Loss of salvation???
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this is a thread about the security/insecurity of salvation.
what's to discuss is that - - but aunts and uncles love to let children play, while the parents groan about their bedtime
what's to discuss is that - - but aunts and uncles love to let children play, while the parents groan about their bedtime
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
Why would we remove baptism in regards to salvation when Jesus words said it ?
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
Also there were a bunch of actual biblical statements of security in those scriptures I quoted
like this
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-7
Seems like baptism offers some security I’m still not clear why we remove it it holds his promise made with his word …..
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“someone who would rather talk about baptism than Christ, i similarly see grave doctrinal problems in.”
baptism is about Christ and what he did for us lol that’s why it’s in his name based on belief of what he did for us . Why did the apostles teach Christian’s about baptism ? And say all those deep spiritual things about it ? Consider what they are teaching about baptism for a moment brother then you can see it’s place in the doctrine it’s not about condemning anyone it’s a gift directly from Christ Jesus and his own words and written in his own blood
it’s not like baptism is a “work of the law “ it’s clearly christian doctrine and has real meaning and purpose to God
the reason we know this is acknowledging what they teach about it as with any subject . If someone asks how to be saved and someone quotes this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
is the person at fault because they mention baptism in a discussion about salvation ?
what are we allowed to say in this thread ?
baptism is about Christ and what he did for us lol that’s why it’s in his name based on belief of what he did for us . Why did the apostles teach Christian’s about baptism ? And say all those deep spiritual things about it ? Consider what they are teaching about baptism for a moment brother then you can see it’s place in the doctrine it’s not about condemning anyone it’s a gift directly from Christ Jesus and his own words and written in his own blood
it’s not like baptism is a “work of the law “ it’s clearly christian doctrine and has real meaning and purpose to God
the reason we know this is acknowledging what they teach about it as with any subject . If someone asks how to be saved and someone quotes this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
is the person at fault because they mention baptism in a discussion about salvation ?
what are we allowed to say in this thread ?
“Yeah it doesn’t say anywhere that lack of baptism condemns anyone”
Mark 16:16 KJV
Luke 5:21 KJV
all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God,
being baptized with the baptism of John.
But the Pharisees and lawyers
rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him."
it doesn’t say anything about them being condemned because they weren’t baptized .
if you noticed they didn’t believe they were always accusing and conspiring against Jesus . baptism wouldn’t have meant a thing to them , they rejected Jesus .
they are in this group of those who don’t believe
“;but he that believeth not shall be damned.”Mark 16:16 KJV
to a non believer baptism is stupid and meaningless , just getting wet for no reason …. it’s for a believer of the gospel mostly they ( Pharisees and scribes )weren’t …..
“And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?”Luke 5:21 KJV
That’s mostly what they were like towards Jesus baptism wouldn’t have been a thing that helped
Baptism is about remission of sins not about condemning anyone.
But to be clear baptism is important doctrine for a believer . It’s just that no one ever really talks about what the Bible says it means to us …. That’s when baptism means something by faith when we hear what it’s for and means
trying to tell someone “if you don’t get baptized in Jesus name , God won’t accept you “ might work . But the way to pursuade someone regarding baptism is to discuss what the word says it means there’s a lot of great things in there about it but never is it a reason to condemn anyone
It’s an act of faith when we hear about it in truth.
@Ouch
i forgive you.
i wanted to give you the chance to display the fruit of the Spirit, that's all - but it seems in your preoccupation you did not understand what i was doing.
i won't remind you of that offense anymore; consider it removed.
i forgive you.
i wanted to give you the chance to display the fruit of the Spirit, that's all - but it seems in your preoccupation you did not understand what i was doing.
i won't remind you of that offense anymore; consider it removed.
You may think I'm preoccupied, maybe because I don't jump around on the dance floor I try to say focesed on the most important thing, BEING HEAVEN BOUND.
According to man there is many was to be reborn, just say this prayer, saved by faith or grace alone, being baptized is for show, when they do keep JESUS name out of it, Paul preached a different message, you can be saved on your death bed, the list goes on. None of which is bible. MAKES ME SAD.
GOD is not the author of confusion and there sure is alot of it going on.
Believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of sins and need JESUS to fill us with himself the Holy Ghost. John 3:5, Acts 2:38
We need to follow JESUS and HIS disciples lead.
I have ONE thing on my mind, and don't have much tact!!! So I bet I do say something's improperly it is what it is GOD makes us all different.
Thank you for forgiving me, I also forgive you.
Just pray that everyone is humble and can how to be reborn.
After being reborn then conversations about didn't things can be spoke of.
GOD BLESS YOU!
What's most notable is:
Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Gentiles of the body of Christ were/are grafted into Christ, not Israel. During Christ's ministry here, Gentiles were dogs, and without God
and without hope in the world apart from Israel.
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Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Gentiles of the body of Christ were/are grafted into Christ, not Israel. During Christ's ministry here, Gentiles were dogs, and without God
and without hope in the world apart from Israel.
MM
Ignorance is a terrible state to remain within. If you have doubts about the foundations of what I said, then please do state them. Gentiles were called dogs by Jesus Himself. What more can be said about that until you all were grafted into Christ because of our fall? It's got nothing to do with the heart. Cold, hard facts are what they are.
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