I suppose being in two places ast one time would not fall under the heading of God's work?
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eternally-gratefull
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Ok lets look at this rationally
For it to be proven correct, you would have to prove no christian has ever been killed by those things, which you can not do, because we know this is not true.
All i have to do is show that not every christian has been spared. Which history shows is true.
You showed an example of 1 person. 1 does not equal all. You should know this and for you to say it proves me wrong, that is sad.
You have not proven anything, you gave one example to show you may be right, it takes much more than this because this fors far beyond one example,
The example you showed would be true whether the last part of mark was written or not, it was signs of the apostles. Which is spoken of in many other areas.
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WIbaptist
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Off the top of my head, the single word hell for various uses of the afterlife of non-believers, Satan, and his minions.
I remember reading some book about a guy who had a dream one night that he went on a missionary trip healing the sick and then woke up. In coming months or something, he ended up going on a missionary trip (to a place he has never been) and when he arrived the people said, "Welcome back." Let your mind work that one out.
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eternally-gratefull
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He does not realise the english language alone does not allow for a perfect translation without putting in alot of work, in reality, it would be twice as long and not a word for word translation. Because far to many greek words can not be tranlated by one english word, proven by the fact we have all the transliterations.
I don't believe it means all of them have to have never been killed by a snake. It means that such situations would come to pass, as testimony to the truth of His word. Its like saying that Christians would raise the dead, or something. Yes, they will, but it doesn't mean every single Christian is going to raise a dead person, speak in tongues, prophesy, or what have you.
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WIbaptist
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You will have to enlighten me. I missed the part about go forth and raise the dead.
More importantly, if the Lord guided you to, would you have enough faith to carry out the good work?
I remember reading some book about a guy who had a dream one night that he went on a missionary trip healing the sick and then woke up. In coming months or something, he ended up going on a missionary trip (to a place he has never been) and when he arrived the people said, "Welcome back." Let your mind work that one out.
I know of someone from my time reading and sharing theWord in the Rockies. He used to talk of how the assemblies had limited or even left out the Holy Spirit in their teaching rendering God's working among them as totally absent.
He had yellow hair, and folks called him yellow hair. One of the people with whom he had shared this with had been to Long's Peak to walk up the trial to the top. It was late afternoon and there were lots of people on the mountian going up.
It began to rain, so many pitched tents and stayed in them overnight, while some returned. About dusk my friend awoke to the voice of yello hair and he was again talking abut God, Jesus, and how the Holy Spirit was being forgotten. He juimped out of his alpine bag, ran ut to the nearest peple he fund andasked did you see a manwith yellow hair , carrying abook and talking about the power of the Holy Spirit. They replied yes, he went up the mountain.
When they got to the summit there was no one there. The only way back down was on the ame trail they came up or a seer cliff theother way.ñ
My friend went bhack to his campsite and asked yellow hair if he had been up to Log's Peak on that night, and he replied not, but he added, I was sleeping in the HOly Spirit and felt God' love on and in me all the night through....
I believe God uses the willing servant as He did backin the day.
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WIbaptist
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Hell, if memory serves me correctly, is derived from the goddess of the dea, Holle. Hades is from Greek mythology, the realm of the dead.
The translations I have read from Hebrew have the transliterated word, sheol, and also the word, pit, is used for the afterlife, or death.
We sleep with our predecessors, our fathers, until the resurrection…...Please do not come back with Yeshua's remark to the thief onthe cross………..
Matthew 10:7-8 speaks about raising the dead. Acts 20:7-12 shows Paul raising a dead young man.
I was also just giving an example of something that would be done through believers, but doesn't necessarily mean every single believer will do it. Such as the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
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eternally-gratefull
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It does not say this, that would be adding to the word
Mark 16:17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons;they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
It say they (those who believe, meaning anyone who believes) will, it does not say they might, or in This case maybe this will happen or some will some will not,
It says they will (not might) cast out demons
They will (not might) speak in tongues
They will (not might) take up serpants and drink poison and it will by no means harm them
They will (not might) lay hands on the sick
And the sick will (not might) be healed
I have to take word for what it says bro, if it is the word, if it is inaccurate, i must reject it as being part of the word.
They will and did, and do though, no? Why do you assume every single believer has to do these things (as if its a list that needs ticking off to validate the individual)? People do cast out devils. People do speak in tongues. People do get bitten and not die. People do lay hands on the sick and they do get healed. Every single one of the things you listed has occurred in church history.
I don't understand your interpretation that necessitates that a believer meet all of that criteria. God's word says that your sons will prophesy. Have all of our sons prophesied, young men had visions, and old men dream dreams? Some have, yes. It is speaking to what will occur through believers. It doesn't mean a believer will do all of those things.
It is not found in the oldest manuscripts........High probability that is has been added which = the book of Mark embellished by it's addition.
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eternally-gratefull
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Everyone whoever believed did and or continues to do these things? No my friend this is not true
I do not assume anything, the text says they will you would have to assume they will does not mean they will, in order to make it say something else
Miracles have happened from the beginning of time why should i think that will change
The passage says the ONES who believe WILL, it does not say some of them will, or they might.
Why do you ignore this? And continue to judge me for wanting to take the passage literally for what it says, especially since you think it is inspired?
I am just taking the word for what it says, i can not understand why you can not take a word you think is inspired as written, and are willing to change the passage to make it appear to be correct?
You do not need this passage to prove miracles happen.
Please explain. Hell is not Satan's dwelling place. Satan does not want to go to hell. Hell is a real place of fire and torment. See Luke 16.
Hell is so harsh, let's use hades or sheol...less harsh.
Men have been corrupting the word of God since the devil's 1st corruption in the Garden...........it only takes 1 word.....in this case the word was NOT........
Why should it be a surprise that the devil would/could use men to corrupt the word of God to the point that it either has no power to save, mold or transform men, or lead them down a path to their own demise by getting them to believe in something that was never given by God..........
My friend, I don't know how else to say this. Believers will walk the earth. Okay, so does that mean because a believer isn't literally walking the earth and are handicap, they aren't a believer? No. But believers do walk the earth. Much like how believers have healed the sick, raised the dead, spoken in tongues, and so on.
The way you're reading that verse forces it to mean something that isn't intended. It is a stating of facts. The way you're taking it literal and emphasizing it to be applicable individually as opposed to corporately, is incorrect.
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WIbaptist
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Satan isn’t in hades or hell right now. Hell is empty. Hades, where all the dead not saved by grace are, has an exponentially growing population. Hell is the eternal darkness and the lake of fire where the unsaved will go after judgement. There’s no distinction in the KJV. The word for everlasting only applies to the chains on the fallen angles yet KJV uses everlasting and eternal vs ages and other descriptors of the passage of time.