LOVE IS fULFILLING THE LAW OF GOD BUT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU MAY IGNORE GOD'S LAW

[RedTent]

The plain truth of the matter is that if the forces that oppose God that scripture tells us we are fighting can get the church to believe that those who love the Lord are above the written law, then those forces can work freely in our world. There is no law to stop them.

Some people arguing to get rid of law are simply being duped by satan, and some are knowingly working for satan, but putting a stop to law amounts to the same thing. Lawlessness so satan rules our world.

 

[TannarDarr]

The plain truth of the matter is that if the forces that oppose God that scripture tells us we are fighting can get the church to believe that those who love the Lord are above the written law, then those forces can work freely in our world. There is no law to stop them.

Some people arguing to get rid of law are simply being duped by satan, and some are knowingly working for satan, but putting a stop to law amounts to the same thing. Lawlessness so satan rules our world.

They aren't above the written law. Christ's Church is modeled after a church that preexisted the law.

That is why Paul says in Him there is no Jew or Gentile.

Because Christ is the High Priest of the CHurch built in the order of Melchizedek's church.

Mel was High Priest of Salem/peace.

Christ is High Priest and prince of peace.

Mel was high priest before any Jew was a twinkle in their daddy's eye.

Thus no Jew, No Aaron, No Moses, No Levi, errrr NO LAWS YET.

The law was written for a reason. That reason was fulfilled.

Psalm 110 says He will be a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.

I don't know about you, but I think the Bible's words have meanings. I don't particularly think Satan can EDIT GOD'S WORD for Himself.

I can NOT get rid of a law, if I'm in christ's Church. There is no law, as you reckon it. Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. If you live by the law, you die by the law and Grace is useless. You deny Grace if you embrace the law.
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[TD]Gal 5:6
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[TD]For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.
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Neither under the law (circumcision) nor NOT under the law (Uncircum...) matters, just that your faith has put you to work doing what GOd saved you to do.
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[TD] Gal 5:4
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[TD]You have been severed from Christ, you who fnare seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
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I don't think it needs much explaining here does it? Wanna see how passionate Paul got on the topic????

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[TD] Phl 3:2
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[TD]Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the fnfalse circumcision;
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Paul is so furious over people preaching circumcision, I.E. the covenant of the Law, not Christ's Covenant, that he wrote he wished they would cut their junk off trying.

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[TD]Gal 5:12
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[TD]I wish that those who are troubling you would even fnmutilate themselves.


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DOES THAT SOUND LIKE SOMEONE UNSURE OF HIS THEOLOGY?

So, if you are really worried about Satan ruining God's message, then, praytell, you do know what it says about changing it's words and message to suit your needs, right????

Seeing as you stand inopposition to Paul, and He was hand chosen from Christ, and came with witnesses and miracles to prove He was God's authority, I gotta ask, "You sweatin' yet"?

 

[just-me]

Deuteronomy 6:1-9 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.

Luke 10:25-28 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[SUP]26 [/SUP]He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Leviticus 19:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

There are rules on how to love God's way. You can't love God's way without obeying the principles of love written in these verses. Love your way without practicing God's way, and your love will not meet His requirements. One really doesn't want to be guilty of breaking the law. Simple enough I think.

 

[Hizikyah]

The plain truth of the matter is that if the forces that oppose God that scripture tells us we are fighting can get the church to believe that those who love the Lord are above the written law, then those forces can work freely in our world. There is no law to stop them.

Some people arguing to get rid of law are simply being duped by satan, and some are knowingly working for satan, but putting a stop to law amounts to the same thing. Lawlessness so satan rules our world.

aLSO KNOW AS "THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY"

 

[TannarDarr]

There are rules on how to love God's way. You can't love God's way without obeying the principles of love written in these verses. Love your way without practicing God's way, and your love will not meet His requirements. One really doesn't want to be guilty of breaking the law. Simple enough I think.

What book does a person have to read to love their child.

How do the animals manage to do it when they can't read?

Your boldened part of lev 19 there, is just insanely silly. You say the chapter gives us the "way to love" but all it does is say TO LOVE, with no explanation of any way.

The fact is, love is not something you turn on and off, it's not something that you read and study, ti's something you have or don't have. It grows in you through life. You can't red enough books to learn how to love. If you think you succeed doing that, then..... I feel sorry for your family.

Those verses may show how love manifests itself, but that would be used to see where you were on the love scale.

Love is an action.

gal 5:6.

 

[cfultz3]

There seems to be two sets of laws:

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Who is justified before God:

Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Which law is being spoken about:

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
OR
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

Who delivers us from the body of death ruled by the law of sin

Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

So, with the mind we serve God or not

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The Law of God is good and eternal. The Law of sin brings death. With our mind (soul) we do indeed keep the Law of God through love. But, nevertheless, we are to die to the Law of sin as a means of our righteousness before God.

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Love by any other definition is love OUR way not love HIS way.

These verses show poeple that claim to follow Yahshua but choose to do things their own way and not the way the FATHER says to do them.

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

 

[TannarDarr]

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Love by any other definition is love OUR way not love HIS way.

These verses show poeple that claim to follow Yahshua but choose to do things their own way and not the way the FATHER says to do them.

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

That's already been answered. Waiting for the page to turn and repeating it over and over doesn't make it any less an abomination of scripture.

 

[Hizikyah]

Originally Posted by Hizikyah
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Love by any other definition is love OUR way not love HIS way.

These verses show poeple that claim to follow Yahshua but choose to do things their own way and not the way the FATHER says to do them.

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

That's already been answered. Waiting for the page to turn and repeating it over and over doesn't make it any less an abomination of scripture.

"an abomination of scripture" WOW really? The words of Yahchanan and the words of Yahshua, "an abomination?"
That is a VERY EVIL thing to say.

Yahshuas words:
Yahchanan 6:63, ""It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are life."

Mattithyah 12:31, "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven."

 

[TannarDarr]

Originally Posted by Hizikyah




1)"an abomination of scripture" WOW really? The words of Yahchanan and the words of Yahshua, "an abomination?"
That is a VERY EVIL thing to say.

Yahshuas words:
Yahchanan 6:63, ""It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are life."

Mattithyah 12:31, "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven."

1) Good thing I didn't say that then, right? Very passive aggressive and intellectually dishonest of you. It isn't John's words, I supported them and explained them. It's your twist of them to squeeze them into your mental box.

Your interpretation abominates scripture.

Scripture is fine and correct in what it says.

 

[cfultz3]

Yet, we do follow God's Law with our mind (soul). Good thing we do not follow the Law of sin with our flesh.

 

[Hizikyah]

1) Good thing I didn't say that then, right? Very passive aggressive and intellectually dishonest of you. It isn't John's words, I supported them and explained them. It's your twist of them to squeeze them into your mental box.

Your interpretation abominates scripture.

Scripture is fine and correct in what it says.

In what way did I say anything outside the meaning of the Scriptures I quoted?

Also what do they mean?

Originally Posted by Hizikyah
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Love by any other definition is love OUR way not love HIS way.

These verses show poeple that claim to follow Yahshua but choose to do things their own way and not the way the FATHER says to do them.

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

 

[TannarDarr]

In what way did I say anything outside the meaning of the Scriptures I quoted?

Also what do they mean?

Originally Posted by Hizikyah
1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the llove of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Love by any other definition is love OUR way not love HIS way.

These verses show poeple that claim to follow Yahshua but choose to do things their own way and not the way the FATHER says to do them.

Mattithyah 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! will enter into the Kingdom of Yahweh, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

Iniquity is Word #458 from word #459, Greek Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning not subject to (Yahweh's) Laws, transgressor.

Already answered several spots back. I'm done here. You didn't read it then, I think you are too busy claiming to be right to actually read it now.

Have a nice day.

Why do you wish to avoid the Church of Christ established in the order of Melchizedek? The Church established from His time on earth? I find that peculiar. It's obvious you have a passion for God. But I can't figure out why you abandoned His plan as it appears you have.....

 

[Hizikyah]

Already answered several spots back. I'm done here. You didn't read it then, I think you are too busy claiming to be right to actually read it now.

Have a nice day.

Why do you wish to avoid the Church of Christ established in the order of Melchizedek? The Church established from His time on earth? I find that peculiar. It's obvious you have a passion for God. But I can't figure out why you abandoned His plan as it appears you have.....

I do not see where you personal interpretation is given on these verses I see a place why you say what Yahchanan talked about later in his letter.

And by trying to follow the woeds of Yahshua I am trying to avoid the High Priest of the order of Melchizedekm (which is Yahshua) how?

 

[TannarDarr]

I do not see where you personal interpretation is given on these verses I see a place why you say what Yahchanan talked about later in his letter.

And by trying to follow the woeds of Yahshua I am trying to avoid the High Priest of the order of Melchizedekm (which is Yahshua) how?

And as long as you want to avoid points you can't defend you won't see it.

Again, why did you decide to avoid the Church Christ established for this version of your own creation? I'm really REALLLYLYYYYY curious about this one.

 

[TannarDarr]

Do I smell a sock puppet?

Are your intentions of Yahweh or of satan?

Have you been having fake arguments with your main profile?

You didn't answer the questions.

You have not answered half of my posts to this point alone.

You are not talking with, but preaching at me.

That means you presume to be above fault and won't waste your time considering what I answered to your earlier comments.

That means you are going with Cfultz or however he spells it. Y'all can chat with each other in my ignore bin.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Love is an action.

Or an inaction...

 

[homwardbound]

Brother, i understand what you are saying, and on the surface it looks good. However if you look at the statistics, those who rape, views porn before doing so. Those who molested children, looked at child porn before doing so. i understand the logic that it is better for a person to be looking at porn then to go out and actually do that wicked stuff. However it is a catch 22. The more a person looks at that porn the more he/she desires to fulfill it. The arguement can be said with kissing. Kissing another is OK as long as you don't have a sexual relationship. However kissing only will never be enough, it will lead to other sexual activity. So then the best course of actions is to cease kissing altogether. Just as the best course of action is to cease looking at porn altogether. Also the Lord Jesus plainly taught to look upon a woman to lust after her is to commit adultery. So then looking at women and lusting after them via pornography is to commit adultery on a grand scale. And a person commits adultery by viewing porn way more then they would commit adultery by actually cheating on their spouse.

So yes, i understand the logic behind "it is better for a person to view porn" then to actually go and do that stuff. The only problem is the more you look at porn the more you desire to go out and do that stuff for real. The Nature of the Beast can't be satisfied. looking at porn will only suffice for so long before the nature of the beast wants more then just looking.

^i^

understood, and agree, yet we all have cravings and hopefully a man will know his own limitations, for yes opportunities will arise to go further as in how the evil here in this world works, not just in pornography, in lust period of this world.
So yes we better have Jesus on tap to teach us how to say NO, and not of ourselves to accomplish this, of Christ is the way, the truth and the life.
Not promoting anyone to sin or continue in sin. I am promoting trust in God through Son to teach us to be able to say no to sin, through trust in God by the finished work of Christ for us on the cross

 

[Hizikyah]

Not promoting anyone to sin or continue in sin. I am promoting trust in God through Son to teach us to be able to say no to sin, through trust in God by the finished work of Christ for us on the cross

I agree

If one has accepted the Yahshua the Messiah, they are not a servant of sin any longer, they are changed and have a desire to be obedient to Yahweh. Not that they are instantly above all temptation, but they no longer desire those things. I know this is real as I have seen it in a number of poeple. I have also seen people claim to be following the Messiah but sitll want all the worldly stuff, so I think true self-evaluation is in order and if one sees some problems, it's possible they havent humbled themselves beofre Yahweh. I can tell you I went through this before, where I thought I was walking the walk with Yahweh and realized I still had much change need. Thank Yahweh that change continues to come.

 

[homwardbound]

Onece saved always saved is Scriptually not true:

Hebrews 10:26-30
"For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."

Romans 3:25, "Whom Yahweh set forth as a sacrifice of atonement by His own blood, through the faith, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of Yahweh."

And since I can not say what will happen even tomorrow, I have no say in my eternity. All I can do is hold fast to Yahweh, keep the faith in the work Yahshua did and strive for obedience to Yahweh's Laws.

In the modern day, it has become about having CONFIDENCE, not about actually doing what Yahshua taught. One can have all the confidence in the wopld that they are saved, that does not mean they are. I can not tell Yahweh what to do. People say "speak it true." I dont speak anything true, I humbly ask in prayer.

Mattithyah 24:12-13, "And because iniquity (Lawlessness) will abound, the love of the many will grow cold. But he who endures until the end, the same will be saved."

Yaaqob 4:13-17, "Come now, you who say: Today or tomorrow, we will go to such and such a city, and remain a year there to buy and sell, and make a profit. Yet you do not know what tomorrow may bring. For what is your life? Is it
not a vapor that appears for a little while, and then vanishes away? Instead, you ought to say: If it is Yahweh's will, and we are alive, we will do this or that. As it is, you are arrogant in your boasting; All such boasting is evil. Therefore, to anyone who knows how to act righteously, but does not do it, it is sin."

Those that do believe God work hard to enter God's rest, not to obey Law. For no one can. Only Christ could and did.
Thus all sin is condemned to flesh
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,

We are to seek after the Spirit of God where no sin can occur, be born again from God by the resurrected Christ. After we agree that we are dead in the flesh and that no flesh can please God in God's sight.
So we die to self daily with Christ at the cross, and are alive through death in God's Spirit, born again and we waqlk as God walked here on in earth being led by the Holy Ghost as Christ was led.
It is by Faith in the finished work of the cross, that we are set free in God the Father, whom we do as Father says, just as Christ did, God getting all the credit just as he did from Christ.
So simple it has become difficult, because of man flesh getting in the way and desiring reward(s)
Praying God shows you trust