McMartin Preschool & Occult Ritual Abuse

ValleyAnt · Tuesday at 2:54 AM

I can confirm that this happens, if not from experience then from impartial reasoning. I was in a Rochester, NY church years ago where satanists were uncovered. They were five plants in the church and had been entrenched undetected for 15 years at the time. The current pastors had been there 11 years. I heard the previous pastor had been a satanist plant as well. While I was still going to that church, a ministry couple from Germany came to visit. God exposed them after they left as satanist plants who had come to curse the church after their compadres were discovered (look up Wegman's grocery stores for the link between people in New York and Germany).

That Rochester church was a small church, about 30 people on a good day, so why were so many satanists concentrated there? (Five resident in the church and two more coming to visit after the five were uncovered.) For that church, the reason was because the pastor's wife ministered to occult survivors, therefore, it was logical to expect that satanists would target their church. They constrict the life of God in all the churches they're assigned to which is practically every church. They've been successful for many years. Some day things will start to turn around and God will intervene in the institutional church system where occult plants are a massive problem.

shittim · Tuesday at 5:14 AM

ValleyAnt said:

Scripture is written in such a way that anyone can interpret almost anything almost any way. Focusing on things above has nothing to do with loving your neighbor as yourself. God charges humanity to love one another not just christians though the command to believers is much stricter.

In Amos 5, God tells Israel to stop 'focusing on Him' and to instead focus on their fellowmen. In Micah 6, God tells His people that-- contrary to religious belief-- if they put their fellowmen first rather than putting God first, they will by that be doing God's will. And in 1John 4, John tells believers that it is impossible for them to love God who they haven't seen if they don't first love their fellow believers (and fellowmen) who they can see.

Before Jesus ascended, He gave His followers instructions on what to do. The first one was to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Spirit. Ie. they were to focus on things down here because nothing 'up there' needs restoration; it's all things 'down here' that need restoration and people here who need to be saved. In Acts 1, when Jesus ascended, His disciples were gazing after Him. Who wouldn't? Elisha gazed after Elijah. It's our natural bent to 'look upwards'. But two angels appeared and said to them, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." The disciples then stopped gazing 'up there' and began to do what Jesus told them to do 'down here' which the angels were indirectly encouraging them to do. We can translate what the angels said this way to better understand in this context: "You guys don't need to be focusing 'up there'. That will become your focus but at a later time. Your focus needs to be around you, right here where you live."

While most people, like Cain for Abel, reject the sense of responsibility God naturally designed into them for their fellowmen, God's mandate to all people is to live with a sense of responsibility for their fellowmen. This is the baseline of what being a human is and is also one of the baselines for godliness. It's common sense. This mandate is much greater and more obligatory for christians: Jesus added a third 'great command' specifically for His Church stating, "As I have loved you, so you must love one another" (Jn. 13). This command is only for christians. christians, particularly, who reject this mandate are in extreme conflict with God and are rolling the dice. I think it's best to do what you know is right here and now than to disregard it and secretly hope that God isn't holy and to be feared but, rather, is nice and weak. I personally take God fairly seriously, and I think for christians that disregarding the 'first three/great commandments' is a very, very bad idea.

From scripture "we" Are not to interpret much of anything, we are to take ALL THINGS to Him for His guidance in ALL truth. That is the difference between a true believer and one who only has an outward form of Godliness, denying the power.

loveme1 · Tuesday at 10:23 AM

Our Lord cast out devils..

I think we overlook the darkness and how it presents in this world.

GOD is Almighty and the battle is won.

In the mean time it is not far fetched to think people willfully partake in darkness.

We have been conditioned to call people crazy for speaking up.

Society is conditioned and many voices have been silenced.

Misinform and create falsehood to cover up deeds. The way of the world at present.

Moses_Young · Wednesday at 8:25 AM

ResidentAlien said:

There's plenty of evidence of corrupt, complicit police and justice system to the highest levels. Honest investigators committing "suicide". Statues to demons are now worshipped in public and defended by corrupt courts, and you still can't believe Satanic abuse is occurring in secret? How will anyone be able to trust you about anything, if you can't see something so obvious, or are so stubborn as not to conduct even the most rudimentary of investigations?

ResidentAlien said:

This is what has led many to believe this to be true. Obviously, to assume anything anyone says is true would be silly. But to presume it is false simply because all the witnesses or investigators mysteriously "commit suicide" is similar folly.

ValleyAnt · Wednesday at 10:35 PM

Moses_Young said:

The ongoing Diddy case is actually reaching into the realm of ritual abuse. Several victims have publicly told of some of the satanic aspects of the Diddy enterprise. Changes are coming, and ritual abuse will eventually be exposed to the public and the common man more than it has been before.

MeowFlower · Wednesday at 10:49 PM

ValleyAnt said:

The thread title is unfair to truth. McMartin was a hoax that cost many victims a great deal.

https://medium.com/@ticklethebeastc...ng-the-satanic-ritual-abuse-hoax-66150cb89481

The Satanic Panic produced a great number of such victims.
It's a tragedy.

ValleyAnt · Wednesday at 10:59 PM

MeowFlower said:

I'm not here to argue. Truth speaks for itself, so let's allow everyone to investigate this topic and others for themselves without trying to steer or control people's thoughts, beliefs, and feelings on the issue. As we near the end of time, the light of discovery is only growing larger. It will eventually shine a light into every nook and cranny, and everything that exists-- good and bad-- will be visible for everyone to see and acknowledge.

Look for my post 'Exposing Occultism in Church' later tonight.

MeowFlower · Wednesday at 11:12 PM

ValleyAnt said:

I'm not here to argue either.

Everyone is entitled to the truth of the matter. And the truth of the matter as pertains to the McMartin school issue is, it was a hoax. Proven so.

That topic was investigated and proven to be a lie.

MeowFlower · Wednesday at 11:34 PM

What was the Satanic Panic?
https://www.gotquestions.org/Satanic-Panic.html

"....The general consensus about the Satanic Panic is that it was based on mostly unfounded fears and media hype. Looking back on the Satanic Panic from a biblical perspective, we can cite some lessons learned. One primary lesson is that we must not be too eager to allege (or believe allegations of) satanic or demonic activity. Instead, we should “examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; abstain from every form of evil” (1 Thessalonians 5:21–22, NASB). Thus, only after we have confirmed any testimony or claim to be true should we evaluate the content of that claim, in order to assess whether it represents a good or evil state of affairs."

A person known by various pseudonyms has promoted the Satanic Panic fear for years on Christian forums.

In one case they claimed one of their handlers was the Nazi Josef Mengele.

The 80's and 90's Satanic Panic started in Canada with the publication of a book alleging a girls diary reported ritual Satanic abuse over years. It too was proven a hoax.

Yes, there are warped people in this world. However we cannot take every claim that it was Satan at face value. And we certainly cannot claim to want the truth if we proceed in that venture by promoting a falsehood so to get the panic conversation started here.

shittim · Thursday at 2:28 AM

MeowFlower said:

greed, many were hurt in that hoax

ValleyAnt · Thursday at 3:12 AM

shittim said:

Solomon said, "The first one to plead his case seems right, until another comes and cross-examines him" (Pro. 18:17). Of course, this principle has broader applications than just the first person; in broader application: one person or group or side might seem right until the truth is exposed. If the McMartin case was re-tried without any backroom deals or fraud or cover-up or suppression or lies of any kind. Well.

There are only two types of people on earth:

A.) Lawyers. These people choose a side and defend it, often till death, and routinely pass judgments on any and everyone and on any and everything. They choose a side (eg. prosecution vs. defense, Democrat vs. Republican, pro-life vs. pro-choice, christians can have demons vs. christians can't have demons, McMartin Preschool allegations were real vs. McMartin Preschool allegations were false, etc.) and build up defenses (reasonings, arguments, justifications as to why they chose the side they did) so no one can extricate them from their position or belief. The religious leaders who hated Jesus were all lawyers (eg. they condemned Him simply because they didn't like His way of 'doing religion'). Most people, possibly about 90% of the world population, fall into this category.

B.) Judges. These people don't take sides; they are impartial and are only on the side of facts and so, unlike the first group, are eager and willing to hear both (or all) sides to an issue before making a judgment. The religious leaders who loved Jesus were all judges (eg. while the religious leaders were condemning Jesus, Nicodemus said to them, "Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?"). Unfortunately, very few people are judges. I encourage you to be a judge, just like the Bereans were, and to research things thoroughly until you have enough proof to build an indestructible case. (The beginning of that proof is simply having the truth.)

My favorite passage about being a judge (rather than a lawyer) is "Judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts" (1Cor. 4). 'Judge' there really means 'sentence'. We all judge 24/7, even while sleeping, so it's not simply saying to not judge. It's saying [no matter how you judge] don't pass a sentence. Only the judge (Jesus) is allowed to sentence. As humans, we should depend on Jesus to judge things that we don't really know. Depending on other people or ourselves isn't a good idea, especially on important issues. Occult ritual abuse (and its allegations) is an important issue. The fact is that all the real articles about McMartin, articles saying the children were right, have been scrubbed off the internet (maybe you can find one doing a deep search). Why would there be so many articles denying the allegations and no articles backing the allegations? Even the two pages I'd bookmarked, articles on the uncovered tunnels that confirmed the allegations, have been scrubbed. Here's one of them:

1.) http://www.religioustolerance.org/tunnels.htm.

But I've come bearing gifts via some people connected to the McMartin Preschool case and who still retain the original story as well as articles about it. As you have time:

2.) The McMartin Tunnels: https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/...-dr-roland-c-summit-journal-of-psychohistory/.

3.) The Cover-Up: https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/...ol-case-what-really-happened-and-the-coverup/.

Truth is friendly and sounds comforting to christians who love truth. It is harsh and threatening to anyone who hates truth or who doesn't want to live in the light of God's Word. Use your spiritual discernment. You don't even need spiritual discernment here; God gave everyone a soul and a spirit and even when unregenerated, your spirit can still discern (not as well) and the natural intuition in your spirit and soul will let you know if the above McMartin articles are true as opposed to contradicting articles that say, "It was all a panic." Indeed it caused a panic; in the enemy's camp.

shittim · Thursday at 7:28 AM

nothing happens in the past, everything in Christ is now and going forward.

MeowFlower · Thursday at 12:12 PM

shittim said:

They were arrested and held in custody for years too.

I think those who lied should have been jailed.
https://www.oxygen.com/uncovered-th...e/mcmartin-preschool-trial-where-are-they-now

MeowFlower · Thursday at 12:54 PM

The thread title is false and misleading when it is joined to, "& occult ritual abuse".
"AND", is a misnomer. The McMartin accusations were a proven KIE. And for it to be regurgitated in a thread title is dishonest. It is also slander and defamation because the accused in this case were proven to be victims of a calculated lie..

McMartin was the surname of the school founder. The thread title is yet another calculated falsehood designed to mislead members here who may not know the truth about this decades old proven hoax that ruined lives. And in at least in one case jnto then end of the life of the elderly Ms. McMartin, who never escaped the stigma a LIE painted her with.

The slanderers,iars, who made up these false allegations were the true Satanists.

Because it is evil incarnate to make up the claims that were levied against what were innocent people and using precious innocent children in their care.

MeowFlower · Thursday at 4:20 PM

MeowFlower said:

The thread title is false and misleading when it is joined to, "& occult ritual abuse".
"AND", is a misnomer. The McMartin accusations were a proven LIE. And for it to be regurgitated in a thread title is dishonest. It is also slander and defamation because the accused in this case were proven to be victims of a calculated lie.

McMartin was the surname of the school founder. The thread title is yet another calculated falsehood designed to mislead members here who may not know the truth about this decades old proven hoax that ruined lives. And in at least in one case unto the end of the life of the elderly Ms. McMartin, who never escaped the stigma a LIE painted her with.

The slanderers,iars, who made up these false allegations were the true Satanists.

Because it is evil incarnate to make up the claims that were levied against what were innocent people and using precious innocent children in their care.

I fixed the small typos in my original post here. Though LIE, was never posted as, KIE, as it appears in that original.

Very strange, yet fixed now.

MeowFlower · 2024-11-22T02:09:26-0500

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1_9.htm
Satanic Trappings and the Search for The Secret Rooms and Tunnels

The formal charges were wrapped in a conspiracy theory that portrayed the defendants as satanists who used the preschool as headquarters for a vast kiddie porn/prostitution empire that produced millions of child sex photos. The children were allegedly drugged and forced to participate in satanic rituals and sex games with teachers and strangers at both on and off campus locations. During those episodes the children encountered turtles, rabbits, lions, a giraffe, a sexually abusive elephant, dead and burned babies, dead bodies in mortuaries and graveyards, goat men, flying witches, space mutants, a movie star, and local politicians.

The on campus rituals allegedly occurred in secret rooms, located above and below ground, that were accessed by trap doors and underground tunnels. Some of those tunnels led to the street or to the garage of a neighboring triplex; from there the teachers transported the children by automobile on various felonious field trips, sometimes to distant locations arrived at via train, airplane (with the children packed tightly in crates) and hot air balloons. The children had been sworn to silence by threats against their parents' lives, illustrated by the killing and cutting up of small animals and a horse: "If you tell, this is what will happen to your parents!"

In March of 1985, a group of 40 to 50 McMartin parents led by Bob Currie arrived on the vacant lot next to the school to dig for animal remains and a secret underground room.40 Several days later, an archaeological firm hired by the District Attorney's Office began its own excavation. DA's investigators interviewed children on the school site and searched for trap doors.

No evidence was found to support the children's claims about underground tunnels or rooms.

shittim · 2024-11-22T03:32:48-0500

Amen, yet the lie continues to affect the easily duped.

ValleyAnt · 2024-11-23T02:09:10-0500

shittim said:

According to the Bible, the easily duped is anyone who doesn't fear God and keep His commandments (that's the brief version). The Bible says people reap what they sow. People who live life like this isn't true don't fear God (ie. don't take God seriously).

The Bible says that everything that is hidden will eventually be brought to light. It's starting to happen in the current P. Diddy case which is starting to implicate all types of trusted celebrities and public figures not only in iffy sexual practices but also in child molestation and trafficking as well as 'satanic ritual abuse' [of children and adults] including details about McMartin Preschool.

Somewhat similar to the Hampstead, London occult ritual abuse case that was heavily suppressed by the BBC, London police, and many others in spite of staggering evidence from the kids who reported, the events of McMartin have been very particularly protected. (You can find the video that started the exposure on YouTube by typing in '231 papa kills babies'. You'll also see there a video of the 'papa' in question and part of his interview with the BBC from whom he received strong support as a 'good father' of 'bad kids', basically.)

It's no mystery why so many occultists and their shills haven't suppressed the discovery of ritual abuse and child molestation and torture in similar cases to McMartin such as the Presidio Day Care and El Paso Day Care court cases but guard the McMartin Preschool case so extremely heavily to the point of killing and driving advocates of the McMartin children out of California: About 600 children from McMartin Preschool-- children who were attending and who had attended the preschool through the years-- alleged that the supposed christian family who owned the preschool were actually satanists who were abusing children. If this many children from one preschool were actually telling the truth, that would set a precedent and make it easy to believe that any child who alleged ritual abuse by adults, especially in professional settings (mainly child services of any kind), was telling the truth. If the McMartin case was reported without prejudice, bullying, murders, etc., it would have exposed satanism and child ritualistic abuse to the whole world and would make ritual abuse an actual legitimate crime that people could now report all across the country. Discredit McMartin and you discredit all ritual abuse allegations in professional settings.

The following video is just over an hour long and mentions the realities of ritual abuse at McMartin Preschool. Carter's testimony is similar to that of many ritual abuse survivors' and similar to the testimonies of those 400+ children from McMartin Preschool, including the tunnels, 'underground' being a normal feature in satanism. The video is definitely worth a watch for believers who are sincerely seeking God and who love the truth. The video is not for occultists posing as christians nor for christians who embrace lies and who are saving their life now only to lose it at the End:

shittim · 2024-11-23T03:25:17-0500

dupe
/doo͞p, dyoo͞p/
noun

A person who has been deceived.
(photography) A duplicate of a photographic image.
(restaurant industry) A duplicate of an order receipt printed for kitchen staff.

Holy Spirit guides in ALL truth, YT videos, not so much

Not tunnels or sacrificed animal burials, etc. were found

ValleyAnt · 2024-11-23T17:39:21-0500

shittim said:

Yes, the Holy Spirit guides into truth only those who want to know the truth. Like their masters (satan, other gods, etc.), occultists are contentious which means they approach God and others through adversarial lenses; they want to compete and contend. Just like non-occultists who are jealous of others, occultists take pride in their hatred for others. Such a level of error and stupidity is truly encouraging for those who want to live right and discouraging for those who care about humanity. satan is competing with God; God isn't competing with satan. Only the lesser contends against the greater. The greater doesn't contend with anyone as he is already above and those who contend below. This is a dynamic that satan, with all his narcissism, knows he can't get out of. He knows that contending with God proves he is the lesser, and he hates it. But he still keeps contending; because the lesser must do so and even he can't circumvent the way God has designed this to be true.

All the people who are supposed to be saved will be saved; satan isn't able to change that. He sees it as a contest: ie. who (between he and God) will get the most people (to eternal salvation or eternal damnation). All the christians who [actually] want to follow Jesus, those are the ones who are willing to see the truth-- about ritual abuse (and McMartin Preschool, etc.) and about everything else. You aren't able to get in the way of this. That is something that lucifer, despite all his brilliance, just can't wrap his mind around because his focus is hostility which is why he was demoted from lucifer (morning star, a name also given to Jesus) to simply satan; ie. adversary. He went from the nexus of physical light to simply being 'one who hates'. Would you be flattered if you were known for your jealousy.

The Holy Spirit only guides people into truth who want to know the truth. Occultists aren't able to hide the truth from people who want it. They are God's instruments to bring to light or manifest between those who want God and those who do not. But occultists are adversarial, therefore, they cannot see these facts just like satan was shown and knew that killing Jesus on the cross would be his downfall but was so adversarial that he just had to do it and seal his own fate. All satan had to do was let Jesus live to and die of old age and mankind would be lost in his grasp forever. But he, being brilliant, was much more adversarial which was his downfall. An adversarial nature shuts eyes (eyes of spirits and of people) to the reality or truth about God; they simply can no longer see and will be damned for it. (And God, knowing satan's nature, was able to predict to him his downfall way ahead of time-- from the very Garden-- because satan is controlled by rebellion (animosity against God) and therefore is at the mercy of folly, error, or 'bad decisions that will bring certain judgment'.) And so occultists also lose, being in error, because in spite of all the many things they've learned above everyone else and all the evil and crime they get away with, their adversarial nature prevents them from actually knowing or 'gettting it', that they have been set up (all of them by the enemy and some of them also by God).

Why do you think the Pharisees and the adversarial couldn't see the truth in front of them while the humble and those who weren't adversarial could? God, the cleverest of them all, set it up this way: Most christians don't want to know or walk in the truth; their fall or damnation is not credited to satan (like he thinks it is) but to God's wisdom who set everything up so that those who don't want Him will willfully choose damnation and those who do want Him will willfully choose salvation (eg. the 11th hour people, like the criminal on the cross with Jesus). This level of brilliance has no competitors. When fighter jets are shot at and want to evade the missiles, they let out what is known as 'chaff' which draws the missiles away from the jets, making them target the chaff instead and so miss the jets. Humans made this technology. Don't you think God also uses chaff to draw satan's focus away from what is actually precious to Him? The lack of understanding from 'enlightened ones' is fascinating but pre-purposed. This comment wasn't written for you but for those who want the truth. The Holy Spirit will bear witness to them of the truth of any and every thing (eg. occult ritual abuse and the large-scale satanic abuse of children at McMartin Preschool), and they will listen and follow how He 'guides' them. God hides the truth in such a way that only those who will be saved will be able to find it just like a woman [wants to save] herself for only one special man to discover. For all the people in the dark, God makes smart people stupid and stupid people smart. No one (human or spirit) is able to reverse, supersede, or circumvent God's Design.

"I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. 26 Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight. All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him" (Matthew 11:25-27).

"You [God], through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies (those who are adversarial), for they are ever with me. I have more understanding than all my teachers (theologians and philosophers currently alive), for Your testimonies are my meditation. I understand more than the ancients (theologians and philosophers long dead), because I keep Your precepts." (Psalm 119:98-100).

This is just the way it works. It is the only way it works. Goodbye.

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