logic and Reason Alone Can Prove Beliefs Inaccurate

[EmethAlethia]

Who knew? I didn't.

There are about 50 places I could find where Jesus refuted incorrect beliefs, practices, doctrines, ... and from what I can see, Jesus expects true Christians to evaluate every belief based on whether or not the belief makes complete logical, reasonable rational sense IN EVERY CASE. That said, whenever those with opposing doctrines and beliefs missed a biblical situation, verse or passage that applies to the topic. Jesus also brings those up as well, (Along with a call to use logic and reason and think all the ramifications of their beliefs through and then rethink the ones that do not make sense.

Here are the passages I found. Please let me know if I missed any of the interactions of Jesus with those whose beliefs were off.

Mat. 9:1-7, 10-13, 14-17, 11:15-20, 12:1-8, 10-14, 22-32, 33-37, 15:2-9, 21:23-27, 22:16-21, 41-46, Mar. 2:7-12, 16-17, 18-22, 24-28, 3:1-5, 22-30, 11:29-33, 12:14-17, 26-27, 35-37, Luk. 5:30-32, 33-35, 36-39, 6:1-5, 6-11, 39, 40, 41-42, 43-45, 46-49, 7:36-50, 44-50, 11:17-23, 38-44, 46-52, 13:14-16, 14:2-5, 8-11, 15:2-7, 8-10, 11-32, 16:13, 20:2-8, 22-25, 37-38, 41-44, Joh. 7:21-24, 8:7​

This said, the religious lost were unwilling to reconsider their beliefs based on Jesus questioning how they didn't make sense. If we also reject the testing of our beliefs based solely on logic and reason, i.e. do they make sense, are any of the ramifications of a belief ludicrous, contrary to the stated character of God, ... are we in the same exact position the religious lost were in when Jesus stated this was enough to prove their beliefs inaccurate? If we take this position, are we not saying Jesus' opposition should have rejected His points and reasoning as superfluous and laughable?

Not only these things, but if we hold to Jesus reasoning, what does it do when we think various popular doctrines and beliefs through? What does this say about our modern hermeneutical teachings? Should most of them be greatly revised in the light of Jesus standard practices for determining correct beliefs?

Think it through. What are the ramifications for pre-trib, mid-trib and post tribulation rapture? How about water baptism as a requirement for salvation? Calvinism?

What opinions do you have on the validity of reconsidering beliefs solely based on whether or not they make complete sense when all the ramifications of them are considered?

What beliefs do you "believe" fall short of truth when Jesus methodology is applied, and why do you suggest they fail the logic, reason, "Does that make any sense", test?

I'm looking forward to the discussion, and thanks for your input.

 

[Gideon300]

Who knew? I didn't.

There are about 50 places I could find where Jesus refuted incorrect beliefs, practices, doctrines, ... and from what I can see, Jesus expects true Christians to evaluate every belief based on whether or not the belief makes complete logical, reasonable rational sense IN EVERY CASE. That said, whenever those with opposing doctrines and beliefs missed a biblical situation, verse or passage that applies to the topic. Jesus also brings those up as well, (Along with a call to use logic and reason and think all the ramifications of their beliefs through and then rethink the ones that do not make sense.

Here are the passages I found. Please let me know if I missed any of the interactions of Jesus with those whose beliefs were off.

Mat. 9:1-7, 10-13, 14-17, 11:15-20, 12:1-8, 10-14, 22-32, 33-37, 15:2-9, 21:23-27, 22:16-21, 41-46, Mar. 2:7-12, 16-17, 18-22, 24-28, 3:1-5, 22-30, 11:29-33, 12:14-17, 26-27, 35-37, Luk. 5:30-32, 33-35, 36-39, 6:1-5, 6-11, 39, 40, 41-42, 43-45, 46-49, 7:36-50, 44-50, 11:17-23, 38-44, 46-52, 13:14-16, 14:2-5, 8-11, 15:2-7, 8-10, 11-32, 16:13, 20:2-8, 22-25, 37-38, 41-44, Joh. 7:21-24, 8:7​

This said, the religious lost were unwilling to reconsider their beliefs based on Jesus questioning how they didn't make sense. If we also reject the testing of our beliefs based solely on logic and reason, i.e. do they make sense, are any of the ramifications of a belief ludicrous, contrary to the stated character of God, ... are we in the same exact position the religious lost were in when Jesus stated this was enough to prove their beliefs inaccurate? If we take this position, are we not saying Jesus' opposition should have rejected His points and reasoning as superfluous and laughable?

Not only these things, but if we hold to Jesus reasoning, what does it do when we think various popular doctrines and beliefs through? What does this say about our modern hermeneutical teachings? Should most of them be greatly revised in the light of Jesus standard practices for determining correct beliefs?

Think it through. What are the ramifications for pre-trib, mid-trib and post tribulation rapture? How about water baptism as a requirement for salvation? Calvinism?

What opinions do you have on the validity of reconsidering beliefs solely based on whether or not they make complete sense when all the ramifications of them are considered?

What beliefs do you "believe" fall short of truth when Jesus methodology is applied, and why do you suggest they fail the logic, reason, "Does that make any sense", test?

I'm looking forward to the discussion, and thanks for your input.

Hmmm, logic and reason say that it is impossible for the dead to be raised and limbs to grow back. Logic and reason are good servants but bad masters. There is a reason why the Holy Spirit is given to lead us into all truth. Logic and reason are inadequate to know the things of God.

The Pharisees used logic and reason. They argued that only God had the authority to forgive sins. It's easy in hindsight to understand who Jesus is and why he could claim such authority. But it was not logic and reason that gave us that understanding.

I am an intellectual. That is not a boast. It has often been a hindrance rather than a help. Spiritual things are spiritually understood

"And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The natural man (reason and logic - my words) does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:13 & 14

 

[Dino246]

Hmmm, logic and reason say that it is impossible for the dead to be raised and limbs to grow back.

Actually, they don't. As most people do, you're confusing popular secular beliefs with logic and reasoning. When they are properly grounded in God's established characteristics as Creator, logic and reason say that raising the dead and restoring limbs are both logical and reasonable.

Logic and reason are inadequate to know the things of God.

Agreed; they are tools for assessing information, but not for acquiring information (or revelation). For that, we need God's word and God's Spirit.

The Pharisees used logic and reason. They argued that only God had the authority to forgive sins.

Correctly. What they missed is that Jesus is God. They misunderstood the word of God that they had, having put it into tight little boxes that excluded the Spirit's revelation.

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

Who knew? I didn't.

There are about 50 places I could find where Jesus refuted incorrect beliefs, practices, doctrines, ... and from what I can see, Jesus expects true Christians to evaluate every belief based on whether or not the belief makes complete logical, reasonable rational sense IN EVERY CASE. That said, whenever those with opposing doctrines and beliefs missed a biblical situation, verse or passage that applies to the topic. Jesus also brings those up as well, (Along with a call to use logic and reason and think all the ramifications of their beliefs through and then rethink the ones that do not make sense.

Here are the passages I found. Please let me know if I missed any of the interactions of Jesus with those whose beliefs were off.

Mat. 9:1-7, 10-13, 14-17, 11:15-20, 12:1-8, 10-14, 22-32, 33-37, 15:2-9, 21:23-27, 22:16-21, 41-46, Mar. 2:7-12, 16-17, 18-22, 24-28, 3:1-5, 22-30, 11:29-33, 12:14-17, 26-27, 35-37, Luk. 5:30-32, 33-35, 36-39, 6:1-5, 6-11, 39, 40, 41-42, 43-45, 46-49, 7:36-50, 44-50, 11:17-23, 38-44, 46-52, 13:14-16, 14:2-5, 8-11, 15:2-7, 8-10, 11-32, 16:13, 20:2-8, 22-25, 37-38, 41-44, Joh. 7:21-24, 8:7​

This said, the religious lost were unwilling to reconsider their beliefs based on Jesus questioning how they didn't make sense. If we also reject the testing of our beliefs based solely on logic and reason, i.e. do they make sense, are any of the ramifications of a belief ludicrous, contrary to the stated character of God, ... are we in the same exact position the religious lost were in when Jesus stated this was enough to prove their beliefs inaccurate? If we take this position, are we not saying Jesus' opposition should have rejected His points and reasoning as superfluous and laughable?

Not only these things, but if we hold to Jesus reasoning, what does it do when we think various popular doctrines and beliefs through? What does this say about our modern hermeneutical teachings? Should most of them be greatly revised in the light of Jesus standard practices for determining correct beliefs?

Think it through. What are the ramifications for pre-trib, mid-trib and post tribulation rapture? How about water baptism as a requirement for salvation? Calvinism?

What opinions do you have on the validity of reconsidering beliefs solely based on whether or not they make complete sense when all the ramifications of them are considered?

What beliefs do you "believe" fall short of truth when Jesus methodology is applied, and why do you suggest they fail the logic, reason, "Does that make any sense", test?

I'm looking forward to the discussion, and thanks for your input.

If you think about it,nothing about the faith is logical. Not to mention it puts a supreme lone creator in a bad light for having all the human emotions that lead us to sin.

 

[Blade]

Thanks... I would look at just who Christ was talking to. They all lived by the law. There were no Christians no Church. We understand and not being funny but we know Christ is real right? He or should be more real the any flesh and blood. We have the sweet sweet holy Spirit that leads and guides us and shows us things to come. So many doctrines don't touch salvation nor Christ who came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin and was buried and rose the 3rd day the only way to the Father.

Man I would be mess up if I went by 'logic and reason". We walk by faith we live by faith. Yes its wise to read study yet what HE started in us He will finish. So for me its faith and the leading of the Holy Spirit over human logic and reasoning.

 

[notmywillbuthine]

What opinions do you have on the validity of reconsidering beliefs solely based on whether or not they make complete sense when all the ramifications of them are considered?

What beliefs do you "believe" fall short of truth when Jesus methodology is applied, and why do you suggest they fail the logic, reason, "Does that make any sense", test?

I had a long-held belief of mine challenged just a few days ago as I was reading 1st Corinthians. I had always heard that when Paul said "for it is better to marry than to burn," he was talking about burning with passion or lust. Although that is a possibility because Paul applied a figurative meaning to the word "burn" elsewhere, Paul could have also meant it in a literal sense, as in burning in hell. Which application makes more sense? Was Paul telling people who were driven by lust that it was better for them to marry than to burn with lust? What are the ramifications of that belief? Using a man as an example, if he was driven by lust, would Paul encourage him to marry a woman, or would he encourage him to bring his own body in subjection, even as Paul brought his own body in subjection? What of the woman in such a marital relationship? Would she not be subject to being treated as an object of carnal desire? How would that affect her psyche and her overall well-being? Would such a relationship glorify Christ and his church, which is what Paul said marriage exemplifies? In that letter, Paul said that fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of God or that they will wind up in hell if they do not repent. I am now considering that this is the type of "burning" that Paul was referring to. IOW, if they could not answer the call to a single life that Paul answered, then they should marry and not fornicate lest they burn in hell.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

What opinions do you have on the validity of reconsidering beliefs solely based on whether or not they make complete sense when all the ramifications of them are considered?

It's best not to 2nd guess the Bible. How often do we hear someone say: God wouldn't do this or God wouldn't do that... Isaiah 55:8-9. Study His Word and spend plenty of time in prayer. Don't let your sense of sense get in the way of the Truth.

 

[GWH]

Who knew? I didn't.

There are about 50 places I could find where Jesus refuted incorrect beliefs, practices, doctrines, ... and from what I can see, Jesus expects true Christians to evaluate every belief based on whether or not the belief makes complete logical, reasonable rational sense IN EVERY CASE. That said, whenever those with opposing doctrines and beliefs missed a biblical situation, verse or passage that applies to the topic. Jesus also brings those up as well, (Along with a call to use logic and reason and think all the ramifications of their beliefs through and then rethink the ones that do not make sense.

Here are the passages I found. Please let me know if I missed any of the interactions of Jesus with those whose beliefs were off.

Mat. 9:1-7, 10-13, 14-17, 11:15-20, 12:1-8, 10-14, 22-32, 33-37, 15:2-9, 21:23-27, 22:16-21, 41-46, Mar. 2:7-12, 16-17, 18-22, 24-28, 3:1-5, 22-30, 11:29-33, 12:14-17, 26-27, 35-37, Luk. 5:30-32, 33-35, 36-39, 6:1-5, 6-11, 39, 40, 41-42, 43-45, 46-49, 7:36-50, 44-50, 11:17-23, 38-44, 46-52, 13:14-16, 14:2-5, 8-11, 15:2-7, 8-10, 11-32, 16:13, 20:2-8, 22-25, 37-38, 41-44, Joh. 7:21-24, 8:7​

This said, the religious lost were unwilling to reconsider their beliefs based on Jesus questioning how they didn't make sense. If we also reject the testing of our beliefs based solely on logic and reason, i.e. do they make sense, are any of the ramifications of a belief ludicrous, contrary to the stated character of God, ... are we in the same exact position the religious lost were in when Jesus stated this was enough to prove their beliefs inaccurate? If we take this position, are we not saying Jesus' opposition should have rejected His points and reasoning as superfluous and laughable?

Not only these things, but if we hold to Jesus reasoning, what does it do when we think various popular doctrines and beliefs through? What does this say about our modern hermeneutical teachings? Should most of them be greatly revised in the light of Jesus standard practices for determining correct beliefs?

Think it through. What are the ramifications for pre-trib, mid-trib and post tribulation rapture? How about water baptism as a requirement for salvation? Calvinism?

What opinions do you have on the validity of reconsidering beliefs solely based on whether or not they make complete sense when all the ramifications of them are considered?

What beliefs do you "believe" fall short of truth when Jesus methodology is applied, and why do you suggest they fail the logic, reason, "Does that make any sense", test?

I'm looking forward to the discussion, and thanks for your input.

While I would not say “alone”, I do think logic is a gift from the Logos and I look forward to discussing more with you when I get back to my laptop instead of using the phone.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

logic and Reason Alone Can Prove Beliefs Inaccurate

That depends on which PARADIGM you private "logic" is based on.

 

[GWH]

While I would not say “alone”, I do think logic is a gift from the Logos and I look forward to discussing more with you when I get back to my laptop instead of using the phone.

Okay, now that I am back home, here is part of how I employ logic in my hermeneutic or understanding of Scripture:

I emphasize logic/reason without intending to demean emotion. Both are important aspects of personality, but their relationship is analogous to that of saving faith and works: faith precedes love (per Gal. 5:6), and right reasoning should guide one’s emotion. Right reasoning or logic functions in a way similar to the OT law: leading sinful souls to learn the need for God’s Gospel (Gal. 3:19-25).
Biblical passages that seem to support the view that human logic is a divine gift include the following:

1. “Come now, let us reason together,” says the Lord. (Isa. 1:18a)

2. “They hated me without reason.” (John 15:25)

3. “So [Paul] reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and the God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there.” (Acts 17:17)

4. “We do, however, speak a message of wisdom [right reasoning] among the mature…” (1Cor. 2:6)

5. “When I was a child… I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.” (1Cor. 13:11)

6. “Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.” (1Pet. 3:15b)

These passages indicate that we should think and attempt to learn the best beliefs/opinions or solutions regarding issues
including the arguments or accusations of atheists:

 

[lrs68]

To begin with, we believe, which is the very definition of Faith in Someone whom we have never physically seen before. Hence the idealism behind Santa and the Easter Bunny etc.

Secondly, we believe through a Gift called Faith that we naturally do not possess but read we have been given in order to believe.

Thirdly, we go further than surface belief in a Deity we call Jesus but we go well and beyond to believe He is the Creator, that He came to earth as a human being, that He was murdered, He was buried, He resurrected, He ascended, and He will return.

So we are placing our lives on something and Someone that requires belief that goes well past the realms of Logic and Reasoning.

Now I can only speak for myself here...
But the same manuscript that describes the Deity to whom I believe in and believe I have been given a measure of Faith to apply towards belief and results from praying and actions during trials. But that same manuscript instructs me because of the Faith I have been given and use in my belief towards a Deity I have never seen that because I believe this Deity that I believe in will make Himself known to me.

This list would include miracles seen, Angelic help and communication with, things that defy Logic and Reasoning within the limits and terminology of earth and human beings, seeing what was impossible to ever happen just happen, and I really could go on and on here.

But the bottom line is this, if I was able to step out of my being and observe myself throughout my entire life of believing in God like I do and having the experiences that I have and believe will continue to do until my last breath or being resurrected. I would have to verify and testify that nothing has ever been Logical or within the realm of Reason according to a human life without God.

In my world, anything that goes beyond simple explanation and borders on the miraculous and unbelievable that eventually points to a possibility of there being a God is Logical and Reasonable.

 

[homwardbound]

Hmmm, logic and reason say that it is impossible for the dead to be raised and limbs to grow back. Logic and reason are good servants but bad masters. There is a reason why the Holy Spirit is given to lead us into all truth. Logic and reason are inadequate to know the things of God.

The Pharisees used logic and reason. They argued that only God had the authority to forgive sins. It's easy in hindsight to understand who Jesus is and why he could claim such authority. But it was not logic and reason that gave us that understanding.

I am an intellectual. That is not a boast. It has often been a hindrance rather than a help. Spiritual things are spiritually understood

"And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The natural man (reason and logic - my words) does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:13 & 14

Yet!
John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 4:48
Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 5:44
How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
John 5:47
But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
John 7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Now is risen glorified, where we are given new life from Daddy, PaPa, Father, is in the risen Life of Son. The death was for us all to be reconciled first. Then risen for us to be given new life in the risen Life of Son given us from Father, thank you Daddy, PaPa
No logic in healings done, no logic in why God continues and had continued to love us all, at least me
I heard from God, when I asked why do you continue to love me, I do not logically deserve to be still loved? That is what my Love does, loves all, which people then choose to love me and all others back from this love given them by me through Son for them too. Makes no reasonable sense, yet God is truthful and the only one truthful
God is the only one good Matthew 19, Jesus said so. Yet did everything perfect in flesh and blood for us the people, all of us, even those that got him killed. Wow! woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
It makes no logical sense. yet God did it anyways, without asking anyone to do it. Son did it all for us the people to be freed in love and mercy to all, yes even those that harmed you too.
That is not logical is it. Can Hitler be saved by God? Paul said since he got, is saved day God, anyone can be saved, wow!
Lord I need those tongs from the Holy Fire to purge my lips, thank you. No, logic when that gets done, win anyone as in Saul who became Paul Your time thank you God loves us all y'all that is not logical either yet does

 

[homwardbound]

Who knew? I didn't.

There are about 50 places I could find where Jesus refuted incorrect beliefs, practices, doctrines, ... and from what I can see, Jesus expects true Christians to evaluate every belief based on whether or not the belief makes complete logical, reasonable rational sense IN EVERY CASE. That said, whenever those with opposing doctrines and beliefs missed a biblical situation, verse or passage that applies to the topic. Jesus also brings those up as well, (Along with a call to use logic and reason and think all the ramifications of their beliefs through and then rethink the ones that do not make sense.

Here are the passages I found. Please let me know if I missed any of the interactions of Jesus with those whose beliefs were off.

Mat. 9:1-7, 10-13, 14-17, 11:15-20, 12:1-8, 10-14, 22-32, 33-37, 15:2-9, 21:23-27, 22:16-21, 41-46, Mar. 2:7-12, 16-17, 18-22, 24-28, 3:1-5, 22-30, 11:29-33, 12:14-17, 26-27, 35-37, Luk. 5:30-32, 33-35, 36-39, 6:1-5, 6-11, 39, 40, 41-42, 43-45, 46-49, 7:36-50, 44-50, 11:17-23, 38-44, 46-52, 13:14-16, 14:2-5, 8-11, 15:2-7, 8-10, 11-32, 16:13, 20:2-8, 22-25, 37-38, 41-44, Joh. 7:21-24, 8:7​

This said, the religious lost were unwilling to reconsider their beliefs based on Jesus questioning how they didn't make sense. If we also reject the testing of our beliefs based solely on logic and reason, i.e. do they make sense, are any of the ramifications of a belief ludicrous, contrary to the stated character of God, ... are we in the same exact position the religious lost were in when Jesus stated this was enough to prove their beliefs inaccurate? If we take this position, are we not saying Jesus' opposition should have rejected His points and reasoning as superfluous and laughable?

Not only these things, but if we hold to Jesus reasoning, what does it do when we think various popular doctrines and beliefs through? What does this say about our modern hermeneutical teachings? Should most of them be greatly revised in the light of Jesus standard practices for determining correct beliefs?

Think it through. What are the ramifications for pre-trib, mid-trib and post tribulation rapture? How about water baptism as a requirement for salvation? Calvinism?

What opinions do you have on the validity of reconsidering beliefs solely based on whether or not they make complete sense when all the ramifications of them are considered?

What beliefs do you "believe" fall short of truth when Jesus methodology is applied, and why do you suggest they fail the logic, reason, "Does that make any sense", test?

I'm looking forward to the discussion, and thanks for your input.

John 3:12, 1 John 2:1-27

 

[GWH]

Thanks... I would look at just who Christ was talking to. They all lived by the law. There were no Christians no Church. We understand and not being funny but we know Christ is real right? He or should be more real the any flesh and blood. We have the sweet sweet holy Spirit that leads and guides us and shows us things to come. So many doctrines don't touch salvation nor Christ who came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin and was buried and rose the 3rd day the only way to the Father.

Man I would be mess up if I went by 'logic and reason". We walk by faith we live by faith. Yes its wise to read study yet what HE started in us He will finish. So for me its faith and the leading of the Holy Spirit over human logic and reasoning.

It is logical to walk by faith,
and it is necessary to have faith when sight is imperfect,
but true reasoning does not contradict godly faith.

 

[homwardbound]

Thanks... I would look at just who Christ was talking to. They all lived by the law. There were no Christians no Church. We understand and not being funny but we know Christ is real right? He or should be more real the any flesh and blood. We have the sweet sweet holy Spirit that leads and guides us and shows us things to come. So many doctrines don't touch salvation nor Christ who came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin and was buried and rose the 3rd day the only way to the Father.

Man I would be mess up if I went by 'logic and reason". We walk by faith we live by faith. Yes its wise to read study yet what HE started in us He will finish. So for me its faith and the leading of the Holy Spirit over human logic and reasoning.

Agreed, so would I and would have never learned anything, if never made any mistakes, even after believing God all in all. Not that I know, God does though! who are not in God's trust fund, I do not need to know, remaining in trust to God, it is this Love of God that overcomes evil and overcame evil, proven in risen Son, this still does that to this very day, to me at least.
"I" have no righteousness, None! None of my own, I have thought many times I had. Only to find out I do not. It is God's righteousness to be imputed in us each personally from God for them, and God does that to all that are sincere, and continue to be sincere, like in the book of Job. I see Job not ever giving up on God, I get that lesson out of the book of Job.
Then God imputed God's righteousness in me, does to us all that do not deny or quit belief/in God's love and mercy for them too in Son to them, that is what is done John 19:30. 1 Cor 13:4-7, I got that humbly and still can mess that up again, have. I simply choose, chose to walk in this Faith belief, given me from Father of risen Son for me and all others also. There are many in belief, that see deeper than others, yet I reckon me dead to sin by God in Son Jesus for me.Romans 6:1-12, I am no better than any other person, whether another believes God or not. I need God's righteousness, none of my own ever, at least for me
Phil 3, put no trust in self, Paul never gets tired of saying this, I see why and so do the same to me every day, thanks

 

[GWH]

Hmmm, logic and reason say that it is impossible for the dead to be raised and limbs to grow back. Logic and reason are good servants but bad masters. There is a reason why the Holy Spirit is given to lead us into all truth. Logic and reason are inadequate to know the things of God.

The Pharisees used logic and reason. They argued that only God had the authority to forgive sins. It's easy in hindsight to understand who Jesus is and why he could claim such authority. But it was not logic and reason that gave us that understanding.

I am an intellectual. That is not a boast. It has often been a hindrance rather than a help. Spiritual things are spiritually understood

"And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The natural man (reason and logic - my words) does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:13 & 14

Right reasoning leads us to recognize our need for God’s salvation in order to attain heaven.

The Pharisees used tradition and pride instead of loving logic employed by Jesus in John 8.

Acts recorded Paul reasoning with the Athenians.