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This thread has been moved to here. This thread is about the biblical way to minister healing to the broken hearted. This thread may trigger those who have been hurt so please read with caution. Full healing can be brought to those in need of it. God has used all the gifts of the spirit in different ways especially the gifts of healing that is intentionally plural. We are three part and God ministers to each part of us differently body soul and spirit.
 
The following are terms that will be used in this thread. I will update as needed. These definitions may not be the same used as others so saying one is wrong does not mean it is. These are terms commonly known to others and in some cases mistaken as something else. I leave these definitions to quicken the mind of those reafing to words that make sense to them. I am not a psychologist and not a doctor of any kind. I am a deliverance minister that has been questioned about the ministry. I am no expert to some but a blessing to others.
Deliverance minister = a minister that ministers healing to the broken hearted casts out demons as well.
Mpd= parts switches multiple/alter personalities split personality alters..... mainly a person with more than one personality.
Exorcism= the casting out of demons
Testing the spirits= finding out if it is an alter or demon you are dealing with.
System= the inside of the multiples mind that has formed to there circumstances.
Core= the original person that parts were split off of
Protector= a part of the person that protects other parts of the person.
Part/ alter/ switch etc.... a part of the persons soul that has fragmented due to trauma.
 
Ministry with me changes with each person it can start with prayer that the Lord bring forward the part he wants to deal with. Jesus will do that I get familiar with that part and pray for them. With the end result in most cases the unity and merging back into the core fully healed. I have heard this process takes years. I have heard months and here to tell you it can be minutes and seconds. It depends on the willingness of the person and if they feel comfortable to share there hurts and pains. For me I have mainly dealt with women who have been sexually assaulted and over the phone and over the internet has helped to set them at ease. I can tell by the change of a voice And the way something is written that a different part is up and talking or many wrote the message to me. T
 
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The following are terms that will be used in this thread. I will update as needed. These definitions may not be the same used as others so saying one is wrong does not mean it is. These are terms commonly known to others and in some cases mistaken as something else. I leave these definitions to quicken the mind of those reafing to words that make sense to them. I am not a psychologist and not a doctor of any kind. I am a deliverance minister that has been questioned about the ministry. I am no expert to some but a blessing to others.
Deliverance minister = a minister that ministers healing to the broken hearted casts out demons as well.
Mpd= parts switches multiple/alter personalities split personality alters..... mainly a person with more than one personality.
Exorcism= the casting out of demons
Testing the spirits= finding out if it is an alter or demon you are dealing with.
System= the inside of the multiples mind that has formed to there circumstances.
Core= the original person that parts were split off of
Protector= a part of the person that protects other parts of the person.
Part/ alter/ switch etc.... a part of the persons soul that has fragmented due to trauma.
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Nice definitions, but I am still waiting for the Scripture verses to back all this speculation up!
 
Angela53510 said:
Nice definitions, but I am still waiting for the Scripture verses to back all this speculation up!
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So this was moved here without the scripture to back it yet. So I guess this must be asked here also

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Can you show me how this does not line up with scripture? Can you tell me if a person has eight parts and five deny Christ and hate him while one is devoted to him and three do not know where is this person going?



The onus is on you to SHOW FROM scripture that it is or can be true

a person has eight parts and five deny Christ and hate him while one is devoted to him and three do not know where is this person going?
 
microscoped said:
The following are terms that will be used in this thread. I will update as needed. These definitions may not be the same used as others so saying one is wrong does not mean it is. These are terms commonly known to others and in some cases mistaken as something else. I leave these definitions to quicken the mind of those reafing to words that make sense to them. I am not a psychologist and not a doctor of any kind. I am a deliverance minister that has been questioned about the ministry. I am no expert to some but a blessing to others.
Deliverance minister = a minister that ministers healing to the broken hearted casts out demons as well.
Mpd= parts switches multiple/alter personalities split personality alters..... mainly a person with more than one personality.
Exorcism= the casting out of demons
Testing the spirits= finding out if it is an alter or demon you are dealing with.
System= the inside of the multiples mind that has formed to there circumstances.
Core= the original person that parts were split off of
Protector= a part of the person that protects other parts of the person.
Part/ alter/ switch etc.... a part of the persons soul that has fragmented due to trauma.
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Please place scriptures next to each one of bullet points you listed here, that show the Biblical application of what you are teaching. You have asked been to do so on 2 other OP's and you have refused.

Please also use correct terminology and medical terms when discussing these things. You have been asked to do so on 2 other OP's and you have refused.

Please use correct spelling and grammar.

Please refer to scripture for everything you discuss, this is requested because you stated:

This thread is about the biblical way to minister healing to the broken hearted.
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I have serious reservations that you should be continued to be allowed to post anything on these topics, since you disclosed on other OP's, that you are in divorce proceedings. You shrugged this off when asked abut it, but no minister/pastor going through this type of issue, would be allowed to physically minister and would be subject to suspension and supervision according to the by-laws of the covering denomination and or fellowship they were ordained by.

I am doing this to establish your credibility, because as it is, on 2 other threads you have been discovered to be suspect in your methods, conversations and most importantly your theology.
 
Angela53510 said:
Nice definitions, but I am still waiting for the Scripture verses to back all this speculation up!
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Please if you could be more specific on what you would like to see backed up I will do my best to do so.
 
Joshua_Generation said:
Please place scriptures next to each one of bullet points you listed here, that show the Biblical application of what you are teaching. You have asked been to do so on 2 other OP's and you have refused.

Please also use correct terminology and medical terms when discussing these things. You have been asked to do so on 2 other OP's and you have refused.

Please use correct spelling and grammar.

Please refer to scripture for everything you discuss, this is requested because you stated:



I have serious reservations that you should be continued to be allowed to post anything on these topics, since you disclosed on other OP's, that you are in divorce proceedings. You shrugged this off when asked abut it, but no minister/pastor going through this type of issue, would be allowed to physically minister and would be subject to suspension and supervision according to the by-laws of the covering denomination and or fellowship they were ordained by.

I am doing this to establish your credibility, because as it is, on 2 other threads you have been discovered to be suspect in your methods, conversations and most importantly your theology.
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None of your questions or statements refer to or are concerning the healing of the broken hearted.
 
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When dealing with alters I have found that moving faster works better than taking your time. I have also found that when alters are healed and merged others want the same thing while others feel they may lose there identity and no longer be relevant therefore they feel like merging us the worse thing to do. what each needs to realise is they do matter and that Jesus loves them. That Jesus died for them as well. It doesnt matter what you've been through or what you have done Jesus died for you. There ate many resources out there but I have found that Jesus still heals. Take the journey with Him. Forgive those who have hurt you and ask Jesus to forgive you for your unforgiveness. Ask Him to change what you see and make it good. Ask him to take away all bad things inside if its things to cut with or if its the clothes you wore that day Jesus can and will make you clean and give you the robes of righteousness.
 
microscoped said:
When dealing with alters I have found that moving faster works better than taking your time. I have also found that when alters are healed and merged others want the same thing while others feel they may lose there identity and no longer be relevant therefore they feel like merging us the worse thing to do. what each needs to realise is they do matter and that Jesus loves them. That Jesus died for them as well. It doesnt matter what you've been through or what you have done Jesus died for you. There ate many resources out there but I have found that Jesus still heals. Take the journey with Him. Forgive those who have hurt you and ask Jesus to forgive you for your unforgiveness. Ask Him to change what you see and make it good. Ask him to take away all bad things inside if its things to cut with or if its the clothes you wore that day Jesus can and will make you clean and give you the robes of righteousness.
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Book, chapter and verse for alters please.

Book, chapter and verse for merging alters please.

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There is a simple problem here, like most of modern psychology, the bible does not use the language or symbols.
How do you express the deep need all humans have to love their mother and father, no matter how terrible they are to them?
Part of the maturing process is loving the roles, but seeing the weaknesses of your parents and their sin. For some this is forgiving the abuse etc.
What about emotional family set up where the individual just plays a roles, parent, child, adult etc? What about walled off emotion that destructively walks through a person will they deny it effects.

Scripture just gives the bigger framework, the maturity and balance as demonstrated by Jesus. It is for us, His people, to discover and exercise ways to help bring this about. I am sure people can find healing, but I am not so sure the Lords intent is just to make as a working perfect whole, without the slow process of decipleship and ownership of what we are doing and what we have done.

So if someone who is traumatised, shattered can become whole through prayer, Amen.

I have much more problems with a testimony I heared of a woman who was saying the Lord had removed all her defences and she was literally trembling. Now that is not healing, just becoming unbelievably vulnerable. The Lord comes to heal the pain, and show love, so the defences are no longer needed and can be taken down, but the person needs to learn to do this themselves.

The difficulty is some people like all illnesses seem beyond healing, and have to live with their condition. Where the boundaries are comes with experience and humbleness. What you will find with most seriously medicated patients they always want to give up the meds because they are working, but once off go out of control.

Now we have no bible verses for this, but if you know someone in this situation, you know its painful reality, and I would love to believe this could be different, but it has not been.

And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. phil 4:7
He says, “Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.” psalm 46:10
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 1 cor 13:6-8
 
pardon my ignorance, but what is conspiratorial about MPD etc? This belongs in the Health forum. :confused:
 
Joshua_Generation said:
Book, chapter and verse for alters please.

Book, chapter and verse for merging alters please.

Since you have failed to produce Scriptures and you are teaching here, I have reported you to moderators for breaking the following CC rules:


1. Nothing anti-Christian, or inappropriate for a Christian chat room or forum.


And


11. Please do not attempt to charter a room for your own official scheduled event/Bible-teaching/Prayer-meeting/etc.
No one should think that they can officially charter one of our chat rooms for their own special event without permission/authorization from the Admin of this site. We make this rule for two reasons: (1) we don't want just anyone setting themselves up as an official teacher of the Bible here and making it seem officially organized by us; and (2) the rooms are meant for open chat, and no room should be controlled by any particular person (except as authorized by the Admin of this site).
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1 Cor. 12 speaks of the gifts of healing. Although the Holy Spirit came to us after Christ's assension He did not come with an instruction manual on how to administer healing. For this reason Christians have come up with ways to use the power of the Holy Spirit in ways that work. The sad thing about western civilization most people have indoctrinated that healing takes time. Yes Jesus can heal immediately but if your belief is in a process Jesus will meet you there. In no way am I attempting to teach how to minister to the broken hearted but merely stating how I have seen God work during ministering. God is awesome still and still heals.
 
You really don't get it, do you?

You post a verse from the Bible, then show how it applies to alters and DID.

Very simple!
 
Joshua_Generation said:
Book, chapter and verse for alters please.

Book, chapter and verse for merging alters please.

Since you have failed to produce Scriptures and you are teaching here, I have reported you to moderators for breaking the following CC rules:


1. Nothing anti-Christian, or inappropriate for a Christian chat room or forum.


And


11. Please do not attempt to charter a room for your own official scheduled event/Bible-teaching/Prayer-meeting/etc.
No one should think that they can officially charter one of our chat rooms for their own special event without permission/authorization from the Admin of this site. We make this rule for two reasons: (1) we don't want just anyone setting themselves up as an official teacher of the Bible here and making it seem officially organized by us; and (2) the rooms are meant for open chat, and no room should be controlled by any particular person (except as authorized by the Admin of this site).
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Technically there is nothing 'anti'Christian in this. Nothing here speaks against Christ or God or Christianity as a whole.

Also chartering chat rooms refers to the actual chat rooms that are real time, and has no bearing on people creating their own threads. The rule applies to chat rooms, not forums. So, for example, you can't decide that at 9PM on Monday you are going to take over the Bible Study chat room for a teaching/discussion on a topic of your choosing. Or to restrict others from coming in at that time so the discussion can be oriented to what you choose ahead of time.

In reality neither of these things you accuse him are broken rules. Not even close.

While i do not support this thread, i do not support deliverance ministries in general or everything the OP talks about, he has no broken a rule.
 
without supporting nor dismissing the op,

"health" involves the biggest expense /debt/ trouble/ in most/many families and
since
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root of all ALL all ALL aLl All AlL e....v....i.....l evil, Evil, EVil, evIL, EviL, EViL it is called conpirarcy by those who are ignorant of it.(most of the world and most churches don't realize the truth according to scripture and according to their own statements).

i.e. to be able to charge and get hundreds of thousands of dollars to continue to hurt someone by lying to them would not be possible
unless one of the HUGEST DECEPTIONS on earth , one of the most lying demons, was behind it.

how deceptive is it? just watch. several so-called trained 'christians' on this site support the demonic controlled system of health, without acknowledging what is true and in line with Scripture.

blue_ladybug said:
pardon my ignorance, but what is conspiratorial about MPD etc? This belongs in the Health forum.
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Some I think think MPD or DID is just a delusion, an excuse for spiritual influence.

Some have expressed all mental illness is really just evil spirits etc. So the idea I think is it is a conspiracy to relabel spiritual issues as personal issues.

For me personally the brain is a very complex organ of the body. It creates for us the world in which we live and processes the information into an acceptable form which we can handle. When the processing breaks down, whether physically, or emotionally, or in one of the many systems needed to make life work, people cannot cope with normal life which is then labelled a mental illness.

Some of the ideas of demons implies cast the demon out and the person will be well. Now this idea only works if you believe people are basically ok but various things happen to distort them. This is clearly not true. We all have a similar basic framework, but some are obviously better at things than others, some are missing basic functionality and others are very much out of control.

If anything those who push the demon agenda are actually proposing a conspiracy, rather than Jesus talking about life being a field with various types of plants growing and various conditions in which they may prosper or fail.

Now if someone can bring light to a problem, surely that is a good thing, unless ofcourse you think it is a demon speaking, in which case I think you need some serious help.
 
Me myself I know there is a balance and difference f sickness and spiritual sickness. If sickness is passed down through sin and if sickness is from the devil then sickness can and does have spiritual hands in it. Now I know the difference between a cold an chronic sickness brought on by a demon of depression. There are things of the mind that only God knows and no matter how you look at it only God can heal what is unknown
 
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