Maybe We Have The Wrong Conception Of Hell

[Kafziel]

I refuse to believe a loving God would be so harsh as to just burn everyone. A fair God would put everyone who did a certain sin together, so the punishment is the company you keep, because they're like you. Some people it's just their nature, so I would expect him to be merciful on them.

What are your thoughts?

 

[tourist]

The punishment for those that are unsaved will be as stated in the bible. Of course, there are many opinions on what the scriptures actually mean in regards to 'hell' or eternal punishment. My opinion is that hell is eternal separation from God, just not sure what form that would take.

 

[BonnieClaire]

I refuse to believe a loving God would be so harsh as to just burn everyone. A fair God would put everyone who did a certain sin together, so the punishment is the company you keep, because they're like you. Some people it's just their nature, so I would expect him to be merciful on them.

What are your thoughts?

I'm much less concerned with what God will do with the unsaved, and much more
concerned with what he has done for me by paying the penalty for my sins.

1 Peter 2:24
“He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins
and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” ~NIV

 

[Charlie24]

I refuse to believe a loving God would be so harsh as to just burn everyone. A fair God would put everyone who did a certain sin together, so the punishment is the company you keep, because they're like you. Some people it's just their nature, so I would expect him to be merciful on them.

What are your thoughts?

Jesus gave us the truth of Hell in Luke 16:19-31.

No matter how you see it, the rich man was in torment.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I refuse to believe a loving God would be so harsh as to just burn everyone. A fair God would put everyone who did a certain sin together, so the punishment is the company you keep, because they're like you. Some people it's just their nature, so I would expect him to be merciful on them.

What are your thoughts?

the Bible actually teaches that God is trying to save us from what we caused. It’s not that he’s throwing anyone in hell it’s that he’s telling us the truth that will save us from it

we need to come to the conclusion that we have a choice to repent and turn to God or continue in sin

Gods efforts have provided salvstion the only catch is we have to hear and believe him and live as if we do

we caused death and hell even as he was always warning us what not to do telling us what would result. The evil in the world and ahead for man after the world is caused by mankind choosing to follow Satan rather than God

he’s a savior but he’s not going to save us against our Will he’s told us how to be saved and said “ believe and be saved from what sin caused “

we’ve done much evil but we weren’t created to do any evil we were led astray and followed a lie when God had told us the truth. We need to start believing the truth now Gods Will is that all are saved but mans Will is to serve sin

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he can’t save us unless we repent so he’s wanting us to repent but we don’t want that we want to keep living as we always have defining our own right and wrong.


As we see if Gods Will is that all repent and none perish he hasn’t forced us either direction he’s given us the truth and Satan tells lies who we choose to follow is what’s going to determine our eternal Home

God doesn’t make us repent he calls us to repent and be saved we have to let the gospel into our belief because it’s a call to repentance and life and will lead us if we follow towards salvation

 

[Runningman]

I refuse to believe a loving God would be so harsh as to just burn everyone. A fair God would put everyone who did a certain sin together, so the punishment is the company you keep, because they're like you. Some people it's just their nature, so I would expect him to be merciful on them.

What are your thoughts?

John 3:16 is confirmation that those who do not believe in Jesus do not receive the gift of everlasting life, but, rather, they perish.

John 3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Perish in John 3:16 means kill or destroy. That means that unbelievers do not go on to receive everlasting life and are, therefore, not burning in eternal conscious torment.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

John 3:16 is confirmation that those who do not believe in Jesus do not receive the gift of everlasting life, but, rather, they perish.

John 3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Perish in John 3:16 means kill or destroy. That means that unbelievers do not go on to receive everlasting life and are, therefore, not burning in eternal conscious torment.

sounds pretty peaceful for them

 

[CS1]

I refuse to believe a loving God would be so harsh as to just burn everyone. A fair God would put everyone who did a certain sin together, so the punishment is the company you keep, because they're like you. Some people it's just their nature, so I would expect him to be merciful on them.

What are your thoughts?

two biggest lies of the Devil 1. There is no hell 2. there is no hell.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

two biggest lies of the Devil 1. There is no hell 2. there is no hell.

1 there is no hell

2 the wicked will not be resurrected

3 what you do whether good or evil doesn’t affect salvation

“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

4 the wicked will be destroyed and not conscious or aware of thier torment

“And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Charlie24]

John 3:16 is confirmation that those who do not believe in Jesus do not receive the gift of everlasting life, but, rather, they perish.

John 3:16
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Perish in John 3:16 means kill or destroy. That means that unbelievers do not go on to receive everlasting life and are, therefore, not burning in eternal conscious torment.

That is very much incorrect, Runningman!

To "perish" is speaking of spiritual death, which is the "second death." The first death would be a physical death, the second death is the spiritual death, which is the soul of man perishing.

Rev. 21:8

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

You see, there are 2 resurrections in Rev. 20, one for the just, who have escaped the second death, and the resurrection of the unjust.

It is made clear in Rev. 20:14-15,

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

The "second death" is spiritual death which is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire.

 

[Runningman]

sounds pretty peaceful for them

Not exactly. The second death will be painful until death occurs.

Revelation 2:11
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That is very much incorrect, Runningman!

To "perish" is speaking of spiritual death, which is the "second death." The first death would be a physical death, the second death is the spiritual death, which is the soul of man perishing.

Rev. 21:8

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

You see, there are 2 resurrections in Rev. 20, one for the just, who have escaped the second death, and the resurrection of the unjust.

It is made clear in Rev. 20:14-15,

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

The "second death" is spiritual death which is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire.

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41, 46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they aren’t going to be destroyed by the flame but tormented forever by it d trivet will Never ever ever find rest

 

[Runningman]

That is very much incorrect, Runningman!

To "perish" is speaking of spiritual death, which is the "second death." The first death would be a physical death, the second death is the spiritual death, which is the soul of man perishing.

Rev. 21:8

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

You see, there are 2 resurrections in Rev. 20, one for the just, who have escaped the second death, and the resurrection of the unjust.

It is made clear in Rev. 20:14-15,

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

The "second death" is spiritual death which is eternal separation from God in the lake of fire.

That's false.

Death doesn't mean eternal separation from God; you made that up. Got a verse that defines death as separation from God?

In addition to the sola scriptura proof that the unsaved do not live forever, per John 3:16, the definition of death in the context of the "second death" just means exactly what it says. Death is dying, or being killed, the end of someone's life and their consciousness. Perish means destroy or kill.

 

[Charlie24]

That's false.

Death doesn't mean eternal separation from God; you made that up. Got a verse that defines death as separation from God?

In addition to the sola scriptura proof that the unsaved do not live forever, per John 3:16, the definition of death in the context of the "second death" just means exactly what it says. Death is dying, or being killed, the end of someone's life and their consciousness.

You have much to learn from scripture, my friend!

 

[Runningman]

You have much to learn from scripture, my friend!

So do you my friend!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Not exactly. The second death will be painful until death occurs.

Revelation 2:11
11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

how long would it take if one fell into volcano of brimstone and fire ? Maybe ten seconds ? The lake of fire is going to be the most powerful fire and brimstone ever they couldn’t feel much for very long of it’s meant to destroy them forever

but I don’t know you could be right bro I’m not trying to argue or contend I just believe very differently concerning hell

but that’s ok I think when we have some different views we all believe in the important thkngs mostly the same. I hope you understand what I mean we’re going to find some differences in what we think and I believe that’s okay and eventually we will come closer in belief out the other things no matter who has the right view currently

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So do you my friend!

Me too lol

 

[SophieT]

may I ask what you mean by 'witnessed spirit' in your profile regarding salvation?

When saved: Witnessed spirit

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I refuse to believe a loving God would be so harsh as to just burn everyone. A fair God would put everyone who did a certain sin together, so the punishment is the company you keep, because they're like you. Some people it's just their nature, so I would expect him to be merciful on them.

What are your thoughts?

God is love but God is also just. Sin is lawlessness and it takes the individual out if perfection and out of Holiness.

For anyone to live with God, they must be holy, perfect, justified, and want to live in the presence of God.

Those in Hell chose Hell over God. They want to live without God. Scripture even says they will be gnashing their teeth as they will still be hating God.

When you say I believe then you are applying your morals to God when it should be the other way. Despite how we feel about Hell, it doesn't change who God is. If you hate God over how he judges the unsaved sinner, it doesn't make God disappear.