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The idea that a certain political persuasion is equivalent with Christianity is idolatry, plain and simple. If you are so staunchly attached to a political ideal that you think those of a different POLITICAL thinking are not right with God, you have replaced politics for God. Good grief, who wants politics to be their god??? I think the problem comes in trying to assign catch all "labels" to groups of people. That makes it easier to write them off or make snap decisions about them without having to get to know them or use discernment. That's just lazy, in my opinion.
I mean, honestly? Liberals and Conservatives = Sadducees and Pharisees. Jesus irritated both of them.
I mean, honestly? Liberals and Conservatives = Sadducees and Pharisees. Jesus irritated both of them.
Society convinces people that being free is doing what you like, we know that is not freedom, that is bondage to the world. You only see that once you are set free from it.
God knows best.
Liberal or conservative is not needed in front of the name Christian. You either are, or you are not.
God knows best.
Liberal or conservative is not needed in front of the name Christian. You either are, or you are not.
I don't think anyone is saying liberalism or conservatism is Christianity. The truth of God supersedes and transcends any temporal construct.
The question then is which political point of view branches more solidly from that central truth? Which better reflects the scope of the Christian worldview? The answer, I would argue, is conservatism (speaking from the post WWII American POV).
Young Evangelicals leaving church, going liberal, new book says
by Joel McDurmon on Dec 22, 2011
CNN opines on the new book by Barna Group president, David Kinnaman, which addresses why young Evangelicals are rapidly leaving church never to return. Their departure from congregations parallels their departure from Evangelical values:
Seven in 10 millennials say sex between an unmarried man and woman is morally acceptable (PDF). (According to Kinnaman, young Christians are as sexually active as non-Christians.)
• Most women in their early 20s who give birth are unmarried.
• More than six in 10 millennials (including 49% of Republican millennials) support same-sex marriages.
• Six in 10 millennials say abortion should be legal (PDF), a higher proportion than found in the general population. A higher percentage say abortion services should be available in local communities.
Millennials also part ways with conservative orthodoxy on wealth distribution and caring for the environment. According to a report in The Christian Science Monitor, three out of four say that wealthy corporations and financiers have too much power and that taxes should be raised on the very wealthy, and two out of three say financial institutions should be regulated more closely. In addition, most say that creationists’ view on evolution is outdated.
The editorialist, Laura Stepp, adds, “Sounds a lot like Democratic ideology to me.” She’s right about that, although her answer to the question “why?” is oversimplified:
These young dropouts value the sense of community their churches provide but are tired of being told how they should live their lives. They don’t appreciate being condemned for living with a partner, straight or gay, outside of marriage or opting for abortion to terminate an unplanned pregnancy.
It’s more than that. It involves an entire culture of indoctrination about worldview, including sexual mores (and notice, all of the bullet-points above are about sex), that begins early in public school, and explodes into manifestation when a child is given freedom from parental supervision for the first time at college. Stepp’s anecdote reveals this clearly:
Brittany, a 24-year-old veterinary technician, is an example of the newly disaffected. In high school, she attended a conservative Episcopal church in northern Virginia. She enrolled in college thinking of herself as a conservative and not wanting to have sex until she was married. Her views changed when she met her boyfriend. She began to question the theology of her home church on a number of social issues.
The story might as well have said, “Brittany said she believed in biblical values until she got alone with her boyfriend for the first time, got passionately aroused, had no accountability, and had sex. Then she needed a new values system to justify her desire to continue premarital sex and help her not feel guilty.”
There is much more to this story, of course, but liberal indoctrination that begins in childhood is a huge element. Public schooling was designed very early to disaffect children from their parents’ religion. As Charles Francis Potter famously wrote already in 1930:
Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism, and every American school is a school of humanism. What can a theistic Sunday school’s meeting for an hour once a week and teaching only a fraction of the children do to stem the tide of the five-day program of humanistic teaching?
By the time they arrive at college, these kids may still be members of the church, fans of Tim Tebo, and even quoting Bible verses on the surface, but inside they’ve already been converted to “Democratic ideology”—because their parents entrusted the vast majority of their development to liberals long ago.
Young Evangelicals leaving church, going liberal, new book says|American Vision News
by Joel McDurmon on Dec 22, 2011
CNN opines on the new book by Barna Group president, David Kinnaman, which addresses why young Evangelicals are rapidly leaving church never to return. Their departure from congregations parallels their departure from Evangelical values:
Seven in 10 millennials say sex between an unmarried man and woman is morally acceptable (PDF). (According to Kinnaman, young Christians are as sexually active as non-Christians.)
• Most women in their early 20s who give birth are unmarried.
• More than six in 10 millennials (including 49% of Republican millennials) support same-sex marriages.
• Six in 10 millennials say abortion should be legal (PDF), a higher proportion than found in the general population. A higher percentage say abortion services should be available in local communities.
Millennials also part ways with conservative orthodoxy on wealth distribution and caring for the environment. According to a report in The Christian Science Monitor, three out of four say that wealthy corporations and financiers have too much power and that taxes should be raised on the very wealthy, and two out of three say financial institutions should be regulated more closely. In addition, most say that creationists’ view on evolution is outdated.
The editorialist, Laura Stepp, adds, “Sounds a lot like Democratic ideology to me.” She’s right about that, although her answer to the question “why?” is oversimplified:
These young dropouts value the sense of community their churches provide but are tired of being told how they should live their lives. They don’t appreciate being condemned for living with a partner, straight or gay, outside of marriage or opting for abortion to terminate an unplanned pregnancy.
It’s more than that. It involves an entire culture of indoctrination about worldview, including sexual mores (and notice, all of the bullet-points above are about sex), that begins early in public school, and explodes into manifestation when a child is given freedom from parental supervision for the first time at college. Stepp’s anecdote reveals this clearly:
Brittany, a 24-year-old veterinary technician, is an example of the newly disaffected. In high school, she attended a conservative Episcopal church in northern Virginia. She enrolled in college thinking of herself as a conservative and not wanting to have sex until she was married. Her views changed when she met her boyfriend. She began to question the theology of her home church on a number of social issues.
The story might as well have said, “Brittany said she believed in biblical values until she got alone with her boyfriend for the first time, got passionately aroused, had no accountability, and had sex. Then she needed a new values system to justify her desire to continue premarital sex and help her not feel guilty.”
There is much more to this story, of course, but liberal indoctrination that begins in childhood is a huge element. Public schooling was designed very early to disaffect children from their parents’ religion. As Charles Francis Potter famously wrote already in 1930:
Education is thus a most powerful ally of humanism, and every American school is a school of humanism. What can a theistic Sunday school’s meeting for an hour once a week and teaching only a fraction of the children do to stem the tide of the five-day program of humanistic teaching?
By the time they arrive at college, these kids may still be members of the church, fans of Tim Tebo, and even quoting Bible verses on the surface, but inside they’ve already been converted to “Democratic ideology”—because their parents entrusted the vast majority of their development to liberals long ago.
Young Evangelicals leaving church, going liberal, new book says|American Vision News
I just saw this movie for the first time a few days ago! I'm loving your ability to use obscure references!
Jesus would agree with welfare and socialism. Helping people is of huge emphasis in the synoptic gospels, arguably the only 3 books of the New Testament that Jesus would have had a hand in. The "conservatives" in America today are nothing but hypocrites who want the government out of corrupt big business and lobbying, but only if it helps their causes. If it has anything to do with environmentalism, abortion, marriage equality or anything "unchristian" like that, they hate it and call it liberal propaganda. They do nothing to help the poor or downtrodden.
Do you know about the roots and history of socialism (and it's view on christendom)? And why and in what way would socialism be the proper way to help people? Can you name any now existing or former socialist country were people were really helped rather than repressed and enslaved? Food for thought.
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And these human evils seen in socialism is because the theory is evil.
But what you are saying is: no matter how many tenths of millions the socialists have murdered, give them a new chance?
And the literal millions Christians and Catholics have murdered? Is Christianity evil now too?
You're clearly not understanding what I'm saying. Don't debate what you're not comprehending.
That is not relevant nor can it be compared. Christianity is a religion, not a political philosophy or ideology. Not all christians have done wrong what some catholics have done wrong.
You obviously don't know the first thing about what socialism is. Yet you advocate it. Your ignorance leads you to justify the wicked, with all that comes with it.
I'm not advocating socialism, I'm an American. I'm VERY pro-capitalist. But in all honesty, I don't think Jesus would be big on capitalism. You clearly do not understand that socialism as an ideology has nothing to do with the evils that countries that have them have done.
Look at Sweden and France. They consider themselves largely socialist countries and they're two of the happiest and most peaceful places on Earth, with very few human rights violations.
also, you're very wrong. At least in the States, Christianity has become a political ideology. Many people vote solely on social issues, attempting to push a twisted conservative bastardized version of the Christian/Muslim/Jewish faiths onto the rest of the population.
You are sure most confused, then. If you are pro-capitalist then why should you promote socialism. Sweden and France are not socialist per definition, but could maybe be called social-democratic or social liberal. They are very secular countries with high abortion and divorce rates, they have pro-GLBT laws and are soft on criminals, letting their territories to be flooded by just about anyone who cares to settle there etc. Only ungodly souls are "happy" with that. Call this chaos whatever you like, christian it is not.
Oh, you're one of THOSE. That think religion should dictate law. Well, bye, intelligent conversation.
Sorry, in America we have a Constitution that says we can't let religion control law. I'm a Christian but also a Democrat. I'm pro-choice, pro-marriage equality and I think what's "destroying the institution of marriage" isn't gay marriage, but idiots who use marriage as a way to "get closer to God" or as a way to be more "grown up."
Religion does not have to dictate law. However most countries that had a strong presence of christianity more or less based their laws and ethics on the law of God. This for the good of these countries. Secularism has been a change for the bad.
Anyway, you are obviously justifying the wicked big time so there's nothing more I will say to you than good riddance.
Yes, because when the West was stoning witches and burning homosexuals on spikes, THAT was for the good?