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Yes, we do well to keep that in mind,
Yet Jesus' Jewish birth and His ministry to the Jews first is highly significant too.
By this we know that the God He came to reconcile us with is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
So, the “Life-giving Spirit” who is Christ, is a Jew?
Who gave birth to the Life-giving Spirit?
 
You believe the Anti Christ UN? You really are deceived.

America is being swamped by Muslims who are lying their way into congress. Unless God does a miracle, you will soon find out why you are supporting the truly genocidal religion. You are deluded along with too many of your fellow Americans. I did not believe this to be possible. I could not imagine people being so stupid. I was obviously wrong.

Get used to going without bacon, not being able to own a dog, being treated as a second class citizen and being unable to express your Christian beliefs openly. That's if you still hold to them after Islam is done brain washing you. After all, Tucker Carlson is now a closet Muslim, so why not those who follow him?
I'm a Christian, Judaism and Islam are both anti-christ religions. I am just showing you that you're being deceived by blindly following and supporting Israel. Bibles, not bombs is what Israel needs. Other than that, feel free to see the world however you like.
 
Jesus is the enemy of Israel....please explain that one please.
Jesus said to the jew leaders, you are of your father the devil. Please read all 4 gospels. Today's talmud teaching, please research what they teach about Jesus. Then you will understand.
All are created in the image of God, ....please read Genesis again where God says to Satan I will put enmity between her seed and your seed. Let that sink in. Seed not spirit. Seed.
Yes seed, Jesus.
All human bear the image of God. Thou shall not murder.
Refer above about Satan, devil.
Now you explain to me when Jesus said father forgive them why that doesn't apply to the jews??? Or in your mind God disregarded
The jews.
That is what Jesus said " you are your father the devil. Synagogue of satan..." not me.
God say to them many times, "if you return to me, I will return to you"
This invite still valid, to jew, to Arab, to Indian, Chinese....
God tell us to forgive people, not to commit crimes with them. Please differentiate forgiveness vs conspiracy.
So your telling me that raping and killing jews destroying there houses should go unpunished?
Should be punished. Please give real facts. If using OT standards, is one life for one life. Or you have new standards as Jesus teaching? Other standards?
That the land that was formally Israel's
2000 years ago?

Before 1948, people lived there. Today their children and grand children are getting killed, robbed, homelessed....

given to the Palestinians (gaza) along with the houses and gardens and buildings turned into a military depot
Given?
So native American give ny people home, garden? Please find out who built the homes, garden, Christian churches on Gaza?
Military depot? If just talking about Gaza, that is the biggest human jail created by Israel state. Now isreal state bombed that human jail, killed millions.
is a peaceful neighborhood? Raising children to hate and kill any and all jews is hardly good parenting.
Live next to that my friend
If native American bombed killed ny people and home, what would ny people do?

To be fair, go back to 1948 UN settlement map.

Overall, Christian stay away from either pagan side.
Interesting take, I do not see that explicitly stated in scripture.
Covenant in Bible, is really "blood covenant". blood symbolize life. This is the reason rams, cows blood can't save us.
Jesus blood is the only blood can save us from our sins. That's the reason we need to born again, by His blood. Matthew 26 26 to 30, and in other gospel too.
Why we are called children of God? We have Jesus Christ in us, Holy spirit in us.
 
Covenant in Bible, is really "blood covenant". blood symbolize life. This is the reason rams, cows blood can't save us.
Jesus blood is the only blood can save us from our sins. That's the reason we need to born again, by His blood. Matthew 26 26 to 30, and in other gospel too.
Why we are called children of God? We have Jesus Christ in us, Holy spirit in us.

Yes I understand this, however I see no reason to think in heaven we have blood coursing thru our veins in a spiritual body.
 
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Yes I understand this, however I see no reason to think in heaven we have blood coursing thru our veins in a spiritual body.
This we can discuss in heaven, will we have physical body? Very possible.

Uncorruptabe body.

But look into blood covenant teachings, very powerful.

I believe spiritual and physical is somehow connected. Just we are limited to fully understand God's creation yet.

Do u know we are particle wave duality?
 
This we can discuss in heaven, will we have physical body? Very possible.

Uncorruptabe body.

But look into blood covenant teachings, very powerful.

I believe spiritual and physical is somehow connected. Just we are limited to fully understand God's creation yet.

Do u know we are particle wave duality?

Yes I do.
We shall see.
 
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So, the “Life-giving Spirit” who is Christ, is a Jew?
Who gave birth to the Life-giving Spirit?
He is not, neither was Abraham for that matter.
The history of God's communication with man is verified and the identity of the Father is established by Jesus' birth into the house of David.
 
So we’re supposed to regard Him as a Jew? Or…

“Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer."
"THEREFORE"

He died for ALL. He didn't get rid of nations or nationalities.
 
I doubt people in heaven have blood coursing through their veins.
Then they wouldn't be people and they would not have veins.

The Lord Jesus Christ is 100% humanity. Blood, heart and veins........Maybe this is why you struggle so much with the Jews. He is a Jew. He is Israel. And He is 100% human.
 
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27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
THEREFORE......He died for all.

You liberals and progressives trying to get rid of females and males is bat crap crazy.
 
Jesus said to the jew leaders, you are of your father the devil. Please read all 4 gospels. Today's talmud teaching, please research what they teach about Jesus. Then you will understand.

Yes seed, Jesus.
All human bear the image of God. Thou shall not murder.
Refer above about Satan, devil.

That is what Jesus said " you are your father the devil. Synagogue of satan..." not me.
God say to them many times, "if you return to me, I will return to you"
This invite still valid, to jew, to Arab, to Indian, Chinese....
God tell us to forgive people, not to commit crimes with them. Please differentiate forgiveness vs conspiracy.

Should be punished. Please give real facts. If using OT standards, is one life for one life. Or you have new standards as Jesus teaching? Other standards?

2000 years ago?

Before 1948, people lived there. Today their children and grand children are getting killed, robbed, homelessed....


Given?
So native American give ny people home, garden? Please find out who built the homes, garden, Christian churches on Gaza?
Military depot? If just talking about Gaza, that is the biggest human jail created by Israel state. Now isreal state bombed that human jail, killed millions.

If native American bombed killed ny people and home, what would ny people do?

To be fair, go back to 1948 UN settlement map.

Overall, Christian stay away from either pagan side.

Covenant in Bible, is really "blood covenant". blood symbolize life. This is the reason rams, cows blood can't save us.
Jesus blood is the only blood can save us from our sins. That's the reason we need to born again, by His blood. Matthew 26 26 to 30, and in other gospel too.
Why we are called children of God? We have Jesus Christ in us, Holy spirit in us.

Jesus siad that to the pharisees which are not Jewish leaders. Pharisees is a type of person. Pharisees are not levites.
This is the main misconception that people are aware of.

The land of Israel was a waste land. Only when the jews returned did it prosper.
 
Yes, we do well to keep that in mind,
Yet Jesus' Jewish birth and His ministry to the Jews first is highly significant too.
By this we know that the God He came to reconcile us with is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

Also jesus is a jew for he is the lion of Judah....where the word jew comes from.
Abraham from pagan to Hebrew.....Hebrew means one that crossed over.
That's how you arrive to Israel and Judah.
 
i would say the reason for the downfall is the democratic way of life. why should the uneducated majority decide anything? not only that but you cant have a democracy with open borders, because once you flood your land with foreigners they will become the majority and what is left of your democracy? the tyranny of the majority ,as always.

and oh, who decided to have the open borders? the voters. (the women voters to be frank here, according to stats they love the open borders, they vote with their motherly instinct and want to save the world and help everyone. these days the men should not be allowed to vote either, testosterone levels are so low that they are practically women as well.)
You would rather live under a godless dictatorship like North Korea? How about China? Look back to the USSR to find out what dictatorship is like.

The real problem has little to do with the system of government. It is spiritual. The church in many nations has turned away from true Christianity. God will judge the church (1 Peter 4:17). The 7 churches in the book of Revelation no longer exist. The ruins are in Muslim Turkey.

The answer to society's problems is revival, not government. The early church flourished in spite of Rome's occasional brutality.​
 
You would rather live under a godless dictatorship like North Korea? How about China? Look back to the USSR to find out what dictatorship is like.

The real problem has little to do with the system of government. It is spiritual. The church in many nations has turned away from true Christianity. God will judge the church (1 Peter 4:17). The 7 churches in the book of Revelation no longer exist. The ruins are in Muslim Turkey.

The answer to society's problems is revival, not government. The early church flourished in spite of Rome's occasional brutality.​
china for sure. north korea not so much because its a genuine dictatorship, but to be fair we dont know much about north korea and a lot of the things we hear is jut western propaganda.

i am completely in agreement with your statement that revival is the solution, not government.
 
If you know anything relevant that Clement wrote about Revelations, can you please share that with me.

I am familiar with the quote from Irenaeus that has become the foundation of the belief that Revelations was written in AD95.
This idea did not originate from Irenaeus (born before 155) directly, but from Eusebius (260-339) who misquoted him.
Eusebius disliked the book of Revelations, and attributed the authorship of it to "John the Elder", alleging also that it was NOT written by the apostle John.
Some of the historical evidence for the Date of the Apocalypse:

Irenaeus, - Polycarp’s disciple, who was himself the disciple of the apostle John, - Speaking of the name and number of the Beast in the Apocalypse, says, that had this been a matter then to be made known, it would have been disclosed by him who saw the Apocalypse: "for it [the Apocalypse evidently] was seen no very long time ago; but almost in our age, towards the end of the reign of Domitian" [1]

Attempts that have been made to get rid of this testimony, and force another meaning on Irenaeus’ words, by those wanting the Apocalypse to fit there theories,[2]

Tertullian seems to indicate this view of the Apocalyptic date. For in his Apology, after specifying Nero’s as the first imperial persecution, and this one by the sword, (wherein, as he elsewhere says,[3] Paul and Peter suffered, no mention being made of John, he proceeds to notice Domitian as the next persecution, and this as one in which Christians suffered by banishment, the well-known punishment inflicted on John.,[4] It is evident that Eusebius thus understands Tertulian; I mean as alluding to John’s banishment as the act of Domitian.[5]

Clement of Alexandria indirectly, but I think clearly, confirms the statement. In relating the well-known story of John and the robber, he speaks of it as acted out by the apostle on his return from exile in Patmos, "after the death of the tyrant;"[6] and represents him as at that time an infirm old man.[7]

Now "the tyrant" whose death is referred to, must necessarily be either Nero or Domitian; as these were, up to the end of the first century, the only imperial persecutors of the Christian body. And Nero it can scarcely be: since, at the time of Nero’s persecution, John was by no means an infirm old man; being probably not much above, if indeed so much as, sixty years of age.[8] Thus it must have been the tyrant Domitian. So, in fact, Eusebius expressly explains Clement to mean.[9]

Victorinus, Bishop of Pettaw, and martyr in Diocletian’s persecution, in a Commentary on the Apocalypse written towards the close of the third century, says twice, that the Apocalypse was seen by the Apostle John in the Isle of Patmos, when banished thither by the Roman Emperor Domitian.[10]

There is no evidence that in Nero persecution banishment to the islands with its usual penal accompaniments, was one of the punishments then put in force against accused Christians: whereas, on the other hand, we have direct profane historic testimony in proof that that particular punishment was enforced against persons accused of Christianity in the persecution by Domitian.

Dion Cassius expressly mentions the liberation from exile of those whom Domitian had banished on the charge of atheism, (i. e. of Christianity,) by the Emperor Nerva on his accession: ´Ο Νερουαις τους τε κοινομενους επ ασεβειρι αφηκε και τους φευγοντας κατηγαγε
—a fact precisely agreeing with the ecclesiastical tradition as to St. John’s liberation occurring on that Emperor’s death (whoever he was) had banished him to Patmos.

The varied historical evidence confirms the date originally and expressly assigned by Irenaeus to the Apocalypse, as seen and written at the close of the reign of Domitian; that is, near the end of the year 95, or beginning: of 96. Domitian was assassinated September A. D. 96.

Notes:

[1]The following is the passage, which I quote in full from Eusebius, H. E. iii. 18. Γραφων γε τοι ό Ειρηναιος περι της ψηφου της κατατον Αντιχριστον προσηγοριας εν τη Ιωαννου λεγομρνη Αποκαλυψει αυταις συλλαβαις εν πεμπτψ των προς τας αίρεσεις ταυτα περι του Ιωαννου φησιν. Ει δε εδει αναφανδον εν τψ νυν καιρψ κηρυττεσθαι τονομα αυτου δί εκεινου ανερρεθη του και την Αποκαλυψιν έωρακοτος ουδε γαρ προ πολλου χρονου εωραθν αλλα σχεδον επι της ήμετερας γενας προς τψ τελε της Δουετιανου αρχης.

[2]Michaelis, p. 525, thus candidly acknowledges the origin and object of these attempts. "Several modern commentators, who wish to refer the Apocalypse to the reign of Nero, that they may be better able to explain its prophecies, contend that the words of Ireufeus have been misunderstood by ecclesiastical writers, and that Ireufeus did not mean to say that the Revelation was seen in the reign of Domitian."

[3]Scorpiac. c. l5.

[4] "Teutaverat Domitianus, portio Neronis de crudelitate; scd, uia et homo, facile cncptum rcpressit, restitutis etiaui quos relegaverat." Apol. c. 5. The verb relego is used by him elsewhere of St. John’s exile to Patmos. Dc Praise. 36.

[5]Euseb. H .E. iii. 20.

[6]Quis Dives Salvetur, chap.. xlii. The story is copied by Eusebius into his H; E. iii. 23, and begins thus Επειδη γαρ του τυραννον τελευτησαντος απο της Πατμου της νησου μετηλθεν εις την Εφεσον.

[7]The statement, επιλαθομενος της ήλικιας της έαυτου, and the appellative, τον γεροντα both occur in reference to him: the latter twice over.

[8]For he is supposed to have been considerably younger than our Lord, The traditionary reports of his age at the time of his death all tend to that conclusion. And Jerome, Adv. Jovin Lib. i. c. 14, says expressly of his age when first called by Christ; "Ut autem sciamus tunc fuisse puerum manifestissime decent ecclesiasticae historiae." Now Nero’s persecution broke out in the year of our Lord 64, and ended with Nero’s death, A.D. 68

[9]H. E. ubi sup.

[10]On Apoc. X. 11, "Thou must prophesy again," he observes; "Hoc est quoniam, quando hoc ndit Joannes, erat in insula. I’athmos, in metallura damuatus a Bomitiano Caesare. Ibi ergo vidit Apocalypsim:et cum senior jam putaret se per passionem accepturum receptionem, iuterfecto Domitiano omnia judicia ejus soluta sunt; et Joannes, de raetallo dimissus, sic postea tradidit banc eandem quam acceperat a Domino Apocalypsim."
 
During ot time, yes.
Since Jesus come around, no.

Since Jesus come around, the ever lasting covenant is revealed, Jesus blood with Jesus people.
Whoever reject Jesus blood covenant is not in the covenant, just that simple.
If a woman rejects a man's proposal and wedding, that woman is not in a marriage covenant with that man. Simple as black and white, day and night, light and darkness.

the real "gentile, pagan " are all who reject Jesus, the way, truth, life. It is that simple!
Ethnic blood don't matter.
Jesus blood matters. And only Jesus blood!

Hope many stop playing the "race" card. One human race, that's it.
Many theologians anticipate a future, large-scale conversion of ethnic Jewish people to Christ prior to the end of the age, maintaining a unique ongoing focus for physical Israel in redemptive history.
Some believe "all Israel" in Romans 11 refers purely to the combined total of elect Jews and Gentiles making up the spiritual body of the church.

My understanding is that ethnic Israel’s national and ceremonial privileges were fulfilled and superseded by Jesus Christ, meaning salvation and chosen status now belong explicitly to those in union with Christ through faith, regardless of ethnic background.

So, I agree with you. Salvation is by grace, not by race.
 
Many theologians anticipate a future, large-scale conversion of ethnic Jewish people to Christ prior to the end of the age, maintaining a unique ongoing focus for physical Israel in redemptive history.
Some believe "all Israel" in Romans 11 refers purely to the combined total of elect Jews and Gentiles making up the spiritual body of the church.
Jesus went on the cross is in God's big plan too. Are we called to put Jesus on cross?
To help a political group commit murdering, sexual immorality, finding red heifer, building 3rd temple which is pagan is like the crowd shouting "crucify Him".
My understanding is that ethnic Israel’s national and ceremonial privileges were fulfilled and superseded by Jesus Christ, meaning salvation and chosen status now belong explicitly to those in union with Christ through faith, regardless of ethnic background.

So, I agree with you. Salvation is by grace, not by race.
Praise God for your clear understanding.
Salvation is by almighty God's grace, yes.
Race , ethnicity are all created stuff. Through out scripture God warn people over and over, do not worship created things, rock, tree, sun, moon, ...political group, ethnicity. All that is pagan worship.
Only worship the creator!
 
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Jesus went on the cross is in God's big plan too. Are we called to put Jesus on cross?
To help a political group commit murdering, sexual immorality, finding red heifer, building 3rd temple which is pagan is like the crowd shouting "crucify Him".

Praise God for your clear understanding.
Salvation is by almighty God's grace, yes.
Race , ethnicity are all created stuff. Through out scripture God warn people over and over, do not worship created things, rock, tree, sun, moon, ...political group, ethnicity. All that is pagan worship.
Only worship the creator!
According to the Apostle Paul, the Jews are no different to the Gentiles. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, that includes everyone who was ever born.

I don't think it fair to condemn a whole ethnic group, just because you don't agree with the politics of it's leadership. It's never a good idea to throw the baby out with the bath water.

There were some ethnic groups I didn't like before I was converted. My Church has members who come from every continent around the world. Now I embrace all of my Chinese, African, European, Indian, South American, former Jews and all the rest as my real brothers and sisters. I don't consider my Roman Catholic family and relatives as my brothers and sisters.

You agree that we are saved by grace and not race, then you will have to accept many Jews who have converted as your brethren as well.