Mental Illness Lies

[Eli1]

You are not able to converse all you can talk about is liberal this and liberal that and TDS.

I only say those when needed, which in your case, based on your comments are 100% needed.

Explain autism for the 'non-experts' and show us you knowledge on the topic while answering questions.
C'mon, it's a standard TV-format interview.

 

[Eli1]

See and you want to converse, I will NEVER, EVER trust you, you have shown who you are many times.

You said you want to 'ignore' yet here you are.
Grow up.

 

[Mem]

there are two commonly use drugs for first they usually try Ritalin which is terrible for a child to be on. It takes all the joy out of life. while Prozac was much better. Autism is sometimes accompted with schizophrenia so they will also prescribe Risperidone because it has less side effect then other anti psychotics. I think that the barrier between them and demons are weaker and they can sense energies we cant.

There was a time that Christian thought was integrated with the medical industry (among others), or so I've heard because I haven't seen it explicitly claimed in my lifetime. It obviously has since fallen away from any religious affiliation whatsoever, as not to 'discriminate' I suppose. And that seems to be to pity really, as more 'indiscriminate' options would otherwise be reckless choices.

 

[Ceph]

I feel like "mental illness" is on the rise because there are few things left in the world worth being 'sane' for.
The modern world requires indentured servitude and subscriptions to corporations, banks, and insurance companies to have a comfortable life. No one can live like their grandparents did without breaking some kind of artificial law.
The long arm of babylon has closed its grip on human life, and her chosen people are the carnal and conformant.

 

[Mem]

Why would you let a child bang there head against the wall and scream all day it there was a medication to help with the behaviour?

Sorry but I tire of the one track thinking.

Is the only solution to bring them to you?

 

[HeIsHere]

Is the only solution to bring them to you?

Maybe.

 

[Mem]

Maybe.

Idk, that seems to be a one-track answer to me really.

 

[Ceph]

Why would you let a child bang there head against the wall and scream all day it there was a medication to help with the behaviour?

Sorry but I tire of the one track thinking.

Why would I use a medication when I know that people successfully dealt with it before the medication was made?

 

[HeIsHere]

Idk, that seems to be a one-track answer to me really.

It is.

 

[HeIsHere]

Why would I use a medication when I know that people successfully dealt with it before the medication was made?

Yup.

 

[Ceph]

Yup.

It's an honest question.

 

[HeIsHere]

It's an honest question.

Okay, we will give it a try.

Yes they did and quite effectively if the intervention is early in life.

However, applied behavioral analysis (ABA), for instance, is also very expensive and not every child will benefit or make progress with that intervention.
It is a spectrum disorder often with associated cognitive impairment, so one diagnosis is one diagnosis, and no two people on the spectrum are the same.

What were the severity of their impairments?

 

[Daisy2]

Over lunch with a friend of mine we were discussing this same thing since he has 2 daughters which are 1st year in college and i have two boys who are going to college next year.
When he said the name of some condition (for one of his daughters) which i can't even pronounce i looked at him and i said "really?".
He said - trust me i'm the first skeptic but i checked with multiple doctors and it's a real condition.
Then i understood what he was saying.

So the question here is: how is Autism defined?
This is the first layer of discussion.

Then we can add Trump and pharmaceuticals later if needed. But as my friend who has a daughter with a real condition which affects her comprehension skills in college said : a lot of conditions are made up so the big pharma can make money.

For the conditions that are real and serious such as cancer, then there's the component of jobs.
Do you know how much an average treatment of cancer costs for a patient? Around $80,000 !
This is 1 patient. On average in 1 hospital, there are 2-3 floors with a total of ~100 patients.
This is 1 hospital.
Then think about all the hospitals in 1 state.
Then think about all the hospitals in USA! If you do the math it's billions of dollars in 1 day !
Now, this industry employs millions of people in different chains of the process.
So if someone, someday says "i found a cure for cancer" that person may be in danger of losing his life, which is why these changes have to come slow.

So, what are your thoughts about autism?

Autism that heavily impairs a person is not a made-up illness. It is a real disorder that currently cannot be cured, but there are treatments and strategies that can help reduce its impact and make life easier.

"When you've met one person with autism, you've met one"

My brother's friend in high school could only squeak, but he knew every single dinosaur that ever lived. That's what happens, they will often find some subjects they like and run with it until it's almost an obsession. My brother has 4. maps radio royalty and rock history. I bet you drop him by two intersections anywhere in the world and he would know where he was. Same with radio frequencies and rock history. Communication is the hardest; the conversation either loops in circles, where you tell him the answers he wants, or he's informing you of what he knows.


Sensory Sensitivities: My brother used to push. Then we all decided in his second year of middle school, we weren't going to have that. Someone could be hurt one day, so from then on, every chance we got, we were patting his head, leading him around. I remember he could only take us tugging on his sleeve at first, now he doesn't mind people holding his hand or brushing by him, he even offers handshakes to people he's just met. So he's now mostly normal in that sense.

Caffeine: should have its own section, as it practically ruined my childhood due to Sleep deprivation. Maybe it's because of brain chemistry, but caffeine is a definite no-no in our house. I cant stress enough on how it should never be allowed for children with autism. Even a bite of chocolate or a sip of Coke a cola, and he's going to be up all night with agitation.

People that has autism and have been institutionalized often had parents who just didn't care. Or didn't know better, or that they had a dangerous fixation, like light bulbs or antennas. Once when my brother was younger, i remember he climbed up a tree because he wanted a larger antenna. All the bushes in the yard were cut down because they interfered with the reception. My mom solved the fixation by buying the largest attena that was a used one from a ham radio operator (ham head) in the area. Maybe it's also the lengths to which people are willing to travel to keep their child. Another time he got a fixation on flushing everything down the toilet. Then one day he flushed a wooded egg. The toilet had to be removed from the salon. And he watched as my mom and I changed the toilet, and of course, the bathroom flooded always fun. And no one ate out that day, because the shop was closed. He didn't do it again.

It was a lot of learning lessons the hard way. But he's a lot more normal today. My mom friend did the opposite 20 years ago. When he finally got out of the institution, he was ruined nothing she could do would make him even a bit normal. They had a free ticket for any mother who wanted to drop their child in the institution with autism, for they wouldn't prescribe medication, they said, unless they were in a facility. My mom went around to every doctor until she found one who would prescribe medicine. She may have been even the first mother who asked for prozac because the doctor at the time said that they didn't typically prescribe that medication for autism. Those medications keep families together @Mem, you wouldn't believe how hard it was for my mother raising my brother. He was a runner; he ran away from every sound. It's a miracle he even survived childhood. Without a Safety Harness for Autism and Special Needs and medication, he wouldn't be here today. Imagine you had a child with autism, and it was like this, peter no, Peter!, PETER !!!. as you watch your children run straight towards a car or off something because he was trying to get away from people.

 

[Daisy2]

Why would I use a medication when I know that people successfully dealt with it before the medication was made?

And how did they deal with it? they locked the child in the house like they still do in some countries that no way of living and after 1890s -1990s they gave them to the institution's to raise neither are effective treatments

 

[HeIsHere]

Autism that heavily impairs a person is not a made-up illness. It is a real disorder that currently cannot be cured, but there are treatments and strategies that can help reduce its impact and make life easier.

"When you've met one person with autism, you've met one"

My brother's friend in high school could only squeak, but he knew every single dinosaur that ever lived. That's what happens, they will often find some subjects they like and run with it until it's almost an obsession. My brother has 4. maps radio royalty and rock history. I bet you drop him by two intersections anywhere in the world and he would know where he was. Same with radio frequencies and rock history. Communication is the hardest; the conversation either loops in circles, where you tell him the answers he wants, or he's informing you of what he knows.


Sensory Sensitivities: My brother used to push. Then we all decided in his second year of middle school, we weren't going to have that. Someone could be hurt one day, so from then on, every chance we got, we were patting his head, leading him around. I remember he could only take us tugging on his sleeve at first, now he doesn't mind people holding his hand or brushing by him, he even offers handshakes to people he's just met. So he's now mostly normal in that sense.

Caffeine: should have its own section, as it practically ruined my childhood due to Sleep deprivation. Maybe it's because of brain chemistry, but caffeine is a definite no-no in our house. I cant stress enough on how it should never be allowed for children with autism. Even a bite of chocolate or a sip of Coke a cola, and he's going to be up all night with agitation.

People that has autism and have been institutionalized often had parents who just didn't care. Or didn't know better, or that they had a dangerous fixation, like light bulbs or antennas. Once when my brother was younger, i remember he climbed up a tree because he wanted a larger antenna. All the bushes in the yard were cut down because they interfered with the reception. My mom solved the fixation by buying the largest attena that was a used one from a ham radio operator (ham head) in the area. Maybe it's also the lengths to which people are willing to travel to keep their child. Another time he got a fixation on flushing everything down the toilet. Then one day he flushed a wooded egg. The toilet had to be removed from the salon. And he watched as my mom and I changed the toilet, and of course, the bathroom flooded always fun. And no one ate out that day, because the shop was closed. He didn't do it again.

It was a lot of learning lessons the hard way. But he's a lot more normal today. My mom friend did the opposite 20 years ago. When he finally got out of the institution, he was ruined nothing she could do would make him even a bit normal. They had a free ticket for any mother who wanted to drop their child in the institution with autism, for they wouldn't prescribe medication, they said, unless they were in a facility. My mom went around to every doctor until she found one who would prescribe medicine. She may have been even the first mother who asked for prozac because the doctor at the time said that they didn't typically prescribe that medication for autism. Those medications keep families together @Mem, you wouldn't believe how hard it was for my mother raising my brother. He was a runner; he ran away from every sound. It's a miracle he even survived childhood. Without a Safety Harness for Autism and Special Needs and medication, he wouldn't be here today. Imagine you had a child with autism, and it was like this, peter no, Peter!, PETER !!!. as you watch your children run straight towards a car or off something because he was trying to get away from people.

Parents who have children on the extreme end of the autism spectrum, well my heart just goes out to them.
I cannot fault any parent for seeking relief and trying medication, they all have side effects and I can tell you it is so hard for parents to make this decisions, no parent wants their child on medication if other alternatives are possible.

Some parents are on call 24/7 with no relief.
I do think there are other medications that have been developed in the past few years,
the best option would be to find the cause since the prevalence has been rising steadily.

 

[HeIsHere]

And how did they deal with it? they locked the child in the house like they still do in some countries that no way of living and after 1890s -1990s they gave them to the institution's to raise neither are effective treatments

I have had many parents tell me in confidence they lock their child in the bedroom at night and they worry about the consequences.

 

[Eli1]

Okay, we will give it a try.

Yes they did and quite effectively if the intervention is early in life.

However, applied behavioral analysis (ABA), for instance, is also very expensive and not every child will benefit or make progress with that intervention.
It is a spectrum disorder often with associated cognitive impairment, so one diagnosis is one diagnosis, and no two people on the spectrum are the same.

What were the severity of their impairments?

What is applied behavioral analysis? Can you explain it?
How is this spectrum disorder defined? Can you explain it?
Also, who are you talking to in your last question?

 

[Ceph]

Okay, we will give it a try.

Yes they did and quite effectively if the intervention is early in life.

However, applied behavioral analysis (ABA), for instance, is also very expensive and not every child will benefit or make progress with that intervention.
It is a spectrum disorder often with associated cognitive impairment, so one diagnosis is one diagnosis, and no two people on the spectrum are the same.

What were the severity of their impairments?

I was thinking of something like a father carefully observing their child and working with elbow grease & the rod of loving discipline to set them straight. No two people are the same no mater who they are, but we are formed with the help of how others interact with us.

An arbitrary program is nothing compared to a sincere & intimate relationship, and impairment is nothing against consideration & patience. At one pont we were clueless babies and now we are men. You weren't conditioned to be the person you are before, but you just are now.

One day you might lose everything and become as one of the troubled people you treat. You just don't know.
Drugs might help you get there and drugs might help you out, but they aren't necessary.

 

[Eli1]

Autism that heavily impairs a person is not a made-up illness. It is a real disorder that currently cannot be cured, but there are treatments and strategies that can help reduce its impact and make life easier.

"When you've met one person with autism, you've met one"

My brother's friend in high school could only squeak, but he knew every single dinosaur that ever lived. That's what happens, they will often find some subjects they like and run with it until it's almost an obsession. My brother has 4. maps radio royalty and rock history. I bet you drop him by two intersections anywhere in the world and he would know where he was. Same with radio frequencies and rock history. Communication is the hardest; the conversation either loops in circles, where you tell him the answers he wants, or he's informing you of what he knows.


Sensory Sensitivities: My brother used to push. Then we all decided in his second year of middle school, we weren't going to have that. Someone could be hurt one day, so from then on, every chance we got, we were patting his head, leading him around. I remember he could only take us tugging on his sleeve at first, now he doesn't mind people holding his hand or brushing by him, he even offers handshakes to people he's just met. So he's now mostly normal in that sense.

Caffeine: should have its own section, as it practically ruined my childhood due to Sleep deprivation. Maybe it's because of brain chemistry, but caffeine is a definite no-no in our house. I cant stress enough on how it should never be allowed for children with autism. Even a bite of chocolate or a sip of Coke a cola, and he's going to be up all night with agitation.

People that has autism and have been institutionalized often had parents who just didn't care. Or didn't know better, or that they had a dangerous fixation, like light bulbs or antennas. Once when my brother was younger, i remember he climbed up a tree because he wanted a larger antenna. All the bushes in the yard were cut down because they interfered with the reception. My mom solved the fixation by buying the largest attena that was a used one from a ham radio operator (ham head) in the area. Maybe it's also the lengths to which people are willing to travel to keep their child. Another time he got a fixation on flushing everything down the toilet. Then one day he flushed a wooded egg. The toilet had to be removed from the salon. And he watched as my mom and I changed the toilet, and of course, the bathroom flooded always fun. And no one ate out that day, because the shop was closed. He didn't do it again.

It was a lot of learning lessons the hard way. But he's a lot more normal today. My mom friend did the opposite 20 years ago. When he finally got out of the institution, he was ruined nothing she could do would make him even a bit normal. They had a free ticket for any mother who wanted to drop their child in the institution with autism, for they wouldn't prescribe medication, they said, unless they were in a facility. My mom went around to every doctor until she found one who would prescribe medicine. She may have been even the first mother who asked for prozac because the doctor at the time said that they didn't typically prescribe that medication for autism. Those medications keep families together @Mem, you wouldn't believe how hard it was for my mother raising my brother. He was a runner; he ran away from every sound. It's a miracle he even survived childhood. Without a Safety Harness for Autism and Special Needs and medication, he wouldn't be here today. Imagine you had a child with autism, and it was like this, peter no, Peter!, PETER !!!. as you watch your children run straight towards a car or off something because he was trying to get away from people.

THANK YOU for engaging the topic Daisy.
Daisy, a lot of what you have described are simply behavioural and character traits that exist in every person. Have you asked why it's necessary to label these traits of the human condition as some sort of 'illness'?
I mean, i would call them gifts.
For example your brother or your mother sometimes have the gift to log in as you and say stuff on your behalf sometimes.
They have the gift to know technology better then you. Why would you call them 'sick'?
Would you be able to explain the reasoning as to WHY what you explain is some sort of 'illness'?
A lot of inventions made today are made by people with those characteristics that you described.

 

[Eli1]

And how did they deal with it? they locked the child in the house like they still do in some countries that no way of living and after 1890s -1990s they gave them to the institution's to raise neither are effective treatments

This isn't normal either. No one is saying that locking up the child is normal.
What we are discussing is why do we need to give any sort of meds for simple human behavior.