Loss of salvation???

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Far too many people fail to keep this in mind when thinking back upon the many, many things Jesus instructed Israel, much of which doesn't apply to us today except in the minds of those sold out to replacement theology:

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

This is overlooked and even explained away by most of the hirelings standing behind pulpits by way of them casting it into the shadows of obscurity for meaning in relation to the Lord's ministry and commands to Israel under the Kingdom Gospel. Replacement theology hounds continue to claim that ALL teaching and commands Jesus gave to Israel are binding upon us today. I've already shown in a previous post how that simply is impossible, but they continue to rattle their cups against the bars of their cells...

MM
 
Do you claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, (no sinful actions) 100% of the time exactly like Jesus Christ?
No one in Christ would Claim anything nor would they think anything of them selves because they know the battle. They know who they are outside of Christ. If we live after the flesh we Shall die. But IF we through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body we shall live.
 
Following verse 8, verse 9 encourages confession of sins, which implies that sinful actions (manifestation of the nature) will continue to occur at some time.
No it implies grace. 1Jo 2:1 says if not when.
 
So are you telling me that you no longer sin
What did Jesus say,
He said he that commits sin is a servant of sin. And the servant of sin will not abide in the House forever. But the Son forever. And if the Son shall make you free, free we are indeed.

And by the way you are severely misunderstanding Paul in Roman’s 6-8
 
No one in Christ would Claim anything nor would they think anything of them selves because they know the battle. They know who they are outside of Christ. If we live after the flesh we Shall die. But IF we through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body we shall live.
Descriptive of unbelievers and believers. IF confirms it. Do you define "mortify the deeds of the body" as sinless perfection?

Romans 8:8 - So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
 
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No it implies grace. 1Jo 2:1 says if not when.
So, if never resulted in when for you because you live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life (no sinful actions) 100% of the time exactly like Jesus Christ?
 
You would have to state what it is you think the Lord commanded that is left out in the Gospel of Grace. Can you be more specific?

Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom, according to Jesus.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presses into it.

Paul taught in agreement with Jesus:

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

The Lord teaches through Paul that we are to withdraw from those that do not teach wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ (Gospel of the Kingdom).

The "gospel of grace" is what the ear ticklers teach claiming Christians can live in sin and still be saved which is what all the tares follow because they believe they can't stop sinning which suits them because they love their sin and want to keep sinning.

We are saved by grace through faith and faith without corresponding action is dead faith, as in faith like the devils have which cannot save anybody (read the Book of James for starters)

So a parting question for you - are you a sinner?
 
What did Jesus say,
He said he that commits sin is a servant of sin. And the servant of sin will not abide in the House forever. But the Son forever. And if the Son shall make you free, free we are indeed.

And by the way you are severely misunderstanding Paul in Roman’s 6-8

He chooses to live in sin and claims to be a proud sinner.

There's little hope for those that have been deceived like that
 
Jesus taught the Gospel of the Kingdom, according to Jesus.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presses into it.

Paul taught in agreement with Jesus:

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

The Lord teaches through Paul that we are to withdraw from those that do not teach wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ (Gospel of the Kingdom).

The "gospel of grace" is what the ear ticklers teach claiming Christians can live in sin and still be saved which is what all the tares follow because they believe they can't stop sinning which suits them because they love their sin and want to keep sinning.

We are saved by grace through faith and faith without corresponding action is dead faith, as in faith like the devils have which cannot save anybody (read the Book of James for starters)

So a parting question for you - are you a sinner?

What are your thoughts about Jesus commanding water baptism for salvation and Paul never saying one word about water baptism for salvation?

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Paul, on the other hand was trained up by that same Jesus when he said this:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Nowhere in that context nor any other written by Paul did he ever command water baptism as an element for salvation, and yet Jesus commanded it for salvation. The difference is quite glaring. Peter also commanded water baptism for salvation:

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Your thoughts?

MM
 
Paul, on the other hand was trained up by that same Jesus when he said this:
It is at the canter of what he shared about our relationship in and of Christ. Romans 6 says, Shall we continue in sin that grace abounds? No in no way, know you not that as many of us who were baptized were baptized into His death?

Galatians 3 states, we who have been baptized have put on Christ.

Your example from his letter to the Corinthians is not all inclusive.

Far too many people fail to keep this in mind when thinking back upon the many, many things Jesus instructed Israel, much of which doesn't apply to us today except in the minds of those sold out to replacement theology:

2 Corinthians 5:16
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

This is overlooked and even explained away by most of the hirelings standing behind pulpits by way of them casting it into the shadows of obscurity for meaning in relation to the Lord's ministry and commands to Israel under the Kingdom Gospel. Replacement theology hounds continue to claim that ALL teaching and commands Jesus gave to Israel are binding upon us today. I've already shown in a previous post how that simply is impossible, but they continue to rattle their cups against the bars of their cells...

MM
CONTEXT, if we are all dead we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit. And we now have the capability to know all men through the Spirit, including our Lord and Savior the Christ.

We are a new creature born of the Spirit, behold all is new and of God through Christ. Born of the Spirit and not of the flesh.

In this new life we have been recounciled to God who through Christ and it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

He in us, us in Him that the world might believe this ministry of reconciliation that He has given us.

For He made Him to be sin for us that we be made the righteousness of God IN Him.

For we are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. I will give them a NEW Spirit and cause them to walk in my ways. For God has said A new Covenant I will make with the house of Israel, the stranger who is within their gate and those WHOM ARE NOT with them. For I will put my Law, my Word in their hearts that they do it. That is the word of faith in which we preach.

2Cor 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
2Cor 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
2Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
2Cor 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Cor 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Cor 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Cor 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
 
Descriptive of unbelievers and believers. IF confirms it. Do you define "mortify the deeds of the body" as sinless perfection?

Romans 8:8 - So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
No, verse 12 starts with the particle therefore which means as you know it is a conclusion to what was previously stated. And in Verse 12 Paul uses the words brethren and we in his inferential statement that Jesus will also give life to our bodies that are dead because we are in Christ. He says that we therefore, because of this Spirit of the Life in Christ Jesus that the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us, we the brethren are debtors not to live after the flesh. FOR IF we the brethren live after the flesh we shall die, but IF we, the brethren through the Spirit mortify the deeds of the body we, the brethren shall live.

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.