genesis 12:3).
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If the British had....there would probably have been a whole lot fewer deaths and the conflict would have Ben over many years ago....and that comes from someone from Northern Ireland.
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Didymos, Let's see a cartoon for these moon worshiping animals.....
Hamas said to kill over 30 suspected collaborators with Israel | The Times of Israel
Why aren't the muslim defenders here focused on this evil, and spend their time hating Israel. They don't have the courage to see what these animals are doing.
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I would just like to say that as a Canadian, I abhor violence of all types. I do not believe in people carrying guns, because it promotes violence. I like to point to Japan as an example of what prohibiting guns can do. 2 murders with guns in 2012, for example.
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - Max Fisher - The Atlantic
That being said, I do understand there is such a thing as a "just" war. World Wars I and II being examples of that. When a dictator is given or seizes control of a country, and that country begins to eliminate its own citizens, or commit to conquering other lands, I do believe that other countries have the right to intervene.
I feel for both sides in this conflict. Many Palestinians are being daily killed. Whether by the Israelis or their own misfired rockets, I do not know! Israelis are also being killed.
My biggest objection to the objections to this post, is simply that is modern day Israel REALLY the fulfillment of Bible prophecy? It is actually a secular state. And many of the citizens of Israel are in fact, Jewish atheists. I have read sources that say between 19% to 37% self identify with atheism.
So is modern day Israel a land established by God, or a land of sanctuary for European Jews, who were escaping persecution after World War II and also from states like Russia, which treated them shamefully?
I personally don't know. I do know, they don't call themselves "Israelites." They call themselves "Israelis" to distinguish between the Bible Jews and the modern day state. A small difference, perhaps, but one that does give one pause to think. Because the Israelis themselves are doing something new.
Of course, there are many legitimate Jewish believers in Israel, who are the descendants of the Pharisees. You remember, the ones who rejected Jesus. The Pharisees were the only survivors after the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, and the Jews dispersed. And one of the things they did after that was write the Talmud, a list of even more rules and regulations than the 613 in the Old Testament. So basically, the Jewish religion and temple worship was destroyed by Titus in 70 AD. And why? Because Jesus fulfilled the law, and the rituals weren't required any more.
"If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. [SUP]13 [/SUP]He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, [SUP]16 [/SUP]one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life" Hebrews 7:11-16.
So ancestry, according to Hebrews, means nothing since Jesus died on the cross, and rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. There is no NEED for a temple, sacrifices or the Old Covenant, which the religious modern day Jews represent.
"But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises." Hebrews 8:6
However, this does not mean I do not have any sympathies for the Israelis, and the terrorist war which is being conducted by Hamas. In fact, I have seen pictures of the underground tunnels found by the Egyptians, used to bring in war materials, and to enter Israel in the future. Something in the area of over 1600 of them. The modern day Jews were horribly persecuted, and my memory of history is that neither Canada nor the US allowed them to dock their leaky boats when they escaped Europe and the Holocaust. So whether they are the fulfillment of Scripture, I doubt, but they do need a country of their own. So I do support the concept of Israel in the Middle East, since no one else was willing to give them a country.
So where does that leave the Palestinians? Well, some are Christians, which many seem to forget. I had a friend who was a Christian Palestinian Israeli, and she was persecuted. She finally immigrated to Australia, where her mother and father had long ago left for. But I will say, she was totally ignorant of the Bible, and I was able to share with her what being a Christian was really about. It was NOT about whether the Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox church was the "true" church, but rather that Jesus died for her sins.
And the Muslim Palestinians, what about them? Well, I do believe, if I read history correctly, that many left their houses and lands, when told by the other Arab countries they would get back their homes after the Arab/Muslim countries destroyed Israel right after Partition. And they were never let back in, or they didn't want back in till the Jews were gone. Not sure about that. Finding good sources is part of my issue.
I do know that the Palestinians, despite propaganda, were given homes, schools and hospitals. They were given land back by the Israelis. But they never have acknowledged it. Instead, they have been used as pawns by the terrorists organizations, to further their own agenda of destroying Israel.
So I am really on the fence, seeing two very real sides to this story. But right now, the thing that bothers me most, as a Canadian, is seeing the defense of Hamas in the media, and the way Obama has totally sided with the Muslims, including such things as huge arms sales to Saudi Arabia, where the militant Wahhabis are stationed. So how much of those arms end up in the hands of Hamas? Even Egypt has turned on Hamas, which was supposedly a spin off of the Muslim Brotherhood.
A very complex situation in the Middle East today, which I find very scary, in terms of the killings going on, the future of these areas for both Israel and the Palestinians.
Personally, I do favour a two state concept for the Middle East. But sadly, as many have pointed out, Hamas and many of the Arab countries do not. So the war is going to continue. And how long? Given that this war has gone on since Israel was created in 1948, 66 years ago, I do not see it ending soon. I also remember reading some of Hal Lindsay's prophecies as a young Christian, and that it would be one generation after 1948 till Jesus returned. Since a generation was 40 years, it seems like we are well past that point.
Anyway, I don't usually speak about American politics, it has gotten me in a lot of trouble on FB. But it does seem to me like Obama is part of the cause of this session of war in the Middle East, because he has not taken a strong stand on this issue, unlike Prime Minister Harper, (Canadian Prime Minister!) who actually called on Obama to stand with Israel, our traditional ally. Obama never answered Harper.
And no, not the whole cause, for sure! Anyway, just my two cents of straddling the Canadian fence for peace. There are arguments on both sides, and no doubt too many people have been killed already. And I am offering no solutions, except for the traditional Canadian one that we have tried to always take as peace keepers, to settle without war, if possible.
PS. Please don't jump on me and tell me that the "other" side does not want peace. So far, from everything I have read, it seems like the Hamas side is the less likely side with peace. And I do not identify all Palestinians with Hamas, for sure!
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - Max Fisher - The Atlantic
That being said, I do understand there is such a thing as a "just" war. World Wars I and II being examples of that. When a dictator is given or seizes control of a country, and that country begins to eliminate its own citizens, or commit to conquering other lands, I do believe that other countries have the right to intervene.
I feel for both sides in this conflict. Many Palestinians are being daily killed. Whether by the Israelis or their own misfired rockets, I do not know! Israelis are also being killed.
My biggest objection to the objections to this post, is simply that is modern day Israel REALLY the fulfillment of Bible prophecy? It is actually a secular state. And many of the citizens of Israel are in fact, Jewish atheists. I have read sources that say between 19% to 37% self identify with atheism.
So is modern day Israel a land established by God, or a land of sanctuary for European Jews, who were escaping persecution after World War II and also from states like Russia, which treated them shamefully?
I personally don't know. I do know, they don't call themselves "Israelites." They call themselves "Israelis" to distinguish between the Bible Jews and the modern day state. A small difference, perhaps, but one that does give one pause to think. Because the Israelis themselves are doing something new.
Of course, there are many legitimate Jewish believers in Israel, who are the descendants of the Pharisees. You remember, the ones who rejected Jesus. The Pharisees were the only survivors after the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, and the Jews dispersed. And one of the things they did after that was write the Talmud, a list of even more rules and regulations than the 613 in the Old Testament. So basically, the Jewish religion and temple worship was destroyed by Titus in 70 AD. And why? Because Jesus fulfilled the law, and the rituals weren't required any more.
"If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. [SUP]13 [/SUP]He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, [SUP]16 [/SUP]one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life" Hebrews 7:11-16.
So ancestry, according to Hebrews, means nothing since Jesus died on the cross, and rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. There is no NEED for a temple, sacrifices or the Old Covenant, which the religious modern day Jews represent.
"But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises." Hebrews 8:6
However, this does not mean I do not have any sympathies for the Israelis, and the terrorist war which is being conducted by Hamas. In fact, I have seen pictures of the underground tunnels found by the Egyptians, used to bring in war materials, and to enter Israel in the future. Something in the area of over 1600 of them. The modern day Jews were horribly persecuted, and my memory of history is that neither Canada nor the US allowed them to dock their leaky boats when they escaped Europe and the Holocaust. So whether they are the fulfillment of Scripture, I doubt, but they do need a country of their own. So I do support the concept of Israel in the Middle East, since no one else was willing to give them a country.
So where does that leave the Palestinians? Well, some are Christians, which many seem to forget. I had a friend who was a Christian Palestinian Israeli, and she was persecuted. She finally immigrated to Australia, where her mother and father had long ago left for. But I will say, she was totally ignorant of the Bible, and I was able to share with her what being a Christian was really about. It was NOT about whether the Catholic or the Eastern Orthodox church was the "true" church, but rather that Jesus died for her sins.
And the Muslim Palestinians, what about them? Well, I do believe, if I read history correctly, that many left their houses and lands, when told by the other Arab countries they would get back their homes after the Arab/Muslim countries destroyed Israel right after Partition. And they were never let back in, or they didn't want back in till the Jews were gone. Not sure about that. Finding good sources is part of my issue.
I do know that the Palestinians, despite propaganda, were given homes, schools and hospitals. They were given land back by the Israelis. But they never have acknowledged it. Instead, they have been used as pawns by the terrorists organizations, to further their own agenda of destroying Israel.
So I am really on the fence, seeing two very real sides to this story. But right now, the thing that bothers me most, as a Canadian, is seeing the defense of Hamas in the media, and the way Obama has totally sided with the Muslims, including such things as huge arms sales to Saudi Arabia, where the militant Wahhabis are stationed. So how much of those arms end up in the hands of Hamas? Even Egypt has turned on Hamas, which was supposedly a spin off of the Muslim Brotherhood.
A very complex situation in the Middle East today, which I find very scary, in terms of the killings going on, the future of these areas for both Israel and the Palestinians.
Personally, I do favour a two state concept for the Middle East. But sadly, as many have pointed out, Hamas and many of the Arab countries do not. So the war is going to continue. And how long? Given that this war has gone on since Israel was created in 1948, 66 years ago, I do not see it ending soon. I also remember reading some of Hal Lindsay's prophecies as a young Christian, and that it would be one generation after 1948 till Jesus returned. Since a generation was 40 years, it seems like we are well past that point.
Anyway, I don't usually speak about American politics, it has gotten me in a lot of trouble on FB. But it does seem to me like Obama is part of the cause of this session of war in the Middle East, because he has not taken a strong stand on this issue, unlike Prime Minister Harper, (Canadian Prime Minister!) who actually called on Obama to stand with Israel, our traditional ally. Obama never answered Harper.
And no, not the whole cause, for sure! Anyway, just my two cents of straddling the Canadian fence for peace. There are arguments on both sides, and no doubt too many people have been killed already. And I am offering no solutions, except for the traditional Canadian one that we have tried to always take as peace keepers, to settle without war, if possible.
PS. Please don't jump on me and tell me that the "other" side does not want peace. So far, from everything I have read, it seems like the Hamas side is the less likely side with peace. And I do not identify all Palestinians with Hamas, for sure!
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AgeofKnowledge
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I'm always amused when liberals think that gun control on small islands somehow extrapolates to large land masses... lol. It does NOT and it NEVER will. All it accomplishes is putting law abiding citizens at the mercy of criminals, literally.
An intelligent comparison would be between Mexico and the U.S.. Of course, the statistics in that comparison refute gun control advocates so they stay away from it and troll small islands instead.
An intelligent comparison would be between Mexico and the U.S.. Of course, the statistics in that comparison refute gun control advocates so they stay away from it and troll small islands instead.
Another example of Hamas killing its own people, hospital and refugee camp hit with children killed, this was initially reported as nasty Israel killing children again which most media sources are still claiming, however IDF said they can prove it was not them and that it was Hamas rockets falling short.
Beyond astonishing that some Christians think it is mere coinccidence that Jews are back in THE land, CALLED ISRAEL! What difference does it make how many Jews are atheist? Israel always had a good chunk of it's population that were not faithful to God. But it also always had a remnant that were faithful, and the same holds true today. How is it even concievable to believe they are there but for any reason that God ordained it?
Does Hamas warn Israeli civilians when it shoots missiles into Israel.....like Israel does?
Does Hamas offer medical attention to Israeli civilians....like Israel has?
Nope, Hamas targets civilians.
I do not see how anyone can support Hamas....other than hatred and bigotry.
Its not rocket science....and looking at the accuracy of Hamas rockets, they don't understand even that.
Does Hamas offer medical attention to Israeli civilians....like Israel has?
Nope, Hamas targets civilians.
I do not see how anyone can support Hamas....other than hatred and bigotry.
Its not rocket science....and looking at the accuracy of Hamas rockets, they don't understand even that.
So, really what you're saying is, regardless of whether an innocent Catholic, is a hardline Republican, the areas in which hardliners reside should be bombed repetitively until the few hardliners amongst a plethora of civilians give in and no longer want back what the British took by division and conquest? And you think this would have resulted in fewer deaths?
If I've learned anything of the IRA, or Al Qaeda or indeed Hamas, it's that the more they are pressured, the more fierce is their resistance.
We'd still be in the troubles if the British had treated Northern Ireland as Israel treats Palestine, and not only that, enough Protestant lives would have come as collateral damage for even the staunchest UDA man to question where his loyalties lie.
When your innocent kids are being bombed by a government's military forces, past loyalties, political opinions and notions of religious affiliation mean little in comparison.
Are any of you muppets understanding what he meant to bring up was that CHILDREN were killed by drones??!? I mean seriously I havent seen any of you mention this yet except when drett brought it up thats what hes talking about *innocent people being kill*. Just because people thinking children dying is bad does not automatically ASSUME we support terrorist or what not. Its funny how some of you guys got so so mad at obama for killing an american terrorist that help plot 9-11 but you think its perfectly fine for Israel to use drones on whoever they want. How can some people be such hypocrites, sounds like a lot of you are repeating like a parrot what fox news tells you.
Moon worshiping animals? what in the world the crescent moon is a ancient mongol/turkic coat of arms it has nothing to do with their religion thats why mostly only turkic nations have crescents on their flags *because their ancestors were those people* You probably dont even know what turkic is or medieval history of central asia is so theres probably not point in bringing this up.