LOSING SALVATION POSSIBLE OR NOT POSSIBLE ???

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Rickee said:
To show another example that once saved/ Always saved is from The devil, please read the story in Acts 5 verses 1-11. In this story, two Christian converts Ananias and his wife Sapphira lied about much profit they made on a possession they sold, and were supposed to pay ten percent of the increase as Tithes to the Church. And God revealed their lying unto Apostle Peter. After Peter confronted them, God slew both of them. So if they were "Once saved/ Always Saved" why did God slay them? Answer....they lied and pretended they only received less then they actually did....

And why did Apostle Paul concern himself with being a possible "Castaway" if he did not keep himself under subjection? ( I Corinthians 9 v 27)...
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Physical death does NOT mean one lost eternal life.

as for the castaway, You spoke about people who do not listen. This passage has been answered over and over in this thread the last couple of days, Again, You do not listen.
 
This is what my Bible says about God casting us out and losing our salvation.

"What then are we to say about these things?
If God is for us, who is against us?
[SUP]32 [/SUP]He did not even spare His own Son
but offered Him up for us all;
how will He not also with Him grant us everything?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Who can bring an accusation against God’s elect?
God is the One who justifies.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Who is the one who condemns?
Christ Jesus is the One who died,
but even more, has been raised;
He also is at the right hand of God
and intercedes for us.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Who can separate us from the love of Christ?
Can affliction or anguish or persecution
or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written:
Because of You
we are being put to death all day long;
we are counted as sheep to be slaughtered.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]No, in all these things we are more than victorious
through Him who loved us.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]For I am persuaded that not even death or life,
angels or rulers,
things present or things to come, hostile powers,
[SUP]39 [/SUP]height or depth, or any other created thing
will have the power to separate us
from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord!" Romans 8:31-39

Even the Old Testament has this exact parallel in Psalm 139

"Lord, You have searched me and known me.[SUP]2 [/SUP]You know when I sit down and when I stand up;
You understand my thoughts from far away.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]You observe my travels and my rest;
You are aware of all my ways.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Before a word is on my tongue,
You know all about it, Lord.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]You have encircled me;
You have placed Your hand on me.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]This extraordinary knowledge is beyond me.
It is lofty; I am unable to reach it.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Where can I go to escape Your Spirit?
Where can I flee from Your presence?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If I go up to heaven, You are there;
if I make my bed in Sheol, You are there.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If I live at the eastern horizon
or settle at the western limits,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]even there Your hand will lead me;
Your right hand will hold on to me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me,
and the light around me will be night”—
[SUP]12 [/SUP]even the darkness is not dark to You.
The night shines like the day;
darkness and light are alike to You.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For it was You who created my inward parts;
You knit me together in my mother’s womb.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I will praise You
because I have been remarkably and wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful,
and I know this very well.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]My bones were not hidden from You
when I was made in secret,
when I was formed in the depths of the earth.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Your eyes saw me when I was formless;
all my days were written in Your book and planned
before a single one of them began.
Psalm 139:1-16 HCSB (but any version will say the same thing!)



These verses pretty much sum up the fact that God knows us, loves us and will never leave or forsake us.

"for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” Hebrews 13:5b, Deut. 13:5

As Bookends and EG have so rightly pointed out, because we are sinners, saved by grace, we can never earn this amazing love of God. But we can be sure that we are saved, and God will not let us go - he will hold onto his own - Because he is God - not because of our works or our sin.

"because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved." Romans 10:9-10.

Nothing in there about losing your salvation either!
 
Maybe we all are not looking at this properly. I see a lot of people believe, say they do and are trying to work it out, and others just say they do and just go on here in this life, without concern to whether they are doing it right or not, and whatever else is going on.
To all that believe, the Question that remains, have we received? If we have not we are still working out our own salvation with fear and trembling, in essence we are trying to save ourselves, or trying to keep ourselves saved by what we do or do not do.

We have added works to our salvation, and doubt is taken out of works.
Look if one has received then one is freed and knows they are saved, with or without works and needs not to prove anything to anyone else for God has given what God came to give to them. New life in God's Spirit, by Faith alone, which today many do not see this as truth from God. because many do not see this truth as truth
Colossians 1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—

Does anyone here believe what that verse says as 100% truth? If you do, then you are done with your works are you not? How can one get anymore Holy.
This is where one receives from God truth unto the new life automatic from God in the Spirit if you pray for the Mercy that only God gives
So we all can believe, but have we received from God, God's Mercy and compassion, and stopped our own works that reap death
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

It is more than just I believe, it is have I received?
 
Josh321 said:
you can't lose your salvation, how can you be unborn when your already born? you will receive punishment if you go back to how you live before bible said so
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Once one has received, after they believed from God there is no going back. The same a caterpillar that spins a cocoon, after Metamorphoses, and that cocoon breaks open a Butterfly emerges and is free to fly across the sky, no more earth ground, to crawl on the ground.
You know once born again from the worm family to being a Butterfly, that Butterfly might not go to the right places or do the right thing along in it's new life.
But one thing is for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It will never be a worm again.
So when one is born again by God and from God then one is free in God and never will be a worm again, period end of discussion.
So it is more than believing, it is receiving from God, God's Mercy. We are in the cocoon, when we believe. waiting for the reception of the new life as you have received, from God. Once that cocoon breaks open in God's timing we are set free as a butterfly and will never be a worm ever again, We have then past from death to life
Thanks for all your posts
 
jetson said:
Paul said, Corin. 9:27 I must keep my body under subjection (control), while preaching the gospel or I could become a castaway (dammed). We are not robots. Demas walked away, so can we. Christ, will not let go of us, but we can let go of Him.
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Could Paul have walked away, after being born Again from God? Yes he could, but would that make God's truth void? By Faith you are saved and not of works lest you might boast.
Remain steadfast in the Faith that God has given you. not any of our own makings. Please be careful and go to God for reception of truth in God. For only God can show us truth as truth is.
Ask God for God's Mercy through Son and receive truth from God, and be set free in God only through Son can this be done. It goes past belief into receive the free gift from God, not just "I" believe, past that, it is in the reception from God that one is born again from God, freely given to us from God. It does start out with I believe God, but flesh does continuously try to keep in the way and create it's own righteousness, and make it look as if it is God's.
Just food for thought to process through and eat, fro God to discern in you, me and all that believe, waiting for the reception, if we have not yet received.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
so your saying someone who has come to TRUE saving faith, and has personally experienced his TRUE love would ever do this?

sorry, I am not buying it, I have been a prodigal son before. But I never denied knowing christ.

and even the apostle john would support my view.

he speak of these people..

he calls them antichrist:

1 John 2: [SUP]2 [/SUP]Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

but what does he say about them? that they had salvation and lost it? no, quite the opposite, he said they were never of us, (never saved)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[SUP][c][/SUP] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. [SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

These people who deny christ never were saved, for if they truly at one time were saved, they never would have departed.
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Yep never born again as a butterfly is and will never be a worn again. It is when we see God has given us new life we receive it gladly and can't ever be a worm again, crawling amongst the ground. No longer grounded AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
directline2iam said:
Matt 13:20But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that HEARETH the word, and anon with joy RECEIVETH it;



21Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
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And that is seeking to be born again from God, and this world chokes them out before the cocoon is ready for them to be hatched here and now, when could be as a butterfly that once is a butterfly can never be a worm again, no matter where that Butterfly goes or does, not possible ever to be a worm again. That is the amazing power of God. So can we last through all the troubles here on earth as Job showed us to stand firm and stay steadfast in belief of God as Job did and never denied God. Can we do this too? Not easy I know but worth waiting for God to give us what we need, and that is the new life in God.
A short time here of suffering for an eternity in God with God is far better than one gaining this whole world and losing his Soul.
When Born again by God and from God one is free from his own works as God is free from God's since the beginning and rested on this wise. Believe and stay with belief, and one receives from God in due time as in God's timing, the new life in the Spirit of God as Christ said he came to give us. John 10:10
 
secularhermit said:
It simple to lose it! It is a give, like any other given (as marriage). Have you seen people being divorced? Have U seen those who loved deeeply hating one another?

Yes! Salvation is a gift any could miss like Esau, like Adan...
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But once one receives the new life from God, these are born again, a gift from God. How is there any going back. God is truth and anything given from God to anyone there is no turning back from God
Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
 
Rickee said:
To show another example that once saved/ Always saved is from The devil, please read the story in Acts 5 verses 1-11. In this story, two Christian converts Ananias and his wife Sapphira lied about much profit they made on a possession they sold, and were supposed to pay ten percent of the increase as Tithes to the Church. And God revealed their lying unto Apostle Peter. After Peter confronted them, God slew both of them. So if they were "Once saved/ Always Saved" why did God slay them? Answer....they lied and pretended they only received less then they actually did....

And why did Apostle Paul concern himself with being a possible "Castaway" if he did not keep himself under subjection? ( I Corinthians 9 v 27)...
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Rickee, once one has received the born again life in God, through belief in God, there is no turning back, one has right now past from death to life in God by God through the Son Christ.
Just as a butterfly that was from the worm family has past from being a worm to a new creature, a Butterfly. Tell me can that Butterfly ever be a worm again? So it is the same for all that have received new life from God here and now. They are dead to the flesh sin nature and alive to God in the Spirit of God and there is no turning back, once one has received fro God the new life Christ came to give us. John10:10, And only god can do this for each as God sees fir to do.
 
homwardbound said:
If I have received how will I ever leave, I am not more powerful than God. A butterfly that was of the worm family is now a butterfly, how can it ever be a worm again?
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How could believing Hebrews taste of the heavenly gift and the powers of the age to come, and then deny Christ and revert back to trusting in the old covenant with its temple sacrifices? Inconceivable, but the book of Hebrews makes it clear that that was a real, irremediable danger.

And Paul made it clear that those who deny Christ will be denied by Christ (if we deny him, he also will deny us).
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
How could believing Hebrews taste of the heavenly gift and the powers of the age to come, and then deny Christ and revert back to trusting in the old covenant with its temple sacrifices? Inconceivable, but the book of Hebrews makes it clear that that was a real, irremediable danger.
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the only people in remedial danger where the people who had not yet trusted christ fully (people who had already been saved, but were experiencing the work of the HS in people lives around them, and by association, being blessed themselves)

And Paul made it clear that those who deny Christ will be denied by Christ (if we deny him, he also will deny us).
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and the apostle john also made it clear that no one who is truly saved would ever deny christ, as he said, they departed because they were never of us, for if they were of us, they never would have departed.

who are they? Anti Christ.

who is Anti-Christ? one who denys christ.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead said:
How could believing Hebrews taste of the heavenly gift and the powers of the age to come, and then deny Christ and revert back to trusting in the old covenant with its temple sacrifices? Inconceivable, but the book of Hebrews makes it clear that that was a real, irremediable danger.

And Paul made it clear that those who deny Christ will be denied by Christ (if we deny him, he also will deny us).
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truth and those that leave and or deny even if they said they believe and walk away, never received the born again life from God yet.
Read Hebrews 5:10-6:6. It all starts with I believe, but is takes to stand firm and receive. God knows who each of us are and once one receives the new life in God from God through Son. there is no turning back

Those that deny and turn away never were born again, tasted, gone to Church, spoke this or that, is only the taste and not yet born again. And many who say they believe as if they are born again are not, and will be revealed in the day of God's coming at the great white throne Judgment
One is either of flesh or the Spirit of God. And none of us can be born again of self effort at all. It is a gift from God through Son. We can't believe into being born again. It is a gift to be received from God through the cross
 
homwardbound said:
truth and those that leave and or deny even if they said they believe and walk away, never received the born again life from God yet.
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How is it that people can taste of the heavenly gift (the spirit) and not be born in the spirit? The bible says that all we have to do to be born in the spirit is to believe in Jesus and confess him with our mouths. I don't see in scripture these same rationalizations that I'm reading here (e.g., that one was not really born of GOD if he later denies Christ).
 
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