More about Israel.

[Thaddeus]

Well that is a convenient escape on the on the issue the factory means the Mosaic law is not necessary to understand what sin is. Just by reading the New Testament we know what sin is and the Mosaic law was not in the composite of all sin possible by humankind it's like people want to worship the Mosaic law but they don't actually understand it it was for a specific people for specific time frame with a specific purpose beyond that it is simply only a historical set of information that is very good practical knowledge and it's use has faded become Obsolete and replaced by a more perfect Covenant what part of this in the Bible are you people not understanding

You wouldn't have to read the NT to know ''law'' that is written in the mind and placed on the heart.
As I previously told you, most people differentiate between the mosaic law and moral law/mainly ten commandments.

 

[Thaddeus]

Correct and no Mosaic law present.



Incorrect, as you just said adam and eve sinned without the mosaic law.



No one knows specifically what was written to the heart. I speculate a cicscious derived from loving God and others, any thing that betrays this is sin. I need no Mosaic law to know this.




I am saying that exact thing. My theology is my reality and guess what while I understand the Mosaic law to some degree it never crosses my mind because my concerns are am I offending God or offending my neighbor I am fulfilling all of the requirements for the Mosaic law without even having the Mosaic law

plus being a gentile convert the Mosaic law never had any application to me in the first place not to mention the Bible explicitly States half a dozen or more times that the old Covenant including Mosaic law was replaced by a New Covenant and a better more perfect law

so I'm not the one who has to prove anything here I'm simply reading the text of the Bible and understanding the Old Mosaic law is not binding on anybody and is faded Into Obscurity which is clearly the point of most of the verses related to it in the New Testament

Anything you could do that would give you consciousness of sin if you did it is law placed in the heaRT
Your reality is only being conscious of sin in regard to not loving as you should? I find that hard to believe.
Christ is end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS(not full stop) for everyone who believeth Rom10:4

 

[Churchgoer]

It is all very plainly written

???
If you meant you agree, then great.

If you meant disagree, then show where plainly written what?

 

[Thaddeus]

???
If you meant you agree, then great.

If you meant disagree, then show where plainly written what?

Ive already shown you what is plainly written.

 

[legion]

You wouldn't have to read the NT to know ''law'' that is written in the mind and placed on the heart.
As I previously told you, most people differentiate between the mosaic law and moral law/mainly ten commandments.

Yeah I don't disagree with that what I do disagree with is that the Mosaic law has any bearing on the Christian today as it was never intended for them unless it was exclusively Israel while many of the moral components were brought apart they were not exclusion to the Mosaic law for example murdering people was not accepted prior to the most anyway

 

[legion]

Anything you could do that would give you consciousness of sin if you did it is law placed in the heaRT
Your reality is only being conscious of sin in regard to not loving as you should? I find that hard to believe.
Christ is end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS(not full stop) for everyone who believeth Rom10:4

I find nowhere where it said just going to write the Old Testament law on our hearts that's completely made up

 

[Thaddeus]

I find nowhere where it said just going to write the Old Testament law on our hearts that's completely made up

The moral law is written in believers hearts and minds

 

[Churchgoer]

I find nowhere where it said just going to write the Old Testament law on our hearts that's completely made up

Ot in Jeremiah, Ezekiel,
Nt in Hebrew

And more places.

Praise to God.

 

[brightfame52]

We have looked at why Ezk 37:21-28 could not be referring to National Israel.

The second Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ, we know the prophecy cannot be referring to Him, for He was never scattered among the nations or heathen, and the prophecy has a plural fulfillment as in vs

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

That Leaves us with one more possibility, the Israel of God, all those who believe in Christ..

Lets see how this fits !

#1. God will gather the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they are scattered..

Is that not what the high Priest prophesied about in regards to Christ death ? Jn 11:49-52

49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

This is compatible also with Jesus words Jn 10:15,16,18,19

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Was not that the underline motive for Jesus sending His disciples unto all nations Matt 28:18-19

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Amen, that's the reason for the great commission, its for in the gathering in of the seed of Abraham in all Nations, according to God's promise Gen 17:5

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. 4

 

[Aussie52]

None of that is happening.

You must be blind.
In Gaza alone, Israel has killed 65,000 Palestinians, 20,000 being children. Over 170,000 have been wounded or maimed for life.
In the Occupied Territories, Palestinians have been killed, others evicted from their homes by Israeli settlers under the willing eye of the IDF. Palestinians have been forcefully removed from over 20 towns and numerous villages.
Palestinian land has been seized by the Israeli government and given over for the building of Jewish settler towns.

I could go on but that is sufficient to demonstrate the grave injustices perpetrated against the Palestinian people by Israel.

 

[Thaddeus]

We have looked at why Ezk 37:21-28 could not be referring to National Israel.

The second Israel, the Lord Jesus Christ, we know the prophecy cannot be referring to Him, for He was never scattered among the nations or heathen, and the prophecy has a plural fulfillment as in vs

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

That Leaves us with one more possibility, the Israel of God, all those who believe in Christ..

Lets see how this fits !

#1. God will gather the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they are scattered..

Is that not what the high Priest prophesied about in regards to Christ death ? Jn 11:49-52

49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

This is compatible also with Jesus words Jn 10:15,16,18,19

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Was not that the underline motive for Jesus sending His disciples unto all nations Matt 28:18-19

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Amen, that's the reason for the great commission, its for in the gathering in of the seed of Abraham in all Nations, according to God's promise Gen 17:5

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. 4

Maybe you have never read Ezekiel 36:16-27. That prophecy can only refer to physical Isaelites

 

[Churchgoer]

You must be blind.
In Gaza alone, Israel has killed 65,000 Palestinians, 20,000 being children. Over 170,000 have been wounded or maimed for life.
In the Occupied Territories, Palestinians have been killed, others evicted from their homes by Israeli settlers under the willing eye of the IDF. Palestinians have been forcefully removed from over 20 towns and numerous villages.
Palestinian land has been seized by the Israeli government and given over for the building of Jewish settler towns.

I could go on but that is sufficient to demonstrate the grave injustices perpetrated against the Palestinian people by Israel.

Worst of all, so called Christians are supporting these murdering, genocide, including many children, robbery, ....by giving weapon, money, politicians. Partnering in crime.

 

[Churchgoer]

Maybe you have never read Ezekiel 36:16-27. That prophecy can only refer to physical Isaelites

Ezekiel 36 16 to 27 talking about God will finally sprinkle clean water on them, give them a new clean heart. Let's just assume this is talking about ethnic Israel.

Where did that say for Christians to help God achieving that by murdering, robbing, genocide?
As I said it over and over, where did God tell Mary and Peter and Judah to sell Jesus, the crowd to shout crucify Him, as an act of obedience to God, helping God?

 

[brightfame52]

Maybe you have never read Ezekiel 36:16-27. That prophecy can only refer to physical Isaelites

Negative

 

[Thaddeus]

Ezekiel 36 16 to 27 talking about God will finally sprinkle clean water on them, give them a new clean heart. Let's just assume this is talking about ethnic Israel.

Where did that say for Christians to help God achieving that by murdering, robbing, genocide?
As I said it over and over, where did God tell Mary and Peter and Judah to sell Jesus, the crowd to shout crucify Him, as an act of obedience to God, helping God?

Well according to the definition of genocide today, God told the Israelites to commit genocide when they took cities to have the promised land. I imagine you feel God was wrong to do that.
What is happening now is part of a process, it has not reached its fulfillment yet.
Not all in Jerusalem when the prophecies are fulfilled will remain there(Zech14)

 

[Thaddeus]

Negative

Really?
 Again the word of the Lord came to me: 17 “Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. 18 So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols. 19 I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. 20 And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, ‘These are the Lord’s people, and yet they had to leave his land.’ 21 I had concern for my holy name, which the people of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.

22 “Therefore say to the Israelites, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: It is not for your sake, people of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Sovereign Lord, when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

24 “‘For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

 

[brightfame52]

Really?

Really

 

[Thaddeus]

Really

Your error in theology is shown by your constantly having to ignore the plain words of the bible, or theologise to overturn what is plainly written in order to hold to your beliefs.
Then, you take a handull of scriptures and misapply them for you refuse to accept the bible as one cohesive whole

 

[brightfame52]

Your error in theology is shown by your constantly having to ignore the plain words of the bible

I havent ignored anythinng

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Maybe you have never read Ezekiel 36:16-27. That prophecy can only refer to physical Isaelites

What do you think happened during the centuries between the end of the Babylonian exile and the appearance of Christ? Israel was restored to the land. And when Christ came a remnant of them were cleansed and given a new heart and spirit, thus fulfilling that prophecy.