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Oh, Kent Hovind.
Isn't he the guy who had the dinosaur ranch where you could ride the dinosaurs that coexist with man?
So you are a big Kent Hovind fan, are you?
Do you visit him at the federal prison in Atlanta where he is incarcerated?
Deadtosin, what if I told you that the KJV differs from the Majority Text in several hundred places?
Okay, I want you to look at the sources below and compare the verses.
(Don't be silly and look at the sources (diverting away from the topic); The truth is not changed in those verses whoever made the comparison between these translations):
Just compare the verses in the following links and you will see the NKJV is a counterfeit Bible:
What is wrong with the New King James Version (NKJV)?
The New King James Bible: Counterfeit
KJV Vs NKJV
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JesusIsAll
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I prefer the King James of all Bibles, esteem the Geneva and NASB, also, as a mature Christian, but here is something to think about, those of you who suffer, as if, some paranoia that any other translation than yours is a trap laid by the devil.
I first came to Christ in earnest when very young, reading a Good News Bible, learned all the gospel truth required to understand and believe in Jesus Christ as Lord. I came to actually use other translations, primary the KJV, for study, while maturing. But only an ignorant fool could tell me that Good News Bible was not a mighty blessing, that it did not do its work to plainly reveal the gospel that made me respond to Jesus Christ, as I know this the case. I also receive many blessings of understanding from an Amplified Bible when younger.
This is just something to think about, you that hurl stones about that all things that don't line up with your personal view are evil, from the devil. This is also the exact thinking of many cults, whose members specialize more in arrogant, trollish bickering, than edifying other Christians.
I first came to Christ in earnest when very young, reading a Good News Bible, learned all the gospel truth required to understand and believe in Jesus Christ as Lord. I came to actually use other translations, primary the KJV, for study, while maturing. But only an ignorant fool could tell me that Good News Bible was not a mighty blessing, that it did not do its work to plainly reveal the gospel that made me respond to Jesus Christ, as I know this the case. I also receive many blessings of understanding from an Amplified Bible when younger.
This is just something to think about, you that hurl stones about that all things that don't line up with your personal view are evil, from the devil. This is also the exact thinking of many cults, whose members specialize more in arrogant, trollish bickering, than edifying other Christians.
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StopTheInsanity
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Absolutely not... Salvation does not depend on anyone's belief system anyway, it depends on how you live your life according to the advice of the Word, especially the Universal Law of the Ten Commandments...Read those in every Bible ever printed, as every religion in the whole globe has the same moral code given by God in the beginning...Digest just those words and sincerely apply yourself to keeping them, and our Creator will do the rest, because, after all, He is our Saviour and promises that when we make up our mind to keep his dictates, then He is there to help us succeed, and then and only then, will the small, quiet voice begin to get louder and louder, encouraging us in every step of our improvement in this journey towards Eternal Happiness...By the way, I love the King James Version Sacred Name edition...That's my main Bible study Bible, but, like you, I have many others...
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I first came to Christ as an atheist. I began to read the NIV, I read it for several years and never learned anything, in fact the things I thought I knew were wrong. Then I began to read the KJV and the scales were lifted off my eyes... the scriptures came to life, I began to actually know God through his word. I began to understand scripture that never made any sense before.
There is an inerrant word of God and it is the KJV, no bible compares to it. I agree people can get saved reading any bible, but spiritual growth can only happen in the true word of God.
Dear KJV1611:
I agree. A person can get saved with any translation. And I also agree true spiritual growth involves the pure Word of God.
Granted, I still read the Modern Translations in helping to update the language (Especially in the OT), but they are not my final Word of authority. I look at Modern Translations as if I am sifting thru dirt to get to the gold which is in the KJV and the original Hebrew and Greek.
I agree. A person can get saved with any translation. And I also agree true spiritual growth involves the pure Word of God.
Granted, I still read the Modern Translations in helping to update the language (Especially in the OT), but they are not my final Word of authority. I look at Modern Translations as if I am sifting thru dirt to get to the gold which is in the KJV and the original Hebrew and Greek.
The first three posts at the top of this page reference Kent Hovind.
What are your views on his interpretations of Scripture?
I am not interested in his views. I am interested in what the Word of God says; And I believe the Word will lead a person to accept that the King James is the preserved Word of God for our day. This is based on what the Word actually says; And I have discovered 3 major Biblical reasons that backs this up (of which I have already provided already).
Dinosaurs were here, we know that. God created man in the beginning of creation (the bible says that) the idea dinosaurs didn't co exist with man would be unbiblical. I am a big Kent Hovind fan and what does being incarcerated have to do with his christianity? history is chalk full of christians being persecuted for numbers of different reasons. I could argue if you aren't being persecuted you aren't doing it right lol. Watchmen Nee was persecuted. Love that guy too.
All the religious books of faith contain the following:
Ten Commandments
This is the ten (10) I was given
[1] Thou shall have no other god before Me;
[2] Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in haven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
[3] Thou shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve the; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the inequity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments;
[4] Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name invain.
[5] Remember the Holy day, to keep it holy
[6] Honor thy father and thy mother;
[7] Thou shalt not kill
[8] Thou shalt not steal
[9] Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
[10] Thou shall not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor’s
I put the above to memory when I was a child and most is not all of the above is the "Law" in every country on this planet.
food for thought
-Watchman Nee was imprisoned in China because of his Christian faith.
Kent Hovind is imprisoned in Atlanta for laundering money, tax evasion, and the like.
Hovind probably didn't report all the income he got from giving dinosaur rides in his backyard.
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emarie
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The KJV is definitely the most accurate. Most other translations of the Bible miss key points. My family and I believe in Textus Receipts. If KJV is too heavy for you, then I recommend the NKJV.
Jason, you should know me better than that. I don't say things flippantly
First, let me share these quotes from relevant scholars:
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Who said these things? Was it Kurt Aland? Daniel Wallace? FJA Hort? Why, no.
The first quote is from John Burgon, former Dean of Chichester Cathedral in England and an Anglican priest, known as the figurehead of the KJVO group the Dean Burgon Society. The second quote was from his close colleague and the man Burgon entrusted with his unfinished work 'The traditional text of the Holy Gospels vindicated and established' ahead of his death, Edward Miller. They both spent most of their careers railing against the likes of Westcott and Hort in the 19th century, and 'Traditinal Text' was essentially an anti W&H polemic (which is still aimed against modern text critics, even though many of the same arguments don't really apply). They both acknowledge that the TR is not synonymous the Traditional (i.e original or authoritative) Text, mostly on the basis that it doesn't align with the majority of manuscripts, although they argue the TR is as good a basis as any to try and revise toward that aim (certainly better than the editions formulated by W&H at the time).
I could post a list of such differences, but at this point I think it would be most helpful to deal with individual examples. Go and find your KJV and read Matthew 10:8. In that verse, you should find the words "raise the dead". I want to ask you two questions, that seem similar, but they can actually be answered differently, depending on what you think. Genuinely interested in your answer.
Do you think those three words belong in that verse in the KJV?
Do you think those three words belong in that verse in the Majority Text?
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Well, for the sake of argument, lets just say the whole Westcott and Hort thing is not true (Even though it is true), there is then the observable evidence that tells me that all Modern Translations are corrupt in some way. For example, let's look at the King James 2000 Bible. First, the good: I have a hard copy of this translation at home for quick offline referencing. I also like reading it online because the online version provides all the words of God (Christ) in red (Including the Old Testament). It also strives to stick to the poetic language of the original King James but it updates the thee's and the thou's along with other Old English words. I thought maybe this is the Bible that would be "My Bible." Well, this leads me into my second point, the bad: For in my reading of the KJ2, I discovered that they replaced the word "dragon" with the word "jackal." This is a huge perversion in my experience of studying the Scriptures on the topic of "dragons." For one, what is a "jackal well" (Nehemiah 2:13)? Jackels do not live in wells. Dragons would live in wells (Which is what the 1769 (1611) KJV says.
Many other translations (Not the KJ2 or King James 2000) changes Revelation 13:1 from "I" (i.e. John referring to himself) to the word "dragon" standing on the seashore. The dragon is the devil. In Genesis 22:17 it talks about the Promise to Abraham and how his descendants would be like the stars and the sand on the seashore who would possess the gate of his enemies. In Bible language, standing on something means you own it. The devil wants to own you. So he places his stink in Modern Translations making it appear that he is standing on the seashore when it should be John (Who is a descendant of Abraham).
In other words, I read Modern Translations and even like the NLT (New Living Translation) a lot when I read the Old Testament. But I do not make Modern Translations my final word of authority like the KJV because they are corrupted in many passages. This is obvious if one were to do a side by side comparison between the KJV and the Modern Translations. But if you don't want to see it, then no comparison will truly matter to you. But I believe the devil is subtle in his attack on God's Word. And his tactic has worked because I have had people believing a Modern Translation over the KJV. They don't speak or write Hebrew or Greek. They just have chosen a translation that lines up with their beliefs about God. I believe this is part of the deception that is leading men away from the faith. But can I use Modern Translations? Absolutely. I can easily sift thru the dirt to get to the gold comparing them next to the KJV and the original Hebrew (OT) and Greek (NT).
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As for Matthew 10:8 with the words "raise the dead":
Well, first, God's Word claims that it is perfect (Psalm 12:6 KJV) (Psalm 119:140 KJV) (Proverbs 30:5 KJV) and that it will be preserved for all generations (Psalm 12:7 KJV) and it will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8 KJV) (1 Peter 1:25 KJV). Therefore, seeing Scripture plainly states these facts, it then becomes an issue of a test of your faith in God's Word (See the test the devil gave to Eve in Genesis 3:1 KJV); Because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe (1 Thessalonians 2:13 KJV). In other words, do you believe you hold the very words of God within your hands like the disciples did?
Second, so it then becomes obvious that my answer would be a "yes" in regards to the KJV having the words "raise the dead" in Matthew 10:8. All words belong in the Bible. For if we are commanded not to add or take away any words from the prophecy of the book (Which is the Bible). In fact, Scripture itself testifies that God's people did raise others from the dead. Peter raises Tabitha (Acts 9:36-42). Paul raised a young man who fell out of a window and died (Acts 20:7-12); For Jesus said, "he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also." (John 14:12).
Third, as for the equivalant transliteration of the words "raised from the dead" being present in Matthew 10:8 in the Majority Text (Byzantine Text) (Which Westcott and Hort used to make their Greek Translation)? Well, I do not have copies of the manuscripts of the Majority Text. Neither do I have copies of the manuscripts of the Textus Receptus, either. E-Sword shows that the words "raised from the dead" do not appear in the "Textus Receptus" or the "Westcott and Hort" texts. However, I do not believe E-Sword and other scholars are basing their data off complete information. I believe the "Textus Receptus" still exists today somewhere but it is lost to the public. It is reported that there are more trust worthy Latin manuscripts that confirms that the words "raised from the dead" should be in Matthew 10:8. But you know what? I do not need to seek out old manuscripts (That could be true or false), I have a thing called "faith" and a testimony of observable evidences that the KJV is the divinely inspired preserved Word for our world language today (i.e. English).
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