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Inquisitor said:
That is incorrect.

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles.

Peter was the apostle to the Jews.

Galatians 2:9
And recognizing the grace that I had been given, James, Cephas, and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas
the right hand of fellowship, so that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.
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We only have one head, that is Jesus.
All the others are brothers sisters that Jesus bless us with.
 
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Inquisitor said:
Here is where you are seriously wrong.

Israel was in covenant to obey the law given in Exodus 20 and that is not my opinion.

In the New Testament it states that we are in a new covenant.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the
Spirit gives life.

Are you in the new covenant or the old covenant; the letter of the law, i.e., Exodus 20?
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The new covenant is in the spirit as in
2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the
Spirit gives life.

Dont you see, The letter kills if followed for the sake of following an instruction precisely without understanding love and mercy, like the pharisees did ( see matthew 23) Is is why God placed these same commandments in the hearts of his peoples ( all believers) and minds so we can follow than as he intended.

its exactly as Paul said in the spirit this is that Jeremiah says (31:31-34)

Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Paul also quoted this verse in his epistles.

this is why Jesus came so we can receive the Holy spirit, even the spirit of truth that remind us of scripture and more. just have faith and it will happen to you too, believe Inquisitor believe.
 
Davidstarr said:
Paul commanded this in Heb 4:1-11

Verses 4-10 show the text is talking about the 7th day that God rested from His works.
Verse 11 tells us to "labour" to enter into that rest or fall into unbelief.....

Taking any verses out of the context is not a good idea. It changes the meanings of those verses into anything anyone WANTS them to say.
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If you keeo the Sabbath then you know its Jesus Rest the high priest is Now Seated he say
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Luk 4:15-16
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. 16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

It was Jesus's custom to go to the synagogue (church). He never said anything about a coming change. He did not teach people that this was going to stop.

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
They knew Jesus well and rested according to the commandment. Jesus did not tell them to stop obeying the law.

And Paul kept the sabbath

Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.
Act 13:42-44
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

This was written many years after the cross.. the sabbath still had meaning.
 
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GWH said:
Sabbatarianism views the Sabbath law as mandatory for Christians despite the teaching of Paul in Col. 2:16-17 that it merely foreshadowed God’s rest of salvation as indicated in Heb. 3:7-4:11 and thus is part of the Levitical laws that were superseded by the Gospel (Heb. 7:11-10:1) and by the indwelling of Christ’s HS (Rom. 5:5, 8:1-15).
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Notice in Colossians it says 'do not judge' not 'do not obey they sabbath'. Also in Heb 4:9 says 'there remains then a sabbath rest for the people of God'
 
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Beckworth said:
God created the ordinances and laws of the Old testament. They were HIS creation and HIS laws. If He created them, He can also CHANGE THEM. And He has. He says so in Hebrews 7:12. The law has been CHANGED! He illustrates this fact by pointing out that Jesus is our HIGH PRIEST. And in another place it says that ALL Christians today are “priests.” But in the old law of Moses you could not be a priest UNLESS you were from the tribe of Levi. There is no way Jesus can be our HIGH PRIEST if the law of Moses is still in effect, because Jesus was from the tribe of JUDAH. So, he says, “For the priesthood being CHANGED, of NECESSITY, there is also a CHANGE OF THE LAW.” Please remember this is the Holy Spirit talking and the Holy Spirit says the law has been CHANGED.

Hebrews 7:18, “there is an ANNULLING of the former commandment…”
Hebrews 7:19, “ there is the BRINGING IN OF A BETTER HOPE.”
Hebrews 7:22, “ Jesus has become a surety of a BETTER COVENANT.”
Hebrews 8:16, “ He is also Mediator Of a BETTER COVENANT which was established upon BETTER PROMISES.”
Hebrews 8:7, “ For if that FIRST covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a SECOND.”
Hebrews 8:8, “…the days are coming days the Lord when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel…” not like that OLD COVENANT that He made with their fathers when he led them out of Egypt ( Mt. Sinai).
Hebrews 8:13, “He says a NEW COVENANT, He has made THE FIRST OBSOLETE. Now what is becoming OBSOLETE and GROWING OLD is ready to VANISH AWAY.”
Hebrews 10:9, “He TAKES AWAY THE FIRST so that He may ESTABLISH THE SECOND.”
Hebrews 10:19-20, we “enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, BY A NEW AND LIVING WAY.”

If these scriptures by the Holy Spirit do not teach that 1) the Old covenant, law of Moses, is no longer binding on us, is no longer in effect, and 2) that Christ as our High Priest has brought in a NEW , BETTER covenant LAW, also called the law of FAITH in Romans 3:27, by which we are governed and held accountable to today, ,,, then please tell me what these scriptures are talking about.

The point Paul makes in Roman’s 7 is that we CANNOT be married to the law of Moses and to the law of Christ at the same time.

Colossians 2:12-16 says that Christ took that old law with its “handwriting of ordinances” away, nailing it to His cross. He specifically names THE SABBATH as part of that which was TAKEN AWAY.

Neither Jesus, nor the Holy Spirit nor any apostle EVER told anyone in the church of Christ or any Christian to keep the Sabbath day holy. That Old Testament law has been ANNULLED, TAKEN AWAY, NAILED TO THE CROSS OF JESUS.

Now here is the serious part. Galations 5:4 says, “You have become ESTRANGED FROM CHRIST, you who attempt to be justified by the law, YOU HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE.” Keeping the Sabbath day as a religious requirement will cause you to be “separated from Christ.”

As Paul specifically says concerning the Old Testament law, “TOUCH NOT, TASTE NOT, HANDLE NOT.” Colossians 2:21.
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Jesus says in Mark 2:27 " The sabbath was made for Man" (as in mankind) in that the Sabbath was a law established in the days of creation and applies to all of mankind.
 
kv100 said:
Jesus says in Mark 2:27 " The sabbath was made for Man" (as in mankind) in that the Sabbath was a law established in the days of creation and applies to all of mankind.
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Yes and in the New Covenant abiding in Christ is the rest God now has for man kind.

Saturday just don't cut the mustard under the New Covenant.
 
ScooterJackson said:
Yes and in the New Covenant abiding in Christ is the rest God now has for man kind.

Saturday just don't cut the mustard under the New Covenant.
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Yes, there is evidence that circumcision is no longer required.
Yes, there is evidence that the OT feast days (and fast days) need not be observed.
Yes, there is evidence the monthly and yearly holy days (also called sabbath days of rest) no longer need to be kept.
No salvation if you keep them, no condemnation if you do not.
These (along with animal sacrifices) were all part of the Mosaic laws.
The hand writing of ordinances which Moses wrote in a book and placed beside the ark of the covenant.
Nailed to Jesus' cross.

But nothing in scripture tells us it is OK now to murder, steal, commit adultery, worship idols.
These are all precepts in the 10 commandments. Written by God on stone and placed inside the ark.
The sabbath is the 4th precept.
No scripture shows the 7th day sabbath has been abolished or changed into something else.
In fact Jesus AND the early Christians showed by example they still kept the 7th day sabbath.

Acts 20:7 shows only ONE "first day of the week" meeting (which was not a weekly event and nothing special about it except Paul was leaving on a journey). Acts 2:46 shows the apostles met EVERY day of the week to break break and worship God.

There is nothing else in scripture that shows any Sunday meetings. No command to keep Sunday apart from other days. Not even by example.

Breaking the 4th commandment is no different than worshiping idols, murdering your brother, taking his wife, his wealth, etc. You have still broken the 10 commandment law just by breaking one of it's precepts.
 
Davidstarr said:
But nothing in scripture tells us it is OK now to murder, steal, commit adultery, worship idols.
These are all precepts in the 10 commandments. Written by God on stone and placed inside the ark.
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9 of the 10 commandments are repeated in the New Covenant under the L:aw of Christ.



Davidstarr said:
The sabbath is the 4th precept.
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And under the New Covenant there has been an upgrade made to the sabbath
 
Here's REST according to the New Covenant... is it's not speaking of keeping Saturday sabbath!

Hebrews 4:4-11
For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Hebrews 4:6 tells us "to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief" so those living under the Law of Moses did not enter in to God's REST... even though they were observing Saturday sabbath!

What the Lord's Word is speaking of in Hebrews 4:8 is what we have under the New Covenant which is resting in faith IN Christ... not just one day a week, but ALL days.

Therefore Saturday sabbath does not meet the higher standards Jesus Christ has brought forth for His people in the New Covenant due to it';s better promises.

Maybe some day... the sabbatarians can come on over in to the New Covenant and let Jesus be their High Priest rather than trying to go back and live under Moses.

Under the Law of Moses... Saturday sabbath was a thing.

Under the Law of Christ (New Covenant), it is NOT a thing because a different rest has replaced Saturday sabbath which made it obsolete since we are IN Christ now and ... HE is out rest... HE is our sabbath 24/7/365 (Mat 11:28, Hebrews 4:9-11)
 
Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Hebrews 4:9-10
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Matthew 11:29-30
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Christians are to abide in Christ enjoying the rest only He can provide everyday, not just on Saturday

If they Saturday people reject this and only want to abide in Christ on Saturday they can do that but that's not how things work in the New Covenant
 
ScooterJackson said:
9 of the 10 commandments are repeated in the New Covenant under the L:aw of Christ.





And under the New Covenant there has been an upgrade made to the sabbath
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Even if one want to observe Saturday as ot did, it is impossible.
If dying on Saturday, go to hospital or not?
If fire earthquake, go help out or not?
should a church conduct service or not?
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It is always about heart, rest, 1 out of 7 rotation.
 
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