MARIJUANA.

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Last time I smoked, it felt like pins were pricking my body from all sides, i started talking to our television, running circles around the house, my heart started to beat so fast i thought it would explode, and everyones face was melting. Not to mention the fear, oh that was the best. Not AT ALL satanic. I really doubt God intended me to take a mind altering drug so i could experience the most horrifying effects ever. Anyone who says its good for me or not harmful at all I honestly dont know what they're smoking...all pun intended.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

Last time I smoked, it felt like pins were pricking my body from all sides, i started talking to our television, running circles around the house, my heart started to beat so fast i thought it would explode, and everyones face was melting. Not to mention the fear, oh that was the best. Not AT ALL satanic. I really doubt God intended me to take a mind altering drug so i could experience the most horrifying effects ever. Anyone who says its good for me or not harmful at all I honestly dont know what they're smoking...all pun intended.

Marijuana is a very mild hallucinogenic, there are some people where that effect is not so mild.

Panic Attacks can be caused by marijuana, but for other people with anxiety disorders/mood disorders it can alleviate the issue.

I'm not saying it's good for everyone. If you had read what I and some others posted you would have known its not good for everyone, just like all other medications.

 

[JohnKnox]

Umm, marijuana is not a narcotic. Vicodin is a narcotic.

Try telling that to narcotics divisions of police detachments all over the continent.

Have you seen all the commercials talking about paxil and other medications that have been recently discovered to have fatal side effects?

No. Were any of them not shown on Fox and not during police chases? I do remember a sister antidepressant, Prozac, getting a lot of bad press when it first came out. I get the feeling it didn't come to much.

Also. All the medications that I have taken and had negative side effects. Those effects were not the cause of a doctors mistake.

All medications anyone takes have side-effects, nearly all of which are negative. It's still a matter of the lesser of two evils.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

If you are prescribed Vicodin, Oxycontin, or morphine after an accident or surgery would you take it?

 

[AliceOfLegend]

All medications anyone takes have side-effects, nearly all of which are negative. It's still a matter of the lesser of two evils.

For many, Marijuana IS the lesser of two evils.

 

[JClover]

I'm gonna put my two cents in here. I've debated this issue with myself extensively and have seen some really valid points made here. I enjoy smoking recreationally only occassionally (5-6 times a year maybe) - although for most of my life I smoked daily - God has shown me that as a habit it is bad for me and has gradually taken it away over the past three years since my recommittment and surrender to Him.

One of the reasons I see it as a problem is in how it is perceived by non-Christians in my life - (I am careful to hide it from Christians in my life which indicates another problem) . I'm not sure of the exact scripture but there is a passage that talks quite clearly about not allowing ourselves to behave in a way that will cause us to be a poor witness - not to live in a way that will allow others to see us as hypocrites. I struggle because I do love Jesus very much and want to do my job of furthering His kingdom. I've come up with justifications (many I've seen here) to keep doing what I want - what makes me feel good.

This debate has made me see clearly that, at least for me, smoking pot is something selfish I do to make make myself feel good. It's in no way bringing me closer to God and is cheapening the awsome power that he's given me access to. It's distracting me from my God given destiny and undermining my witness.

Marijuana is a gift from God and is a miracle drug for those who need it medically. Like so many of his gifts it is used and abused and manipulated by those eager to exploit it.

 

[JohnKnox]

For many, Marijuana IS the lesser of two evils.

But who are these "many"? I'm thinking that you can only name them after the fact. The trick is knowing who they are before they are prescribed anything. And neither you nor medical professionals can do that w/out the proper data.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

What do you mean can only name them after the fact? You can never know exactly how ANY medication will affect someone until they have taken it.

P.S

You did not answer my question about taking Vicodin, Oxycontin or morphine.

 

[JohnKnox]

What do you mean can only name them after the fact? You can never know exactly how ANY medication will affect someone until they have taken it.

I mean, I think that you can only tell me who these people are who should be treated with marijuana after they've received the treatment, alleviated whatever ailment from which they were suffering, and then gone on for 20 or 30 years without developing any psychiatric disorders. That's not good enough. These data are needed before hand, and more data like that are available with pharmaceuticals. Furthermore, patients can be monitored. Blood tests can be taken. Pharmaceutical data can guide that process as well.

You did not answer my question about taking Vicodin, Oxycontin or morphine.

Not that this is that much about me, but yes, I suppose I would. However, now that you've told me that Vicodin derives from marijuana, my THC alarm would be going off, so I'd be asking a lot of questions about that.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

Umm when did I say that vicodin is made from marijuana?? I didn't. I was trying to tell you about NARCOTICS which is are usually opiate based Which is not a part of marijuana in ANY way. Please educate yourself some more before you start spouting off how bad marijuana is when you don't even know WHAT it is

 

[JohnKnox]

Umm when did I say that vicodin is made from marijuana?? I didn't. I was trying to tell you about NARCOTICS which is are usually opiate based Which is not a part of marijuana in ANY way. Please educate yourself some more before you start spouting off how bad marijuana is when you don't even know WHAT it is

Sorry, I misread that. A misunderstanding about Vicodin doesn't make one lacking in education about marijuana. If I lacked education, I'd be spouting off on marijuana apologetics and talking about the uncertainty about mainstream medicine as though it were in the same league as medicinal marijuana's uncertainty.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

Sorry, I misread that. A misunderstanding about Vicodin doesn't make one lacking in education about marijuana. If I lacked education, I'd be spouting off on marijuana apologetics and talking about the uncertainty about mainstream medicine as though it were in the same league as medicinal marijuana's uncertainty.

A lot of the things you have been saying do suggest you have a lack of education about marijuana.

Honestly, Most mainstream medication is more dangerous than marijuana in my eyes, I've been on a lot of different medications. "MAINSTREAM" medications at that. and have had very very adverse side effects to most of them.

The misconception that prescription meds are safer because they are doctor and fda approved, doesn't mean they are safe. Just look at all the deaths. suicides and other tragedies resulting from negative effects of prescriptions drugs,

 

[jimmydiggs]

If you want to get high Alice, just do it. Stop trying to justify.

It's illegal as of currently, and the law should be respected when not against divine imperative.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

If you want to get high Alice, just do it. Stop trying to justify.

It's illegal as of currently, and the law should be respected when not against divine imperative.

Hey guess what? Medical Marijuana is not illegal. Sorry.

 

[JohnKnox]

A lot of the things you have been saying do suggest you have a lack of education about marijuana.

Honestly, Most mainstream medication is more dangerous than marijuana in my eyes, I've been on a lot of different medications. "MAINSTREAM" medications at that. and have had very very adverse side effects to most of them.

The misconception that prescription meds are safer because they are doctor and fda approved, doesn't mean they are safe. Just look at all the deaths. suicides and other tragedies resulting from negative effects of prescriptions drugs,

I guess I just don't have access to all the data that you are keeping secret. For instance, I don't have access to the data that tells me that what I say shows I lack education about marijuana. I don't have access to the studies that prove that the studies about the dangers of cannabis are wrong. I also can't find any data about prescription drugs causing more per capita deaths and suicides than marijuana. I also haven't seen those commercials that say Prozac is lethal.
As for your own experiences: how many drs have you had, that you are apprehensive about the whole profession? You've had very bad side effects: fair enough. Like I said, they're plentiful. How many did permanent damage? If these questions are too personal, feel free to take them as rhetorical.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

I guess I just don't have access to all the data that you are keeping secret. For instance, I don't have access to the data that tells me that what I say shows I lack education about marijuana. I don't have access to the studies that prove that the studies about the dangers of cannabis are wrong. I also can't find any data about prescription drugs causing more per capita deaths and suicides than marijuana. I also haven't seen those commercials that say Prozac is lethal.
As for your own experiences: how many drs have you had, that you are apprehensive about the whole profession? You've had very bad side effects: fair enough. Like I said, they're plentiful. How many did permanent damage? If these questions are too personal, feel free to take them as rhetorical.

I'm not announcing any big secrets here. marijuana has medical properties. :O


Have you seen any reports of someone overdosing on marijuana?


I've had quite a few doctors. right now I have one thats a good fit and she is also smart, unlike a few others I've had.

Bad side effects from prescription drugs. lets see, my kidneys started shutting down as well as other organs and I was slowly dying. I am still experiencing complications from that medications and its been a few years. one medication made me have psychosis, a few gave me intense suicidal thoughts. some made me lose a significant amount of weight, which isn't healthy for me at all because I'm already tiny, and have stomach issues that can make eating impossible. some made my anxiety so bad that i couldn't leave the house at all.

Thats just to name a few.

I've been on a countless number of medication "cocktail" combos.

 

[JohnKnox]

Bad side effects from prescription drugs. lets see, my kidneys started shutting down as well as other organs and I was slowly dying. I am still experiencing complications from that medications and its been a few years. one medication made me have psychosis, a few gave me intense suicidal thoughts. some made me lose a significant amount of weight, which isn't healthy for me at all because I'm already tiny, and have stomach issues that can make eating impossible. some made my anxiety so bad that i couldn't leave the house at all.

Well, in that case, assuming that whatever you were treating was not worth risking the side effects you experienced, I would say it is very reasonable than an individual would have those opinions.

 

[AliceOfLegend]

I am not the only person with these opinions.


I don't see why you don't understand that marijuana can be used for good. Just like ALL OTHER MEDICATIONS.

they way you are arguing seems to imply that if you don't know for sure if it will work for you, you shouldn't take it.

if that were true no one should ever be prescribed any medication. you never know how any of it will work for sure, until you take it for a bit.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Potential medicinal uses, does not justify recreational use.

Medical Marijuana is not legal in ALL states.

 

[sandstorm7]

So I've read some of this post and I see that there are a lot of varying opinions on here. I want to share my personal experience with marijuana and my decision to cut it out of my life completely.

For the past year I have smoked weed almost every single day with my roommates. It became a habit for us and something we began to look forward to every night. But then I came to Jesus. I looked at my life from another perspective and this is what I saw: instead of spending my nights doing productive things, I was clouding my mind, altering my state, and making myself tired, lazy, and stupid. It doesn't matter that I was doing that every day, ANY day you smoke weed that's what it does to you. I knew who I WANTED to be and who I WAS and they didn't match. I wasn't going to be the godly influence on my friends that I wanted to be, I wasn't going to be the productive, intelligent woman I wanted to be... I needed to change. And a big step for me was cutting out weed. I knew I needed to but I knew it would be hard. Praise God for he freed me of those chains. He broke that habit for me and now, instead of a desire to smoke weed, I am repulsed by it and see the damage it can cause in people's lives, even as an occasional smoker. Even my friends now have begun to see sense in not smoking through the changes in my own life... and they have begun making efforts to cut down/stop as well. And I see how much happier it makes them. I think that it's easy to look for "loopholes" that seem to excuse smoking marijuana as not a sin... and maybe it's not one... but all I know is what it does to your mind and body, and why would you want to do that continually? Pretty sure God wants us to have clear minds so they can be filled with spiritual things... not clouded minds filled with stupidity. Just a thought.