More about Israel.

[2Christ]

We are in it now.
Jesus did not take a break from being the king.

Ho can this be? where is Christ did he already appear and we cant see him?

I notice that Jesus has a different way of speaking about buildings.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Here is the truth of it the new Jerusalem, you better believe it because this part is not symbolism, Do not forget God will inhabit FOREVER his New Jerusalem, do you think he would inhabit in a city build by men? I don't think so, this city will reflect his Glory and will be the most impressive in the universe from them and forever.

The New Jerusalem is one of the most detailed descriptions in all of Scripture. While the book of Revelation contains many symbols, the New Jerusalem is described as a real city with physical features, exact measurements, and a future location. It also represents the redeemed people of God, just as earthly Jerusalem often represented the nation of Israel. The symbolic meaning does not remove its literal existence.

John first writes: And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. (Revelation 21:2 ASV). Notice that John does not say the city is the bride. He says it is made ready as a bride, comparing its beauty and preparation to a bride on her wedding day.

The angel then gives John a closer look:

And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were laden with the seven last plagues; and he spake with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb. And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God.(Revelation 21:9-10 ASV)

The city is then described in remarkable detail. It has a great and high wall, twelve gates with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve foundations bearing the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. It is measured with a golden reed, proving that it has real dimensions:

And the city lieth foursquare, and the length thereof is as great as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs: the length and the breadth and the height thereof are equal. And he measured the wall thereof, a hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel. (Revelation 21:16-17 ASV)

The city is built from actual materials:

And the building of the wall thereof was jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto pure glass. The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all manner of precious stones... And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each one of the several gates was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. (Revelation 21:18-21 ASV)

John also describes what is found inside the city:

And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb, in the midst of the street thereof. And on this side of the river and on that was the tree of life, bearing twelve manner of fruits, yielding its fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (Revelation 22:1-2 ASV)

Finally, he tells us who will enter it:

And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it: and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb's book of life.(Revelation 21:26-27 ASV)

These descriptions show that the New Jerusalem cannot be understood as merely a symbol. Scripture gives its exact dimensions, measures its walls, names its gates and foundations, lists the materials from which it is built, describes its streets, river, and tree, and explains who enters it. Throughout the Bible, whenever God gives precise measurements, they are for real places. The Tabernacle, Solomon's Temple, and Ezekiel's future temple were all carefully measured because they were actual structures. The New Jerusalem follows the same pattern.

Some argue that because the angel says, "I will show thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb," the city must only represent God's people. However, Scripture often uses a city to represent those who live within it. Jerusalem frequently stands for Israel, yet Jerusalem was also a literal city. In the same way, the New Jerusalem represents the redeemed because it is their eternal home, but this does not mean the city itself is imaginary. A literal city can also carry symbolic meaning.

Jesus also promised His followers a real place prepared for them:

In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.(John 14:2 ASV)

Likewise, Abraham looked forward to a real city:

For he looked for the city which hath the foundations, whose builder and maker is God. (Hebrews 11:10 ASV)

The New Jerusalem is therefore both literal and meaningful. It is a real city prepared by God, built with magnificent beauty, descending from heaven to the new earth after the final judgment. It is also the dwelling place of the redeemed, which is why it can be associated with the Bride of Christ. Its symbolic significance does not cancel its physical reality. Just as the Passover lamb was both a real lamb and a picture of Christ, the New Jerusalem is both a real city and a beautiful picture of God's people living forever in His presence.


Another reason the New Jerusalem cannot be viewed as merely a symbol is that Scripture describes the very source of its light. John writes, "And the city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine upon it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp thereof is the Lamb." (Revelation 21:23 ASV). This is not simply a poetic statement about God's presence. It explains why the city needs no sun or moon. The glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp. John repeats the same truth in Revelation 22:5, saying that there will be no need for the light of the sun because the Lord God Himself gives them light. These verses describe the actual conditions of the New Jerusalem, where God's glory visibly fills the city forever.

This passage also echoes the prophecy of Isaiah:

The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but Jehovah will be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. (Isaiah 60:19 ASV)

John is showing that Isaiah's prophecy reaches its complete fulfillment in the New Jerusalem.

 

[BetterCallPsalms]

I knew Hitler was influenced by Martin Luther so I had AI compile what he said and wrote that proved Martin Luther's influence on Hitler:

1. Hitler’s Own Words​

• Speech in Berlin (January 30, 1933): On the day he became Chancellor, Hitler stated in a public address: "I do insist on the certainty that... Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing."
  • Source: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922–August 1939, Vol. 1, edited by Norman H. Baynes, Oxford University Press, 1942, p. 200.
• Table Talk (1942): In private conversations recorded by his secretaries, Hitler praised Luther’s stance against the Jews. On October 21, 1941, he said: "The great Luther... I have learned much from Luther."regarding the Jewish question.
  • Source: Hitler’s Table Talk, 1941–1944, edited by H.R. Trevor-Roper, Enigma Books, 2000, p. 59.
• Mein Kampf (1925):While he does not quote Luther’s anti-Jewish tract directly here, he lists Luther as one of the three "great warriors" of German history alongside Frederick the Great and Richard Wagner, establishing him as a foundational hero.
  • Source: Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7, "The Revolution."

2. Nazi Officials and​

• Martin Sasse (Provincial Bishop of Thuringia): Shortly after the November 1938 pogroms (Kristallnacht), Sasse published a pamphlet titled Martin Luther und die Juden: Weg mit ihnen!("Martin Luther and the Jews: Away with Them!").
  • Quote: In the introduction, Sasse wrote: "On November 10, 1938, on Luther’s birthday, the synagogues are burning in Germany... The German people are now doing what Luther wanted... 'Away with them!'"
  • Source: Sasse, Martin. Martin Luther und die Juden: Weg mit ihnen! Freiburg, 1938. (Reprinted in The Holocaust: A Reader, edited by Simone Gigliotti, Blackwell Publishing, 2005, p. 36).
• Julius Streicher (Editor of Der Stürmer):During his testimony at the Nuremberg Trials, Streicher explicitly admitted his reliance on Luther.
  • Quote: When asked about the source of his antisemitism, Streicher testified: "I have based my actions on the writings of Martin Luther... I could have called no other witness than Dr. Martin Luther." He specifically cited On the Jews and Their Lies.
  • Source: Trial of the Major War Criminals before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 1947, Vol. 12, pp. 301–302.

3. The Specific Text Used:​

The Nazi regime did not just reference Luther generally; they republished his specific anti-Jewish tract.

• Nazi Reprints: The text Von den Jüden und iren Lügen was reprinted by the Nazi publishing house Der Stürmer in 1937 and distributed widely.
• Content Match:The seven points Luther listed in this tract (burn synagogues, destroy homes, seize prayer books, forbid rabbis to teach, abolish safe conduct, confiscate wealth, force labor/expulsion) directly mirror the progression of Nazi laws from 1933 to 1945.
  • Source: Luther, Martin. On the Jews and Their Lies (1543). In Luther’s Works, Vol. 47: The Christian in Society III, edited by Franklin Sherman, Fortress Press, 1971, pp. 137–306.

4. Historical Analysis (Secondary Sources)​

For further verification of how these sources are interpreted by historians:

• William L. Shirer: In The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1960), Shirer dedicates a section to "The Persecution of the Christian Churches" and details how the Nazis utilized Luther’s writings.
• Richard Steigmann-Gall: In The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919–1945 (2003), he documents the specific theological appropriation of Luther by Nazi leaders.
• Diarmaid MacCulloch: In Reformation: Europe’s House Divided 1490–1700 (2003), he analyzes the direct line from Luther’s 1543 tract to the events of Kristallnacht.

Table Talk (1942): In private conversations recorded by his secretaries, Hitler praised Luther’s stance against the Jews. On October 21, 1941, he said: "The great Luther... I have learned much from Luther." regarding the Jewish question.

Doesn't say what he learned, it for certain was nothing to do with the word of God. Perhaps he admired him for casting off Catholic influence from what in every sense at that time, was his nation.


Mein Kampf (1925): While he does not quote Luther’s anti-Jewish tract directly here, he lists Luther as one of the three "great warriors" of German history alongside Frederick the Great and Richard Wagner, establishing him as a foundational hero.

Nothing wrong with quoting leaders of those who had influence on Germany.

Martin Sasse (Provincial Bishop of Thuringia): Shortly after the November 1938 pogroms (Kristallnacht), Sasse published a pamphlet titled Martin Luther und die Juden: Weg mit ihnen!("Martin Luther and the Jews: Away with Them!").

As is it says in the title, "Sasse published a pamphlet".

Julius Streicher (Editor of Der Stürmer)

again, Julius Streicher.

So one remark from "table talk" and a second a quote from his book. The rest are not related to Hitler or anybody who drew up the final solution. He also praised many other historical figures and empires and so on. What you are doing is trying to take the great reformation changes Luther did and trying to graft it into a driving factor to Hitlers beliefs and or actions. You also have to take into account it was a judgement against Jews from God. To deny that is to deny God is in control of everything. From the Romans destroying a large population of the Jews during the revolt and to the future times where two thirds of Jews will be wiped out during the times of Jacob's trouble. You can't directly attack Luther's work or progress he made in tossing off the vile teachings of Catholicism. So don't try and mix water and oil and pour it as the foundation to your argument.

 

[HeIsHere]

Table Talk (1942): In private conversations recorded by his secretaries, Hitler praised Luther’s stance against the Jews. On October 21, 1941, he said: "The great Luther... I have learned much from Luther." regarding the Jewish question.

Doesn't say what he learned, it for certain was nothing to do with the word of God. Perhaps he admired him for casting off Catholic influence from what in every sense at that time, was his nation.


Mein Kampf (1925): While he does not quote Luther’s anti-Jewish tract directly here, he lists Luther as one of the three "great warriors" of German history alongside Frederick the Great and Richard Wagner, establishing him as a foundational hero.

Nothing wrong with quoting leaders of those who had influence on Germany.

Martin Sasse (Provincial Bishop of Thuringia): Shortly after the November 1938 pogroms (Kristallnacht), Sasse published a pamphlet titled Martin Luther und die Juden: Weg mit ihnen!("Martin Luther and the Jews: Away with Them!").

As is it says in the title, "Sasse published a pamphlet".

Julius Streicher (Editor of Der Stürmer)

again, Julius Streicher.

So one remark from "table talk" and a second a quote from his book. The rest are not related to Hitler or anybody who drew up the final solution. He also praised many other historical figures and empires and so on. What you are doing is trying to take the great reformation changes Luther did and trying to graft it into a driving factor to Hitlers beliefs and or actions. You also have to take into account it was a judgement against Jews from God. To deny that is to deny God is in control of everything. From the Romans destroying a large population of the Jews during the revolt and to the future times where two thirds of Jews will be wiped out during the times of Jacob's trouble. You can't directly attack Luther's work or progress he made in tossing off the vile teachings of Catholicism. So don't try and mix water and oil and pour it as the foundation to your argument.

There is always context, but of course that generally proves to be inconvenient for people who already steeped in forgone black -white conclusions

 

[BetterCallPsalms]

There is always context, but of course that generally proves to be inconvenient for people who already steeped in forgone black -white conclusions

Yeah, since it was taken from AI and not given such context, who knows what he learned from Luther, if anything. The man rambled a lot of nonsense. Pretty sure Martin Luther was not the source of his hatred for the Jewish people being in Europe. From most accounts from what I read, it was his experience seeing Jews siding with Marxists during the post Great War chaos. Hitler also said he admired Henry Ford, Admired Great Britain's Empire and so on and so forth. The argument or point the person is making is not against Luther, but from what I can view is them using anything to discredit Luther due their Zionist beliefs or Catholic teachings, but that is speculation as I have no time or energy to debate such nonsense beyond my response.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yeah, since it was taken from AI and not given such context, who knows what he learned from Luther, if anything. The man rambled a lot of nonsense. Pretty sure Martin Luther was not the source of his hatred for the Jewish people being in Europe. From most accounts from what I read, it was his experience seeing Jews siding with Marxists during the post Great War chaos. Hitler also said he admired Henry Ford, Admired Great Britain's Empire and so on and so forth. The argument or point the person is making is not against Luther, but from what I can view is them using anything to discredit Luther due their Zionist beliefs or Catholic teachings, but that is speculation as I have no time or energy to debate such nonsense beyond my response.

They are not trained historians, they exude confidence in the place of real understanding, yes I just avoid, I learned a long time ago there is no point

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

when you use "racist" and "hate", can you give evidence to define that word?

for example Jesus told us to love God and "hate" our family, Jesus meant to love our family 2nd.

If I can be someone s 2nd place in love, as definition of "hate", I am totally good with that. Yeah God 1st.

I guess you've never met racists? I said "Hi!" to her. She set her jaw and talked to someone else. She also tries to avoid meeting my eyes and running into me. She also doesn't talk to other non-white Christians. There's a lot in my area so I now how racists look.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Table Talk (1942): In private conversations recorded by his secretaries, Hitler praised Luther’s stance against the Jews. On October 21, 1941, he said: "The great Luther... I have learned much from Luther." regarding the Jewish question.

Doesn't say what he learned, it for certain was nothing to do with the word of God. Perhaps he admired him for casting off Catholic influence from what in every sense at that time, was his nation.


Mein Kampf (1925): While he does not quote Luther’s anti-Jewish tract directly here, he lists Luther as one of the three "great warriors" of German history alongside Frederick the Great and Richard Wagner, establishing him as a foundational hero.

Nothing wrong with quoting leaders of those who had influence on Germany.

Martin Sasse (Provincial Bishop of Thuringia): Shortly after the November 1938 pogroms (Kristallnacht), Sasse published a pamphlet titled Martin Luther und die Juden: Weg mit ihnen!("Martin Luther and the Jews: Away with Them!").

As is it says in the title, "Sasse published a pamphlet".

Julius Streicher (Editor of Der Stürmer)

again, Julius Streicher.

So one remark from "table talk" and a second a quote from his book. The rest are not related to Hitler or anybody who drew up the final solution. He also praised many other historical figures and empires and so on. What you are doing is trying to take the great reformation changes Luther did and trying to graft it into a driving factor to Hitlers beliefs and or actions. You also have to take into account it was a judgement against Jews from God. To deny that is to deny God is in control of everything. From the Romans destroying a large population of the Jews during the revolt and to the future times where two thirds of Jews will be wiped out during the times of Jacob's trouble. You can't directly attack Luther's work or progress he made in tossing off the vile teachings of Catholicism. So don't try and mix water and oil and pour it as the foundation to your argument.

Yeah, I knew you wouldn't accept anything that doesn't fit your beliefs even if there's proof. This isn't for you then, it's for who don't hate Jews and loves them because God does.

 

[Roger316]

We are in it now.
Jesus did not take a break from being the king.

Jesus said that he would go away to receive a kingdom. He doesn't reign until he returns.

 

[Churchgoer]

I guess you've never met racists? I said "Hi!" to her. She set her jaw and talked to someone else. She also tries to avoid meeting my eyes and running into me. She also doesn't talk to other non-white Christians. There's a lot in my area so I now how racists look.

I usually don't identify that as "racist", nor "hate".
Every one has a story. I respect others preferences.
Many non-white people don't say hello to me, that s not a big deal.. if they attack people like me such as push down train track, I would say they have some criminal behavior and I will be in high alert.

I generally don't like the word racist. Because it really doesn't mean anything. There is only one human race. And humans are allowed to have preferences, unless they commit crimes or actually curse ....or something.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I usually don't identify that as "racist", nor "hate".
Every one has a story. I respect others preferences.
Many non-white people don't say hello to me, that s not a big deal.. if they attack people like me such as push down train track, I would say they have some criminal behavior and I will be in high alert.

I generally don't like the word racist. Because it really doesn't mean anything. There is only one human race. And humans are allowed to have preferences, unless they commit crimes or actually curse ....or something.

Okay. Moving on....

 

[Aaron56]

Ho can this be? where is Christ did he already appear and we cant see him?

most of what you say is not from scripture but from your own ignorance. YES !!! there will be a new Jerusalem coming Down from Heaven but that is later , after the millennial Kingdom that will start on Christ's return and after the last rebellion from satan where if will be thrown in the lake of fire with all the deceived angels and Men who do not believe or do God's will.

It’s okay you don’t understand. You willingly don those Sinai blinders. Self-imposed blindness benefits no one.
Also @Cameron143 agrees with me so I must he correct.

 

[God-fearing]

I thought I'd share with you one of the most funniest things I found out about few minutes ago.

Greta thornberg is now protesting in Germany against Germany. For being the main contributor of weapons to Israel to defend its self.

Germany main contributor to Israel....come on now....humorous/ ironic....do I need prayer?

Guess someone learned a lesson from history on messing with the apple of God's eye.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

I thought I'd share with you one of the most funniest things I found out about few minutes ago.

Greta thornberg is now protesting in Germany against Germany. For being the main contributor of weapons to Israel to defend its self.

Germany main contributor to Israel....come on now....humorous/ ironic....do I need prayer?

Guess someone learned a lesson from history on messing with the apple of God's eye.

Greta Thornberg: Professional Karen

Germany is the second largest contributor at 30%. The US is the largest contributor to Israel at 69% of weapons imports. Israel also has it's own robust defense industry.

 

[Lifted_by_the_word]

Jesus said that he would go away to receive a kingdom. He doesn't reign until he returns.

Where is he sending out his servant from to invite guests to his wedding?

 

[Aussie52]

Jesus said that he would go away to receive a kingdom. He doesn't reign until he returns.

Jesus is reigning now at the right hand of God. The Kingdom of God was inaugurated in His first coming and will be consummated in His second advent. Already but not yet.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Jesus is reigning now at the right hand of God. The Kingdom of God was inaugurated in His first coming and will be consummated in His second advent. Already but not yet.

Yeah. He is already reigning in the hearts of His people.

 

[BetterCallPsalms]

I thought I'd share with you one of the most funniest things I found out about few minutes ago.

Greta thornberg is now protesting in Germany against Germany. For being the main contributor of weapons to Israel to defend its self.

Germany main contributor to Israel....come on now....humorous/ ironic....do I need prayer?

Guess someone learned a lesson from history on messing with the apple of God's eye.

A war criminal genocide practicing nation learned a lot from the man who tried to wipe them out, that I wouldn't call ironic, just disgusting.

 

[Anchorite]

Psalm 122:6-9

6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

7 Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces.

8 For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee.

9 Because of the house of the Lord our God, I will seek thy good.

 

[dkontner]

Revelation 11​

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[God-fearing]

A war criminal genocide practicing nation learned a lot from the man who tried to wipe them out, that I wouldn't call ironic, just disgusting.

Give it a break