Again, I am just saying every 7 days, a divine pattern.The Jewish calendar week was first day, second day,..., day of preparation, sabbath day.
Our calendar is a Roman calendar.
We don't have a first day as our days have names and not numbers.
Again, I am just saying every 7 days, a divine pattern.The Jewish calendar week was first day, second day,..., day of preparation, sabbath day.
Our calendar is a Roman calendar.
We don't have a first day as our days have names and not numbers.
You think that God is only holy on one day a week ?Yes,what does God know? Commanding one day a week be kept Holy!
I will still include the teachings of Jesus and Paul's letter to the Romans.Show me where Gentiles are told to obey "the ten commandments".
You must exclude Jesus talking to the Jews about their law because everyone knows the Jews were in covenant, to obey
the law on pain of death.
Also Davidstarr, do not use the letter to the Romans because Paul is explaining why Israel failed to achieve righteous
through the law.
Go ahead and show me!
What is moral about the Sabbath? I am not of the house of Israel, by the way. Romans 14, Acts 15, much of Galatians and some of Colossians all destroy your reasoning.The difference between the old and the new is Jesus... one was looking forward to a Messiah and had cerimonial laws that were a shadow. The new looks directly at the life of Jesus and sacrifice.
The moral law does not change.
The new is better because the blood of Jesus is better then the blood of animals.
But both are saved by faith.
Heb 8:10-11
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:
well done, all who say the ten commandments do not need to be kept will have a huge surprise when they resurrect, if only they listened.I will still include the teachings of Jesus and Paul's letter to the Romans.
10 Commandments shown in the New Testament:
1) Thou shalt have no other gods before me:
Acts 14:11-15 - Living and true God
I Cor 8:4-6 - Idol nothing; One God
2) Thou shalt not make (or worship) grave images:
I Cor 10:14 - Flee from idolatry
Acts 17:29 - Ought not to think God is like gold, silver, etc.
I John 5:21 - Keep yourselves from idols
3) Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain:
James 5:12 - Swear not
4) Remember the Sabbath, work 6 days, rest on the 7th:
Luke 4:16 - Kept by Jesus
Acts 13:14 - Kept by Paul; Acts 17:2
Acts 13:42&44, 16:13 - Kept by the early Christians
Acts 18:4&11 - Seventy eight different seventh day Sabbaths kept by Paul and the early Christians (You left out verse 11 above showing they stayed for a year and a half worshiping and teaching every sabbath - 18 months is 72 sabbaths)
Heb 4:1-11 - Command is given to God's people to keep the Sabbath (verses 4, 10&11)
5) Honor thy father and mother:
Matt 19:19; Eph 6:2
6) Thou shalt not kill:
Matt 19:18; Rom 13:9; James 2:11
7) Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Matt 5:28 & 19:18; Rom 13:9; James 2:11
8) Thou shalt not steal:
Matt 19:18; Rom 13:9
9) Thou shalt not bear false witness:
Matt 19:18; Rom 13:9
10) Thou shalt not covet:
Matt 5:28; Rom 13:9
All Commandments - The whole law:
James 2:10 - Offend in one point, guilty of all
There are others
Call the sabbath what you will moral or not, it does not change the fact it is part of the ten commandments Jesus asked us ( his followers) to keep, this is purely a deflection. No one is forcing you to do anything you have free will.What is moral about the Sabbath? I am not of the house of Israel, by the way. Romans 14, Acts 15, much of Galatians and some of Colossians all destroy your reasoning.
The difference between the old and new is stark. The old requires outward obedience to a set of rules that no one but Jesus ever obeyed perfectly. Not even you. The new covenant is the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. The Law of the Spirit of life sets us free from the Law of sin and death. I live according to the law of the Spirit. Never once in 54 years has God required me to attend church on a Saturday or keep the Sabbath rules and regulations.
You can't have it both ways. Either you live under the law or you live by the Spirit. They are like oil and water, they do not mix.
The Law brings death. Grace brings life. The fact that you cannot leave the Sabbath law alone demonstrates that you do not know what grace is.
I don't think Jesus told the Gentiles to Keep the Ten Commandments did he?Call the sabbath what you will moral or not, it does not change the fact it is part of the ten commandments Jesus asked us ( his followers) to keep, this is purely a deflection. No one is forcing you to do anything you have free will.
yes Roger I can give you clear undeniable scriptural proofs if you need.I don't think Jesus told the Gentiles to Keep the Ten Commandments did he?
Romans 14 covers it.The claim that the Sabbath was only an Old Covenant institution fails when Scripture's timeline is examined. The Sabbath was not introduced at Sinai. It appears before Israel existed as a nation...Genesis 2:2–3 states: "God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it He rested from all the work of creating that He had done." The Sabbath is rooted in creation itself, not merely the Mosaic covenant...Then, when the Ten Commandments were given, the 4th commandment does not say "create a new Sabbath." It says: "REMEMBER the Sabbath day by keeping it holy." — Exodus 20:8 To remember something means it was already established and known...The commandment connects directly back to creation: "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth... but He rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." — Exodus 20:11...So the biblical sequence is: Creation → Sabbath established → Israel commanded to remember → Sabbath observed. The question is not whether the Sabbath existed under the Old Covenant. It clearly did...The question is whether something established by God at creation and included in the moral law is abolished simply because the Old Covenant reached fulfillment. To also note that marriage as well was also included in the mosaic laws and establish in the days of creation but yet we do not say that marriage is fullfilled. We cant be isolating the Sabbath alone. Jesus said: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." — Mark 2:27...Notice He did not say the Sabbath was made only for Israel. The foundation of the Sabbath is creation, the command is remembrance, and its purpose predates Sinai. In the book of Revelations 1:10 “I was in the spirit in the Lord’s day” Jesus said he is Lord over the sabbath day and John is busy addressing Jesus himself when he is talking about his experience on the Lord’s day, the Lord’s day is the day Jesus is Lord over which as he said is the sabbath day thus the Lord’s day is Sabbath.
The 10 commandments are universal.I don't think Jesus told the Gentiles to Keep the Ten Commandments did he?
The law does not bring death. It is BREAKING the law that brings death.What is moral about the Sabbath? I am not of the house of Israel, by the way. Romans 14, Acts 15, much of Galatians and some of Colossians all destroy your reasoning.
The difference between the old and new is stark. The old requires outward obedience to a set of rules that no one but Jesus ever obeyed perfectly. Not even you. The new covenant is the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. The Law of the Spirit of life sets us free from the Law of sin and death. I live according to the law of the Spirit. Never once in 54 years has God required me to attend church on a Saturday or keep the Sabbath rules and regulations.
You can't have it both ways. Either you live under the law or you live by the Spirit. They are like oil and water, they do not mix.
The Law brings death. Grace brings life. The fact that you cannot leave the Sabbath law alone demonstrates that you do not know what grace is.
My question is, in modern today, how do you observe sabbath day?The law does not bring death. It is BREAKING the law that brings death.
Living under the grace of God means we are not under the CONDEMNATION of the law. Does not mean we can continue to live a life of disobedience.
Prov 6:23 "For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:"
Prov 13:14 "The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death."
Psa 19:7 "The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple."
James 2:12 "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."
Rom 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
Anyone who claims they don't have to keep the law or that it is impossible to keep the law falls into this category:
Rom 8:7 "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."
The 7th day sabbath is, of course, included in the moral law for a plain/simple reason.
It is the ONLY one of the 10 that tells us which God we worship.
Take the sabbath out of the law (or change it to another day) and you have taken the Creator out of His own law.
It will then become impossible to know which god you worship.
Certainly not the Creator of all things.
Might as well be a fish.
I'm still waiting for that leopard-like beast person to turn a handful of dust into a mouse. But I don't think he can anymore.
He said he could but no one has yet seen him do it.....
Two main things:My question is, in modern today, how do you observe sabbath day?
Don't cook?
Don't operate any machinery?
Go to church?
....
I'm looking for an explicit comment from Jesus that Gentiles needed to keep the Ten Commandments. Until Paul, all of the Apostles were Jewish men who ministered to Jewish people. Jesus commissioned Paul, and sent him to act as the Apostle to the Gentiles. Paul exhorted the children of his readers to obey their parents. He instructed the wives to help their husbands and for the husbands to love their wives. But he never instructs his readers to Keep the Weekly Sabbath.yes Roger I can give you clear undeniable scriptural proofs if you need.
Jesus said He came to israel FIRST but only israel? Jesus was a man, he could not be all over all at once by design he had to fulfill prophecy about him. Remember he did choose 12 disciples who followed him all over he went they lived with him for 3 years, they knew all he did and said.
Now if you read Matthew and Mark about the great commission he tells his disciples to preach ALL he did and said to ALL nations this includes all like the ten commandments, he preached during his ministry and explained the true way fo keep them that it with a heart.
Do you have scripture to back that up?The 10 commandments are universal.
When you say the Ten Commandments are a blessing, you're exactly right—but the blessing becomes clear only when we slow down and meditate on them. The Decalogue is God’s own expression of His moral vision, a revelation of the kind of life and society that promote human flourishing, dignity, and joy. These commands show us what a life‑affirming community looks like: one shaped by loyalty to God, truthfulness, fidelity, justice, and contentment. When we reflect on them deeply, we begin to see that the Ten Commandments are not burdens but gifts—windows into the kind of humanity God intends to form in His people.The 10 commandments are really blessings to us.
Heb 4:1-11 Talks about God's rest.I'm looking for an explicit comment from Jesus that Gentiles needed to keep the Ten Commandments. Until Paul, all of the Apostles were Jewish men who ministered to Jewish people. Jesus commissioned Paul, and sent him to act as the Apostle to the Gentiles. Paul exhorted the children of his readers to obey their parents. He instructed the wives to help their husbands and for the husbands to love their wives. But he never instructs his readers to Keep the Weekly Sabbath.
If go by literally word by word, it will be difficult to meet requirements.Two main things:
1) According to the 4th commandment (Exo 20:8-11) it is a day to rest from our 6 day work week. Because God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th. (Remember back in bible times each new day started at sunset. So the 7th day sabbath begins Friday night the moment the sun drops below the horizon and ends Saturday at sunset, even if it hasn't gone completely dark yet.)
Lev 23:32 applies to ANY sabbath, whether a feast day of rest, a special holy day or the weekly sabbath "...from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath."
Mark 1:32 "And at even, when the sun did set..."
2) As Christians we worship God every day. This includes at rest, play, meal times, work, etc. whatever we are doing do all to the glory of God. But the 7th day sabbath (a day of rest from our weekly work) is the only time like-minded believers can congregate together in communal worship. This is where going to church comes in.
Lev 23:3 "Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings."
Psa 111:1 "Praise ye the LORD. I will praise the LORD with my whole heart, in the assembly of the upright, and in the congregation."
Heb 10:25 "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together.."
There are different laws and you need to understand the difference before you through them all out.