More about Israel.

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The promise was to Abraham and to his descendants. There was no religion, just followers of God, he went with his wife and nephew and a few others possibly servants, slaves etc.…

There was no such thing as Jews that was invented around 6/7 century at best.

Jeremiah 31: 31 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant

(That implies that the previous convent has been abrogated – if a forever / everlasting covenant then no need for a new covenant)


Leviticus 25:23 The land, moreover, shall **not be sold permanently,** for the land is Mine; for you are but aliens and sojourners with Me.

(land is temporary)


Matt 21:43 Therefore, say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

(taken away)


There is no pure blood line as Jews like to portray, the bible clearly shows conversion, mixed marriages and after destruction most converted to Christianity and thereafter Islam – your talking thousands of years of mixing.

Tamar Canaanite, Ruth Moabite, Boaz, was the son of a prostitute, Rahab, Bathsheba Hittie to name a few.

(Abraham was to have many nations – not 1 race of Jews)

New Covenants don't make Old Covenants obsolete unless God says so. Here's the current status of the Old Covenants:

Jesus replaced the Mosaic Covenant because it was a temporal and conditional arrangement that Israel failed to keep, whereas the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants are sovereign, unconditional, and eternal. The New Testament explicitly identifies the Mosaic Law as obsolete and replaced, while affirming that the promises to Abraham and David find their ultimate fulfillment in Christ without being terminated.

The Mosaic Covenant is described as the "Old Covenant" that is obsolete and ready to vanish away because it was broken by Israel. Jesus instituted the New Covenant, which supersedes the Mosaic system of law and sacrifice.

• Hebrews 8:13: "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
• 2 Corinthians 3:11: "For if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with glory... will not the ministry of the Spirit have more glory?"
• Hebrews 7:18-19: "There is, then, a setting aside of a former commandment... for the law made nothing perfect, but a bringing in of a better hope does."
• Jeremiah 31:32: God states the New Covenant is not like the covenant He made with their fathers when He brought them out of Egypt (the Mosaic Covenant), "which they broke."

The Abrahamic Covenant is everlasting and unconditional. The Mosaic Law did not annul it but was a temporary addition (a "codicil") until Christ came. The New Covenant is essentially the fulfillment and extension of the Abrahamic promise to all nations.

• Galatians 3:17: "This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void."
• Genesis 17:7: "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you... for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you."
• Hebrews 6:13-14: God swore by Himself to Abraham, promising to bless and multiply him, an oath that "cannot change, because it is impossible for God to lie."
• Galatians 3:29: "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."

The Davidic Covenant guarantees an eternal throne for David’s lineage. Jesus, as the Messiah from David’s line, fulfills this promise by reigning forever, meaning the covenant is confirmed and perpetuated, not terminated.

• 2 Samuel 7:16: "And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me. Your throne shall be established forever."
• Luke 1:32-33: "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High... and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end."
• Acts 2:30: "Being therefore a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne."
• Hebrews 1:8: Referring to the Son (Jesus), God says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever."

 

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Here is a continued list of Bible verses showing God/Jesus continuing to keep the Land Covenant promises to Israel:

• Genesis 12:1, 7; 13:14-15; 15:18; 17:7-8; 26:3-4; 28:13; 48:3-4; 50:24: The foundational unconditional promises of the land to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as an everlasting possession.
• Exodus 6:4, 8; 13:5; 33:1: Reaffirmations of the covenant oath to give the land of Canaan to the descendants of the patriarchs.
• Leviticus 26:42: God’s promise to remember His covenants with Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham, and consequently the land itself.
• Numbers 10:29; 11:12; 14:23-24; 32:11-12: References to the oath-bound promise of the land, noting that only Joshua and Caleb would enter due to faithfulness.
• Deuteronomy 1:8, 21; 4:1, 5, 14, 21-22; 6:10; 8:1, 7, 10; 9:1; 29:1; 31:20, 23: Moses’ repeated commands to possess the land and reminders of God’s sworn oath to their fathers.
• Joshua 1:2-6, 11, 15; 2:9; 5:6; 10:42; 11:23; 21:43-45; 22:4: Historical accounts of the initial fulfillment of the promise under Joshua, noting that "not a word failed."
• Judges 2:1: God’s reminder that He brought them into the land He swore to their fathers and will not break His covenant.
• 1 Kings 8:40; 2 Kings 21:8: Solomon’s prayer and God’s warning to Manasseh regarding the permanence of the land grant.
• Psalm 135:12; 136:21-22; 147:2: Praise for God giving the land as a heritage to His servant Israel.
• Isaiah 11:11-12; 14:1; 27:13; 43:5-6; 60:21; 66:22: Prophetic promises of regathering Israel to their land and their eternal possession of it.
• Jeremiah 16:14-15; 25:5; 30:3, 18; 31:35-37; 32:15, 41; 33:14: Prophetic assurances of return from captivity, restoration of possession, and the irrevocable nature of the land promise.
• Ezekiel 11:14-17; 20:33-38; 34:13; 36:24, 28; 37:21, 25; 39:25-26: Visions of spiritual and physical restoration, including the gathering of Israel from the nations to possess their own land.
• Hosea 3:4-5; 14:5-7: Promises of future repentance and restoration to dwell securely in the land.
• Joel 3:1-2, 17-18: Prophecies concerning the restoration of Judah and Jerusalem and their eternal security in the land.
• Amos 9:14-15: The promise to plant Israel in their land so they shall no longer be uprooted.
• Micah 4:1-2, 6-7; 5:7-8: Visions of the latter days where Israel will dwell securely in their land.
• Obadiah 1:17, 20: Prophecy of Israel’s possession of the lands of their adversaries.
• Habakkuk 3:13: Reference to God’s anointed one and the land.
• Zephaniah 3:19-20: Promise to restore fortunes and gather Israel, causing them to be praised in all the earth.
• Haggai 2:7: God’s promise to shake the nations and fill the land with glory.
• Zechariah 8:3-8, 10-15; 9:8, 12; 10:6-10: Promises of Jerusalem’s restoration, the regathering of Judah and Joseph, and their dwelling securely in the land.
• Malachi 3:10; 4:1-3: Final prophetic references to blessings in the land and the day of the Lord.
• Matthew 19:28 / Luke 22:29–30 — Jesus says that when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, the apostles will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
• Acts 1:6–7 — The disciples ask Jesus directly, "Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" He does not deny it; He only says the timing is the Father's to determine.
• Acts 3:21 — Peter declares that Jesus "must remain in heaven until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from of old."
• Acts 15:14–17 — James quotes Amos 9:11–12: "After these things I will return and rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen… so that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord."
• Romans 11:25–29 — Paul explains that Israel's blindness is partial and temporary; "all Israel will be saved" (v. 26), and "the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable" (v. 29).
• Luke 1:32–33 — The angel tells Mary that the Lord God will give Jesus the throne of his father David and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever.

 

[Needevidence]

New Covenants don't make Old Covenants obsolete unless God says so. Here's the current status of the Old Covenants:

Jesus replaced the Mosaic Covenant because it was a temporal and conditional arrangement that Israel failed to keep, whereas the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants are sovereign, unconditional, and eternal. The New Testament explicitly identifies the Mosaic Law as obsolete and replaced, while affirming that the promises to Abraham and David find their ultimate fulfillment in Christ without being terminated.

The Mosaic Covenant is described as the "Old Covenant" that is obsolete and ready to vanish away because it was broken by Israel. Jesus instituted the New Covenant, which supersedes the Mosaic system of law and sacrifice.

• Hebrews 8:13: "In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
• 2 Corinthians 3:11: "For if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with glory... will not the ministry of the Spirit have more glory?"
• Hebrews 7:18-19: "There is, then, a setting aside of a former commandment... for the law made nothing perfect, but a bringing in of a better hope does."
• Jeremiah 31:32: God states the New Covenant is not like the covenant He made with their fathers when He brought them out of Egypt (the Mosaic Covenant), "which they broke."

The Abrahamic Covenant is everlasting and unconditional. The Mosaic Law did not annul it but was a temporary addition (a "codicil") until Christ came. The New Covenant is essentially the fulfillment and extension of the Abrahamic promise to all nations.

• Galatians 3:17: "This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void."
• Genesis 17:7: "And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you... for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you."
• Hebrews 6:13-14: God swore by Himself to Abraham, promising to bless and multiply him, an oath that "cannot change, because it is impossible for God to lie."
• Galatians 3:29: "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."

The Davidic Covenant guarantees an eternal throne for David’s lineage. Jesus, as the Messiah from David’s line, fulfills this promise by reigning forever, meaning the covenant is confirmed and perpetuated, not terminated.

• 2 Samuel 7:16: "And your house and your kingdom shall be made sure forever before me. Your throne shall be established forever."
• Luke 1:32-33: "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High... and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end."
• Acts 2:30: "Being therefore a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne."
• Hebrews 1:8: Referring to the Son (Jesus), God says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever."

Your missing the point none of the covenants are - everlasting / forever - that’s a misunderstanding of the word 'olam' which correctly implies 'long duration'

 

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Your missing the point none of the covenants are - everlasting / forever - that’s a misunderstanding of the word 'olam' which correctly implies 'long duration'

They are everlasting as long as the earth exists, which is why the Bible says...

Jeremiah 31:35-36

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

We see God/Jesus fulfilling His promises to Israel on the earth after His return. The Bible says that Jesus will be King over all the earth in Zechariah 14:9. In Revelation 20, it's referred to as the 1,000 years (otherwise known as the Covenant of Peace in the OT) or what theology calls the Millennial Kingdom period on earth.

As Revelation 20 shows, once that 1,000 years on earth are over, all are judged, Satan, Hell and Death are thrown into the Lake of Fire and then we see the Millennial Kingdom on earth transition to the Kingdom of Heaven in Revelation 21 and 22.

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[Needevidence]

They are everlasting as long as the earth exists, which is why the Bible says...

Jeremiah 31:35-36

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

We see God/Jesus fulfilling His promises to Israel on the earth after His return. The Bible says that Jesus will be King over all the earth in Zechariah 14:9. In Revelation 20, it's referred to as the 1,000 years (otherwise known as the Covenant of Peace in the OT) or what theology calls the Millennial Kingdom period on earth.

As Revelation 20 shows, once that 1,000 years on earth are over, all are judged, Satan, Hell and Death are thrown into the Lake of Fire and then we see the Millennial Kingdom on earth transition to the Kingdom of Heaven in Revelation 21 and 22.

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Show we where it says ‘unconditional’ in the OT?

Of course a new covenant makes the previous obsolete - an additional covenant is different

Jer 31:31-32 “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors (so change to the covenant NOT addition)


The covenant came with a condition;

exodus 19:5-6 – “if you obey me fully and keep my covenant,..”


Deut 11:26-27 - 26 See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse—

27 the blessing if you obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you today;

28 the curse if you disobey the commands of the LORD your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.

Jeramiah 11:10 – they have turned back going after other Gods – how could they have broken my covenant

 

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Show we where it says ‘unconditional’ in the OT?

Of course a new covenant makes the previous obsolete - an additional covenant is different

Jer 31:31-32 “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors (so change to the covenant NOT addition)


The covenant came with a condition;

exodus 19:5-6 – “if you obey me fully and keep my covenant,..”


Deut 11:26-27 - 26 See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse—

27 the blessing if you obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you today;

28 the curse if you disobey the commands of the LORD your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.

Jeramiah 11:10 – they have turned back going after other Gods – how could they have broken my covenant

Exactly .

 

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Show we where it says ‘unconditional’ in the OT?

Of course a new covenant makes the previous obsolete - an additional covenant is different

Jer 31:31-32 “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors (so change to the covenant NOT addition)


The covenant came with a condition;

exodus 19:5-6 – “if you obey me fully and keep my covenant,..”


Deut 11:26-27 - 26 See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse—

27 the blessing if you obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you today;

28 the curse if you disobey the commands of the LORD your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.

Jeramiah 11:10 – they have turned back going after other Gods – how could they have broken my covenant

Galatians 3 spells it out for you:

Galatians 3:14-18

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

God made a promise to Abraham before Jacob/Israel came into being. He upholds his promises for two reasons. One for the sake of the fathers, and one for His own names' sake.

For the Sake of the Fathers:

• Genesis 26:24 – "I am the God of your father Abraham; do not fear... I will bless you and multiply your descendants for My servant Abraham's sake."
• Psalm 105:42 – "For He remembered His holy promise, And Abraham His servant," leading to the deliverance of Israel.
• Luke 1:73 – Zechariah prophesies that God granted salvation "The oath which He swore to our father Abraham."
• Deuteronomy 29:13 – God establishes His people "just as He has sworn to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob."
• Isaiah 45:4 – "For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I call you by your name; I name you, though you do not know me."
• 2 Kings 13:23 – "But the LORD was gracious to them and had compassion on them, and he turned toward them because of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and would not destroy them, nor has he cast them from his presence until now."
• Leviticus 26:42 – "Then I will remember the covenant with Jacob, my covenant with Isaac, and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land."
• Leviticus 26:45 – "But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors, whom I brought out from the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God. I am the LORD.
• Isaiah 41:8–9 – "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham my friend — I brought you from the ends of the earth... I have chosen you and not cast you off."
• Ezekiel 16:60–63 – "I will remember the covenant I made with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you... I will establish my covenant with you, and you shall know that I am the LORD."

For God's Own Sake and His Name:

Here are the verses where God explicitly says He acts for Israel for His own sake — not for their merit, not for the patriarchs, but for His own name and holiness:

• Ezekiel 36:22–23 – "It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came. And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them."
• Isaiah 43:25 – "I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins."
• 1 Samuel 12:22 – "For the Lord will not forsake his people, for his great name's sake, because it has pleased the Lord to make you a people for himself."
• Ezekiel 20:9 – "But I acted for the sake of my name, that it should not be profaned in the sight of the nations among whom they lived, in whose sight I made myself known to them in bringing them out of the land of Egypt."
• Isaiah 48:11 – "For my own sake, for my own sake I will do this; for how should my name be defiled? And I will not give my glory to another."
• Ezekiel 20:41 – "For my own sake I will act, in order to vindicate the holiness of my great name, which was profaned among the nations, the name which you have profaned among them."
• Ezekiel 38:23 – "I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which the nations have profaned among them, and the nations will know that I am the Lord."
• Psalm 79:9 – "Help us, O God of our salvation, for the glory of your name; deliver us, and atone for our sins, for your name's sake!"
• Psalm 106:8 – "Yet he saved them for his name's sake, that he might make known his mighty power."
• 2 Kings 19:34 / Isaiah 37:35 – "I will defend this city to save it, for my own sake and for the sake of my servant David."
• Jeremiah 14:21 – "Do not abhor us, for your name's sake, do not disgrace the throne of your glory; remember, break not your covenant with us."

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