Hi again Gary-
I am truly sorry that you feel misrepresented. I have not misquoted you, so I am not sure why you feel that way.
I do not think further discussion on the matter would be fruitful, our communication styles are too different.
Hopefully we can both agree that Godly marriage is honorable, and that being a full-time wife and mother is an honorable job if a woman is so called.
Best!
Of course, you misunderstood what I wrote. I believe that you
still have not yet realized that I
ceased talking about
unmarried women back at the end of post #68 - with the use of the word 'retract'; albeit, post #69 was/is meant to be a more concise summation for the sake of clarity.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Afterward, I only touched on specific things you asked specific questions about.
Yet, you kept going
on and on and on and on about the remark that I
retracted as being in any absolute "thus saith the lord" sense.
You asked for Bible verses. And, just as soon as I give you a few verses (with regard to
married women), you [apparently] decide that no good discussion can come from an examination of what God says in His word...???
Hmmm - why is that???
Well, let us review it again - I looked up some Strong's definitions - consider this:
Titus 2:
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
~ to be sober (4994)
~ to love their husbands (5362)
~ to love their children (5388)
~ to be discreet (4998)
~ [to be] chaste (53)
~ [to be] keepers at home (3626)
~ [to be] good (18)
~ [to be] obedient (5293) to their own husbands
~ that the word of God be not blasphemed (987)
Strong's definitions:
4994 - sophronizo; from 4998; to make of sound mind, i.e. (fig.) to discipline or correct:-teach to be sober.
5362 - philandros; from 5384 and 435; fond of man, i.e. affectionate as a wife:-love their husbands.
5388 - philoteknos; from 5384 and 5043; fond of one's children, i.e. maternal:-love their children.
4998 - sophron; from the base of 4982 and that of 5424; safe (sound) in mind, i.e. self-controlled (moderate as to opinion or passion):-discreet, sober, temporate.
53 - hagnos; from the same as 40; prop. clean, i.e. (fig.) innocent, modest, perfect:-chaste, clean, pure.
3626 - oikouros; from 3624; and ouros (a guard; be "ware"); a stayer at home, i.e. domestically inclined (a "good housekeeper"):-keeper at home.
18 - agathos; a prim. word; "good" (in any sense, often as noun):-benefit, good (-s, things), well. Comp. 2570
5293 - hupotasso; from 5259 and 5021; to subordinate; reflex. to obey:-be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
987 - blasphemeo; from 989; to vilify; spec. to speak impiously:- (speak) blaspheme (-er, -mously, -my), defame, rail on, revile, speak evil.
Do you understand why that last phrase is at the end of verse 5?
It has to do with the "authority structure" that God set forth for mankind - men, women, and children -
to accept and follow. And, it 'blasphemes' the word of God if we
defy that authority structure. God has a reason for setting things up the way He did - and, that is the way He wants it - period.
A
good wife knows how - and, endeavors always-and-continually - not only to minimize but to
prevent chaos and stress in a home.
Because, no man wants a woman in his home that will precipitate or provoke chaos and stress - it is simply not worth it on any level.
A
good wife
never undermines her husbands authority as head of the household. She
supports him
in every way to
succeed in his vision for the protection, well-being, development, and encouragement of his family.
(And, if he is a wise man, he will do his best to incorporate his wife's vision - because, he values it for her sake - into his vision -
according to what he believes and decides is realistic and proper for his family.)
You probably think that I am somehow "against" women - but,
don't even think it! That is not the case at all. A
good wife is a husband's
treasure. And, a
good husband will treat her
wonderfully every day of her life. However,
I also know that the only way it really actually works is if each of them sincerely and seriously strives to perform the role that God set forth for them.
I "applaud" the young woman in the video for knowing and understanding the
proper Christian attitude and approach to being a wife. What she says in that video is a modern-day
application of the
relative principles found in the Bible concerning being a good wife in a good marriage.
And - I applaud her "with highest honor" for saying what she says without also feeling like she [just] has to give the "obligatory neutralizing rundown" of the husbands responsibilities in the marriage. (Because, it is
understood that he also has a role - and that, it is a perfectly valid separate conversation that may also be had on-its-own as well.) In other words, she has the courage to speak about the role of the wife with realism and acceptance - without fear - without comparison - boldly saying "what is" concerning the proper role of a wife.
She understands the blessing of God that comes from the "cheerful willingness" and "deliberate endeavor"
to do things His way.
Like I said before:
It behooves us all to consider wisely each-every-and-all part(s) of His truth - accept it - believe it - live it - preach it - uphold it - not fight it.
Something else - remember that "give you a shot" comment you made? Well, if a woman does not have a firmly-established deep-rooted attitude and approach to marriage like what the young woman in the video illustrates -
I am not interested in her in the slightest...
"Food for thought..."