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A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.

2I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3;Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. 5You will flee by my mountain valley, for it will extend to Azel. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

6;On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. 7 It will be a unique day—a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light.

8On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

9The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

10The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.

12This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14;Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.

16;Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17;If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord Almighty. Zech14

Zechariah 14 is a mix of prophecies covering a range of time. The first 3 verses are referring to the Maccabee wars, or possibly the Roman war.

Christ stood on the Mt of Olives may times as described in verse 4

Zechariah 14:5 is a mistranslation from a corrupted text. Explained here:


Verses 6-21 pertain to the day of the lord and the millenium
 
he land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14and all the rest of the clans and their wives.

You think the above was fulfilled at the time of Christ?

I just explained in the previous post that it was fulfilled at Christ's death.
 
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Zechariah 14 is a mix of prophecies covering a range of time. The first 3 verses are referring to the Maccabee wars, or possibly the Roman war.

Christ stood on the Mt of Olives may times as described in verse 4

Zechariah 14:5 is a mistranslation from a corrupted text. Explained here:


Verses 6-21 pertain to the day of the lord and the millenium
No, it is quite plainly written. You said all Israelites who had returned to the land were under the new covenant. Not so, half of them would go into exile, so that half had not been chosen to remain. Verse 12 describes what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
 
No, it is quite plainly written. You said all Israelites who had returned to the land were under the new covenant. Not so, half of them would go into exile, so that half had not been chosen to remain. Verse 123 describes what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

No I didn't. Only the believing remnant of Israel entered into the new covenant with God. The rest were broken off from the Israel of God.
 
No I didn't. Only the believing remnant of Israel entered into the new covenant with God. The rest were broken off from the Israel of God.
''This is describing the new covenant salvation of a remnant of Israel that had returned from exile to the land and who believed in the promised messiah. :''
 
he land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14and all the rest of the clans and their wives.

You think the above was fulfilled at the time of Christ?
I believe that's talking about Jesus 2nd coming, the ethnic israel will finally repent and mourn. All in God's big plan.
 
Correct, because no one can claim that land according to Bible right now, then go by 10 commandments, thou shall not steal, murder, covet....

All id under God's sovereign plan, including Jesus crucifixion, and resurrection. But God will hold His people accountable.

Like I keep saving, God do not need us to nail Him to the cross. And if we do and still claim to be His people, He will hold us accountable.

We can't commit murdering / raping at the same time claiming we obey God.

So you hold to two separate peoples of God?
 
Very good. This is Jesus 2nd coming, the remnant of ethnic jews will finally repent and mourn for the one they pierced, they will mourn big time for their families that passed, who rejected Jesus.

Then I will pour out on the house of David (beloved) and on the people of Jerusalem (city of peace) a spirit {ruach} of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me (to Me), the One they have pierced <Jhn 19:37>. They will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
Annotated Bible Zech12:10

How can people thousands of years into the future be held accountable for something they did not do. ....I do not believe God punishes future generations for the sins of long past ancestors.
 
Palestinians not an ethnic group?

Great!

Perhaps they will fulfill what Moses said:

But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says:
"I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation,
I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”


Imagine what the Jews will think when the Palestinians are accepted by God, in Christ, before them!

It's talking about the Gentiles.
 
It is your misunderstanding of the Bible that is truly the problem. Hopefully, you will seriously consider what I said to you in my last response.

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The land promise was to the Jews. I've had plenty nasty comments from many here, so I do appreciate your kindness. From the verses I read the Bible says that the land belongs to the Jews and that God will keep His promise.
 
Palestinians not an ethnic group?

Great!

Perhaps they will fulfill what Moses said:

But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says:
"I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation,
I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.”


Imagine what the Jews will think when the Palestinians are accepted by God, in Christ, before them!

Palestinians are gentiles, lol.
 
Then I will pour out on the house of David (beloved) and on the people of Jerusalem (city of peace) a spirit {ruach} of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me (to Me), the One they have pierced <Jhn 19:37>. They will mourn for Him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for Him as one grieves for a firstborn son.
Annotated Bible Zech12:10

How can people thousands of years into the future be held accountable for something they did not do. ....I do not believe God punishes future generations for the sins of long past ancestors.
They mourn. They repent at the time of Jesus 2nd coming.
Just as we repent when we were first saved. It was our sin that nailed Jesus on the cross.
the ethnic unbelieving jews, they nailed Jesus on the cross yesterday, today, .... until they repent and realize it. They are still saying Jesus is in hell today, you can look up this in today's Jewish teaching -> talmud.
 
Show that verse please with that promise


9And the LORD said to him, “Bring Me a heifer, a goat, and a ram, each three years old, along with a turtledove and a young pigeon.”

10So Abram brought all these to Him, split each of them down the middle, and laid the halves opposite each other. The birds, however, he did not cut in half. 11And the birds of prey descended on the carcasses, but Abram drove them away. 12As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and suddenly great terror and darkness overwhelmed him.

17When the sun had set and darkness had fallen, behold, a smoking firepot and a flaming torch appeared and passed between the halves of the carcasses. 18On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your descendants I have given this land—from the river of Egypt to the great River Euphrates— 19the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites, and Jebusites.”
 
The land promise was to the Jews. I've had plenty nasty comments from many here, so I do appreciate your kindness. From the verses I read the Bible says that the land belongs to the Jews and that God will keep His promise.
If he truly promised them the land in the manner which you currently believe, then how do you explain him overthrowing more than 600,000 Israalites in the wilderness? They never stepped foot in the promised land. Did God renege on his promise, or are you misinterpreting the promise? Again, the promise was to Abraham's seed, and in the third chapter of Galatians, the Apostle Paul told us that Abraham's seed is Christ and those who are truly in him, whether Jew or Gentile.

As far as my kindness is concerned, you're welcome. You seem like a nice woman. There is no need for nastiness when people are discussing scripture.​
 
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