Knowing Supersedes Wondering

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

NetChaplain

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2018
734
259
63
#1
Significance is not so much in wondering about the reality of God as much as it is in knowing what His Word says of Him, because our reasoning is at times inaccurate, it being effected by our senses and “the old man.”

The “wondering” for the believer isn’t doubt of the Word but of self in attempting to achieve some type of a sense of the reality of God. Notice the word “sense,” as in the five senses, which have no commonality or production with spiritual faith, which is different in essence from natural faith of the senses.

Believing by sensual or natural faith is different than believing by non-sensual or supernatural faith (fruit of the Spirit - Gal 5:22). The prior is believing by physical proof (walking by sight - 2Co 5:7), and the latter is believing without physical proof (Jhn 20:29). Faith in God's Word provides the primary means by which the Spirit confirms within us that "we are the children of God" (Ro 8:16).

Of course, what we think about everything is inferior to what God’s Word says about everything, and it’s often here that we place too much reasoning about His Word instead of merely taking thought of His Word. Wanting to sense more of God’s reality will only yield a limited result (so don’t let it disappoint you) because there is nothing within our senses that can relate to Him.

He cannot be known by the senses but by knowledge of His Word which the Spirit teaches, and this gives increase to faith, which is the most significant aspect concerning our union or connection with God in this life (united “through faith” – Eph. 2:8); and is the reason why He gradually removed the reality of seeing (sensing) His physical workings, in provision of allowing faith to continue to grow, for faith has its use only in this life. The more physical proof one has of God, the less there will be potential for the increase of spiritual faith.
 

tourist

Senior Member
Mar 13, 2014
42,597
17,062
113
69
Tennessee
#2
The more physical proof one has of God, the less there will be potential for the increase of spiritual faith.
I agree, it is like Thomas who doubted the resurrection of Jesus. Once he was shown the scars he believed but Jesus said blessed are those that believe without seeing but rather rely on faith in the hope of evidence that is unseen.
 

Lanolin

Well-known member
Dec 15, 2018
23,460
7,188
113
#3
hmm I dont really agree, as wondering for me is more of a sense of awe at Gods ways when we dont undesrtand them.

Thats why I think of things as 'wonderful'
 

Lanolin

Well-known member
Dec 15, 2018
23,460
7,188
113
#4
You can still have a sense of wonder even when knowing Gods word. I think even Moses who saw God face to face went up to the mountain in wonderment.
 

NetChaplain

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2018
734
259
63
#5
I agree, it is like Thomas who doubted the resurrection of Jesus. Once he was shown the scars he believed but Jesus said blessed are those that believe without seeing but rather rely on faith in the hope of evidence that is unseen.
Thanks for the instructional reply! It wasn't just Thomas because the others didn't understand either about His resurrection until they saw Him (Jhn 20:8, 9). Thomas just didn't happen to be with them when He appeared to them. But now, instead of physical proof to the senses, it's proof primarily via faith (Heb 11:1), because this is the only life faith can be used, which is about to pass. Also, it's the Sprit that confirms the reality of God to the believer (Rom 8:16) via the Word.
 

NetChaplain

Well-known member
Nov 21, 2018
734
259
63
#6
hmm I dont really agree, as wondering for me is more of a sense of awe at Gods ways when we dont undesrtand them.

Thats why I think of things as 'wonderful'
I agree, all that God does in the life of the believer is but wonder of awe, and not wonder of doubt. I believe the point is that He no longer allows proof of His existence via the senses as before, for the sake of increasing faith to its optimum ability, because we will not be using faith in the next life, as it will all be "sight" (2Co 5:7).