Loss of salvation???
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proving that we do not have salvation, but grace which can be lost!
2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels , that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
gal 5:4 ...ye are fallen from grace.
thks
then explain this verse of scripture
2 cor 12:7-9
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
thks
1 cor 13;13
three are eternal the supernatural virtues of faith, hope, & charity and greatest is charity not "FAITH ALONE"!!!
thks
you have no authority to devide anything, your not a bishop!
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)
The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)
Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…
No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! “One faith” Eph 4:5 Thee faith once handed to the saints” Jude 1:3
Our Holy Religion "truth & the church" are revealed by God and have a divine origin and cannot be reformed, they are immutable!
thks
what part of "outer darkness and gnashing of teeth" don't you understand mt 25:30
mt 25 has everything to do with salvation!
what part of "shall not enter the kingdom of heaven" don't you understand?
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
1 tim 5:12
have everything to do with salvation!
thks
instead of dividing scripture try just believing it!
In regard to 1 Corinthians 13:13, Paul uses hyperbole about understanding ALL mysteries and ALL knowledge and having faith that can move mountains yet having NO love, but Paul is not using hyperbole about the importance of love. Faith works through love (Galatians 5:6), but we are saved through faith, not faith "plus love/acts of charity."
Love is the greatest quality between faith, hope and love (1 Corinthians 13:13) because God is love and it outlasts faith and hope. Long after the "evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1) are now seen and we are no longer looking for the "blessed hope" - (expectation of what is sure) and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13) because we are now in His presence, love will still be the principle that governs all that God and his saints are and do throughout eternity in the new heaven and new earth.
Paul is not teaching that even if our faith is genuine that our faith cannot save us without producing "enough" love/acts of charity which culminates in salvation by works. Paul is stressing the importance of love, not teaching that faith in Christ is insufficient to save us without the merits of our best efforts to love.
All who are truly born again have love. Why? Because we (believers) have received the love of God in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us (Romans 5:5) when we believed the gospel (Ephesians 1:13). We love Him because He first loved us (1 John 4:19). 1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
But the church doesn't sanctify Christians. Jesus prayed to his heavenly Father about the sanctification of His followers:
(Joh 17:17) Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.
Not, "Sanctify them by Your church."
then you reject scripture?
example:
mt 7:14
...narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life...
1) we are saved then enter upon the narrow road that ends in eternal salvation.
2) we are justified and enter upon the narrow road that ends in eternal salvation.
choose?
thks
then you must reject scripture?
what is the rule of faith or the source of what christian must believe?
thks
You reject scripture since you believe some aspect of salvation depends upon conditions men meet, hence nullifying grace salvation which the scriptures teach.
A watchtower man who does not believe in watching? mt 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
or does grace do it for you?
thks
Lk 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. (implies works)
Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Jn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
(must avoid sin and abide in Christ to bear fruit)
The law implies works!
we are bound by the law of love!
we are bound by the law of the Spirit!
righteousness comes by grace
gal 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
righteousness requires works
acts 10:35
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
thks