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CS1

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PP was founded by a raging racist, correct, so that is the bedrock, but we cannot call it racism, that black mothers choose to abort more than white mothers do. I believe black people are only 15% btw, does not change anything about disproportionality, but it is not racist. We can question why such a disproportional amount of them are placed in black hoods, and other minorityhoods, and wonder if that is racist. But let us not make false racismclaims regarding freewill usage of them. We might say the system is setup in a way, that force young black girls to get abortions, because the system sets them up to live without fathers in the home, otherwise they lose benefitchecks. But the choice of abortion is a personal one, and not racism. Otherwise it would be blacks being racist against themselves, and that strikes me as a bit silly.

I disagree,
I will explain to you why it is racist. And the African American population percentage of 13% means they are in decline from where they were at 17 % just less than five years ago.


IF you live in a poor community that has substandard education, health, and work opportunities, and when a young black girl becomes pregnant and the only solution the public school pushes along with the city programs is an abortion where the population is 13 % but make most of the abortion of any class of people in light of the Founding program created to reduce the population of Blacks HOW can you say it is not racist because white women are abused by the same program? it is economic racism, and socially racist.

Welfare was created to get black women dependent on the Government and they also like when whites do that too.

The Government was so willing to help women as LONG AS NO FATHER WAS IN THE HOME. That is racist.
There is no free will once you are addicted or in bondage to the culture that is swayed to only one solution.
 
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You ask, "Why is the KKK associated with Christianity?" The KKK were/are Protestant fanatics who were not only racist but also haters and persecuters of other religions such as Catholics and Jews, immigrants, homosexuals, leftists, and atheists.

Their symbol was the Cross of Christ. Despite being a terrorist organization, they were in fact a Protestant Christian movement.

Surprisingly, the KKK dominated the State Politics in northern states such as Indiana and Colorado. They were a strong organization that claimed to be Bible Christianity. However, they had an agenda and were filled with hate for others. But they used Biblical Scripture to justify their hatreds.
What many nation said about the bible in the past was that it was a weapon of war. And it was..for good and for evil.
 

Nehemiah6

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They have hurt race relations in a way that pushed back progress for decades.
The KKK may have been actively racist in the past, but it has been a very long time since they have had any impact on race relations or society in general.

The truth of the matter is that between 1964 and 2008 (when Obama took office) white racism in America was becoming less and less a factor in society. That is almost
50 years of progress. Indeed blacks had made tremendous gains in every occupation and business and race had become secondary.

However Barack Hussein Obama (a Black Communist and crypto-Muslim) made racial tensions a primary focus of his presidency to keep his influence on white society through white guilt. He did not actually give a hoot about his black "brothers and sisters" (and neither do Sharpton, James, or any of those black pretenders). He was very chummy with Black Muslim Louis Farrakhan but he tried to hide that from the public. Farrakhan's philosophy was and is "Kill all whites", but Obama would kill them through political manipulation. He would make sure that non-blacks became second-class citizens in America.

Thus black racism replaced white racism, and the white politicians were too cowardly to call out Obama on this. In fact, Obama should have been impeached for treason, but managed to escape because of his skin color.

Since he was unable to finish what he started, he made sure he would remain in Washington, D.C. so that his criminal buddy Biden would finish the job through election fraud. Thus black racism is now OFFICIAL AMERICAN GOVERNMENT POLICY, and Critical Race Theory is bein pushed on everyone. See Biden's website for confirmation. Marxist BLM was a part of this conspiracy to undermine the USA and eventually put Marxist Democrats in office forever. This would allow Communism to replace freedom and democracy, and it is working quite nicely for the evildoers.

The bogus COVID pandemic was simply icing on the cake, and with mandatory vaccinations, we are seeing the end of a free America. The new slogan is "SLAVERY IS FREEDOM". 1984 has been established because the military has failed to arrest Biden and prosecute him for fraud and treason (along with a multitude of crimes and along with Hunter Biden). The Democrats are domestic enemies, yet nothing is being done to deal with these internal enemies. That is because the Republicans are cowards.
 

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They hate black people. This isn't a difficult concept to understand.
Tell that to my uncle
sorry I dont know all thse acronyms

if you have any involvement with them, just say so.

I dont know why they would say they are christian when they dont do any Christ-like things.
They aren't Christian. My uncle was involved in a Christian ministry called "operation shoestring" to help raise money for black churches that were bombed by the KKK and they bombed his house in the 60s in Jackson, MS.

That said I have not heard of any terror attacks by the KKK since the 70s, They have had marches, got into fights with counter protestors, but to my knowledge ANTIFA is far more active and violent today than the KKK is.
 

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Tell that to my uncle

They aren't Christian. My uncle was involved in a Christian ministry called "operation shoestring" to help raise money for black churches that were bombed by the KKK and they bombed his house in the 60s in Jackson, MS.

That said I have not heard of any terror attacks by the KKK since the 70s, They have had marches, got into fights with counter protestors, but to my knowledge ANTIFA is far more active and violent today than the KKK is.
I think the KKK is largely irrelevant anymore except for a few loonies who show up at parades and stuff
 

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The KKK may have been actively racist in the past, but it has been a very long time since they have had any impact on race relations or society in general.

The truth of the matter is that between 1964 and 2008 (when Obama took office) white racism in America was becoming less and less a factor in society. That is almost
50 years of progress. Indeed blacks had made tremendous gains in every occupation and business and race had become secondary.

However Barack Hussein Obama (a Black Communist and crypto-Muslim) made racial tensions a primary focus of his presidency to keep his influence on white society through white guilt. He did not actually give a hoot about his black "brothers and sisters" (and neither do Sharpton, James, or any of those black pretenders). He was very chummy with Black Muslim Louis Farrakhan but he tried to hide that from the public. Farrakhan's philosophy was and is "Kill all whites", but Obama would kill them through political manipulation. He would make sure that non-blacks became second-class citizens in America.

Thus black racism replaced white racism, and the white politicians were too cowardly to call out Obama on this. In fact, Obama should have been impeached for treason, but managed to escape because of his skin color.

Since he was unable to finish what he started, he made sure he would remain in Washington, D.C. so that his criminal buddy Biden would finish the job through election fraud. Thus black racism is now OFFICIAL AMERICAN GOVERNMENT POLICY, and Critical Race Theory is bein pushed on everyone. See Biden's website for confirmation. Marxist BLM was a part of this conspiracy to undermine the USA and eventually put Marxist Democrats in office forever. This would allow Communism to replace freedom and democracy, and it is working quite nicely for the evildoers.

The bogus COVID pandemic was simply icing on the cake, and with mandatory vaccinations, we are seeing the end of a free America. The new slogan is "SLAVERY IS FREEDOM". 1984 has been established because the military has failed to arrest Biden and prosecute him for fraud and treason (along with a multitude of crimes and along with Hunter Biden). The Democrats are domestic enemies, yet nothing is being done to deal with these internal enemies. That is because the Republicans are cowards.
I can't say I agree with all you said. I know that Obama failed in many ways.
Most issues are rooted in poverty. Address poverty, and most other issues disappear.
 

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I think poverty was exacerbated by the fact that legislation made it difficult for people to have a say, when they were barred from voting, getting a loan from a bank, owning property or just even renting a house.

slaves did not own property, and that was one thing that it used to be stopping you from voting, the same as women, cos it was always in the husbands name. When people were freed, they didnt have anywhere to go, and jobs were scarce...or you needed more education to do skilled jobs, but there werent enough schools, and even if you got into a school, the standard and quality of education was lower for blacks than it was for whites. when they integreated, it seemed the white people just moved and set up their own private schools. But it wasnt that the children didnt want it, it was their PARENTS being scared. Children really dont care about race or colour...they are innocent. They just pick up on their parents prejudices later.

Plus..,nobody ever mentions the GREY people ( when black and white people have babies) People seem presume that you would never marry outside your race or have relationships with anyone different from yourself. Which is just not true or even realistic.
 

Lanolin

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I cant imagine what it was like to be a slave, then you are free..so if you lived on a shack on a plantation and didnt want to work there anymore you could go but where would you go..you dont own any land and you dont have any money to buy any because people didnt pay slaves.

But if you tried to get a job it would take ages to save up to buy anywhere decent...and they were not just giving land away like they were at first or by ballot. And white folk wont be inclined to give you a job and pay when they never had to pay you before. And its not like returning to africa was even an option at that point.

Unlike in the Bible when the Hebrews were slaving under Pharoah, then they got too many so they egyotians were ordered to kill all the Hebrew babies (moses was spared) and then he led them out of Egypt. Not before the ten plagues though. They had to cross the Red sea....

I think while blacks in the North fare better without fear that the ku klux klan will come after them what about those that couldnt leave or stayed behind? Or has the KKK mentality just spread all across the US and morphed into something else?
 

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Tell that to my uncle

They aren't Christian. My uncle was involved in a Christian ministry called "operation shoestring" to help raise money for black churches that were bombed by the KKK and they bombed his house in the 60s in Jackson, MS.

That said I have not heard of any terror attacks by the KKK since the 70s, They have had marches, got into fights with counter protestors, but to my knowledge ANTIFA is far more active and violent today than the KKK is.
that dude is a buffoon he never heard of "Four Little girls " who were killed by a bomb while in a church by four members of a Ku Klux Klan
 
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I disagree,
I will explain to you why it is racist. And the African American population percentage of 13% means they are in decline from where they were at 17 % just less than five years ago.


IF you live in a poor community that has substandard education, health, and work opportunities, and when a young black girl becomes pregnant and the only solution the public school pushes along with the city programs is an abortion where the population is 13 % but make most of the abortion of any class of people in light of the Founding program created to reduce the population of Blacks HOW can you say it is not racist because white women are abused by the same program? it is economic racism, and socially racist.

Welfare was created to get black women dependent on the Government and they also like when whites do that too.

The Government was so willing to help women as LONG AS NO FATHER WAS IN THE HOME. That is racist.
There is no free will once you are addicted or in bondage to the culture that is swayed to only one solution.
Free will is still available in dire straits. You do not have to choose a poison pill if you have to do it to get fed. You can choose NO. And the same regarding a baby in the womb. It includes early abortion, which is a literal poison pill. It is not racism, when it is universal rights and benefits. The intent of the programs/benefits may be racist though. But in order to judge that, we must know the heart of the ones who pushed them and implemented them. And have not remedied them since they hurt folks
 

CS1

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Free will is still available in dire straits. You do not have to choose a poison pill if you have to do it to get fed. You can choose NO. And the same regarding a baby in the womb. It includes early abortion, which is a literal poison pill. It is not racism, when it is universal rights and benefits. The intent of the programs/benefits may be racist though. But in order to judge that, we must know the heart of the ones who pushed them and implemented them. And have not remedied them since they hurt folks

That is a lie abortion has been sold and a right of the women but you are failing to see the origin of the program. IF something starts out as sin and evil when did it become good? WE know the heart of the one who created Planned Parent Hood, she was racist.

the very program has stayed true to its founding. Get real history and not some revisionist talking point. the first Biblical murder was done by a brother on his own brother. That was a form of racism because of hate.
 
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That is a lie abortion has been sold and a right of the women but you are failing to see the origin of the program. IF something starts out as sin and evil when did it become good? WE know the heart of the one who created Planned Parent Hood, she was racist.

the very program has stayed true to its founding. Get real history and not some revisionist talking point. the first Biblical murder was done by a brother on his own brother. That was a form of racism because of hate.
Do not strawman me, does not work. I did not say that abortion was good, it is a grave sin in fact. An abomination. I agreed on the origin of the program, and how it was started by a genocidal racist. Your point was about racism, regarding PP, not if abortion was moral or not. Now the question is the hearts of the ones running PP over the years, and if the continued expansions in the black hoods are racist or not.
 

CS1

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Do not strawman me, does not work. I did not say that abortion was good, it is a grave sin in fact. An abomination. I agreed on the origin of the program, and how it was started by a genocidal racist. Your point was about racism, regarding PP, not if abortion was moral or not. Now the question is the hearts of the ones running PP over the years, and if the continued expansions in the black hoods are racist or not.

I did not say you have now did I? IF you agree that is I was and is created for the purpose of genocidal( murder) reason and racist and the origin of PPH rotted in racism you mean to tell me because we do not know the heart of those in PPH who are currently working there if they are racist? Because their motives could be to help women?

BY that standard I Guess the KKK is just trying to help people too. I'm sure God will wink at the persons working at PPH who assist in abortions because their hearts meant well.


"Your point was about racism, regarding PP, not if abortion was moral or not. Now the question is the hearts of the ones running PP over the years, and if the continued expansions in the black hoods are racist or not"

Do I even have to mention abortion is not moral on Christian sites? And those running PPH who support this program is not Christ-like .

You say continued expansion in the Black Communities if they are racist or not when the origin of it was and has always been so.


PPH is racist. it violates the word of God and murders BABIES, the fact that 61 million have been done with less than a percentage for the reason of

life of the mother, birth defects, and rape.
 
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I did not say you have now did I? IF you agree that is I was and is created for the purpose of genocidal( murder) reason and racist and the origin of PPH rotted in racism you mean to tell me because we do not know the heart of those in PPH who are currently working there if they are racist? Because their motives could be to help women?

BY that standard I Guess the KKK is just trying to help people too. I'm sure God will wink at the persons working at PPH who assist in abortions because their hearts meant well.


"Your point was about racism, regarding PP, not if abortion was moral or not. Now the question is the hearts of the ones running PP over the years, and if the continued expansions in the black hoods are racist or not"

Do I even have to mention abortion is not moral on Christian sites? And those running PPH who support this program is not Christ-like .

You say continued expansion in the Black Communities if they are racist or not when the origin of it was and has always been so.


PPH is racist. it violates the word of God and murders BABIES, the fact that 61 million have been done with less than a percentage for the reason of

life of the mother, birth defects, and rape.
I never said abortion could be good, as you implied. Had I not replied to that, people would think I was in favour of one of the worst sinss there is. Drop the H in PPH, so folks know that you mean PP. Yes, people are often misguided, so some who works for PP may think they do good. Thee KKK is no more, and they were also misguided, some of them thought they did good.

No, you do not have to mention that abortion is wrong, but your point changed over the comments, and you brought in the thing about if abortion could be changed to good when it was started in evil. I was not conversating with you on the morality, we did the intent, and agenda of the people behind PP. And if it was racist, remember?
 

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I never said abortion could be good, as you implied. Had I not replied to that, people would think I was in favour of one of the worst sinss there is. Drop the H in PPH, so folks know that you mean PP. Yes, people are often misguided, so some who works for PP may think they do good. Thee KKK is no more, and they were also misguided, some of them thought they did good.

No, you do not have to mention that abortion is wrong, but your point changed over the comments, and you brought in the thing about if abortion could be changed to good when it was started in evil. I was not conversating with you on the morality, we did the intent, and agenda of the people behind PP. And if it was racist, remember?
people fully know what I mean with PPH thank you. If they are reading what I have said they know what I am saying thank you.
and no I did not.

I said :

" IF something starts out as sin and evil when did it become good? "

And PP is racist because it is true to its founding. I M NOT DEFENDING THE PP, but someone is.

there are many who are deceived by KKK, CRT, BLM, etc.. the difference is the letters. IF they are not awakened in their deception and come to the Lord they will be lost.

You cannot be a Christian and support abortion Biblically.

to justify those who work there because they have a good heart or good intentions That righteousness doesn't impress God.
 

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I live in Arkansas, and there is a town somewhere here that is notoriously and openly racist. It was infamous for their welcome sign 30 years ago saying "Don't let the sunset on your back here, N*****"

That said, I would be hard-pressed to believe that today that there are any lynchings or secret killings going on there today, especially with all the anti-racism whatever going on now. I heard one time from an old lady that there is a KKK group somewhere around here, but I haven't seen a trace of them or heard about it since. As a brown girl, I can honestly say I feel very accepted and safe in my community. If there is a KKK, they aren't like they were and I feel no reason to be afraid of them.
 
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people fully know what I mean with PPH thank you. If they are reading what I have said they know what I am saying thank you.
and no I did not.

I said :

" IF something starts out as sin and evil when did it become good? "

And PP is racist because it is true to its founding. I M NOT DEFENDING THE PP, but someone is.

there are many who are deceived by KKK, CRT, BLM, etc.. the difference is the letters. IF they are not awakened in their deception and come to the Lord they will be lost.

You cannot be a Christian and support abortion Biblically.

to justify those who work there because they have a good heart or good intentions That righteousness doesn't impress God.
I did not defend the children of the lie who works at abortionclinics. I explained to you, that some are just clueless and misguided. Minds do evolve, when the heart is touched or something like that
 

CS1

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I did not defend the children of the lie who works at abortionclinics. I explained to you, that some are just clueless and misguided. Minds do evolve, when the heart is touched or something like that
Ok, you said that PP is not racist I gave you very clear facts and truths of the founder who was racist. You provided what seems to be a concession of this due to ignorance. There was a Nurse of the PP who spoke to Congress and the Senate of the evil of this program. In addition, a doctor also spoke who graphicly explained the grotesque procedures of abortion.


 
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Ok, you said that PP is not racist I gave you very clear facts and truths of the founder who was racist. You provided what seems to be a concession of this due to ignorance. There was a Nurse of the PP who spoke to Congress and the Senate of the evil of this program. In addition, a doctor also spoke who graphicly explained the grotesque procedures of abortion.


I am not adressing your strawmen and false assumptions anymore. I have conceeded nothing. And do not give you a lengthy answer to rectify your strawman, because that would border on pride. A deadly sin as we know. Not doing it. I have watched many of the PP testimonies from both sides, I am awere, and do not need to be convinced of anything. I do not watch sad news, stop trying to create fights with those who agree in principle.
 

CS1

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I am not adressing your strawmen and false assumptions anymore. I have conceeded nothing. And do not give you a lengthy answer to rectify your strawman, because that would border on pride. A deadly sin as we know. Not doing it. I have watched many of the PP testimonies from both sides, I am aware, and do not need to be convinced of anything. I do not watch sad news, stop trying to create fights with those who agree in principle.
I have proved it is not :) I am not asking you to concede I care less if you do. I am very certain many here are very much informed and will seek of what I said is true :).

  1. You did not address the facts and truth I provided about Margaret Sanger the founder of PP and a key know speaker of the KKK.
you chose to deflect and suggest I am " trying to create fights with those who agree in principle.".

Not at all. Do you support the DNC? Do you support PP? If your answer is no, then what are you even talking about? The PP is racist from its founding and the founder was a white woman who created the program to reduce the population of Blacks in the 1920s Well documented. FYI that is a racist program by definition.

You think PP is a good program today because the origin is no longer the reason why Abortions happen today. I proved that thinking wrong!. So now you want to create a victim mentality from the truth I have said.

PP started out looking to kill black people Period. They are a demonic murdering entity that has stayed true to its founder. IF you disagree then I leave you to it.
 
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