Music in Church?

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SeaBass said:
Will-worship is not following commands God gave in singing but instead one follows his own will doing as his own will pleases him.
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hypothetical questions:

would you say adding human commands to the scripture that are nowhere found in it, and which directly contradict the precepts given to us multiple times in the Bible, would be "following one's own will" ?

how about making laws like "touch not, handle not!" regarding things that the scriptures explicitly say are good... would that be "false humility and a shew of wisdom" ?

 
what about neglecting to speak to one another "in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs" ?
would that be "not following commands" ?

even though they hold that a certain encouragement from Paul is a strict and literal command, i still have yet to hear mr. Bass or mr. Jaw quote any song while conversing with us.

"i played my drum for Him, pa-rum-pa-pum-pum"
 
Chips Ahoy? Bah! I'll make some of my famous chocolate chip cookies, with oat flour and a chocolate bar ground up in the mix. (It's the oat flour that gives it that texture everyone loves.)
 
"What can this strange device be....when I touch it....it gives forth a sound. Its got wires that vibrate....and give music. What can this thing be that I've found."
 
posthuman said:
what about neglecting to speak to one another "in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs" ?
would that be "not following commands" ?

even though they hold that a certain encouragement from Paul is a strict and literal command, i still have yet to hear mr. Bass or mr. Jaw quote any song while conversing with us.

"i played my drum for Him, pa-rum-pa-pum-pum"
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Yes, but those who reject the usage of musical instruments in worship reject the Psalms and try to place them as part of the 613 Mosaic laws that we are not under. The book of Psalms is not the law, and can be used, applied, and used in everyday life as they do not contradict God's way.


[h=1]Psalm 150 [/h][h=3]Let All Things Praise the Lord[/h]150 Praise the Lord!

Praise God in His sanctuary;
Praise Him in His mighty firmament!

2 Praise Him for His mighty acts;
Praise Him according to His excellent greatness!

3 Praise Him with the sound of the trumpet;
Praise Him with the lute and harp!
4 Praise Him with the timbrel and dance;
Praise Him with stringed instruments and flutes!
5 Praise Him with loud cymbals;
Praise Him with clashing cymbals!

6 Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.

Praise the Lord!
 
SeaBass said:
David was not a Christian and did not worship as Christ's NT laws requires.
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sorry to drag this up again -- but the Spirit spoke to me about this accusation against David this week.


  • what makes one a "Christian" but that Christ is their Lord?
now what does David say:
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The LORD says to my lord:
"Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
(Psalm 110:1)
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David calls Him "Lord" -- and if you contest this, you contest with Christ Himself - who quoted this and affirmed that David speaks of the Messiah (Matthew 22:41-46)

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  • what did Jesus say about how His followers should worship?
"in spirit and in truth"
if you say that David did not worship in this way, you say that David is a liar and that He did not know the spirit of God.
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i respect that anyone whose conscience cannot bear music abstains from it for their own sake and does so for the Lord, and in no way would force a piano or a guitar on anyone.
but in order to come to the conclusion that it should be forbidden, and make it as a law, as though the scriptures prohibit it, you curse against the Lord's anointed and set the scripture against itself. this is confusion and ridiculously bad hermeneutic, and the more you try to justify the position with scripture, the worse your error becomes.

please, acknowledge God and do not judge His servants for rejoicing in Him. this is a trivial thing that you should not allow yourself to blaspheme for - He will​ correct you.

 
who is able to free someone from the clutches of antichrist ? (the world church that has been in power since constantine (who never became a christian) g
gained power along with the wolves and the false teachers who stayed in power right up to today ? )

how many ways and means and people has GOD used to set roman caths free from the deception they were trapped in ????

step by step by step, many lives have been delivered from hasatan's DECEPTION(the rcc and all with it)
not
many
compared to those on the wide road to destruction who never work out their salvation at all, ever,

but as many as the lord our god shall call to himself and chose to show mercy to.....

note here, at this following link, over 100 clear and perfect reasons to reject the antichrist :>>>

Why I left the Roman Catholic church! (personal testimony)

and
even
if
it's not to a perfect relationship at some point along the way, look how many on this site and thread CLAIM that they
cannot be perfect, as if GOD is not able to fulfill his word in them....... (that site does not promote perfection, by the way --- just steps to salvation, according to scripture only instead of hasatan's precepts. )

the point being, if so many on this thread and forum conclude that they cannot be perfect, that means they are at some point in the being set free from hasatan and from sin and from the world and from the flesh

and IF GOD USES the particular group to set someone/ many ones/ free from hasatan's antichrist rcc doctrines,

then that is GOOD. right ?
 
The anti's (non-instrumentalist) are all in "one accord" in call for New Testament authority for the use of instrumental music. Here they would have us believe that the Old Testament, wherein various instruments were commonly used in the praise and worship of the Lord, has no bearing upon the matter.

The fact is, the only scriptures used during the ministry of Jesus and the early church were the Old Testament Scriptures, and they are often quoted and referred to. Look up the word "scriptures" or "as it is written" in a Bible concordance and you will see it used many times by the New Testament writers.

Thus, it is a gross error to assert that everything in the Old Testament is somehow "abrogated," or has no application to us now (See 2 Timothy 3:15; Romans 15:4; 1 Cor. 9:9,10; Acts 24:14).

Since instrumental music has the Old Testament precedent of being approved of God ("musical instruments of God" 1 Chronicles 16:42), and there is no evidence that there was a time when this approval ceased, we have biblical authority for its validity.

We are authorized to use “psalms” in the NT (Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16). Ephesians 5:19 says "..speaking to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs.." and correspondingly Colossians 3:16 says to, "..admonish one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs." The word "psalm" in the Greek dictionary, definition (#5568): "A set piece of music, i.e. a sacred ode (accompanied with the voice, harp, or other instrument)." The root word of psalm means "to twitch, twang or pluck," such as pluck a string of a musical instrument."

Strong's Concordance
psalmos: a striking (of musical strings), a psalm
Original Word: ψαλμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: psalmos
Phonetic Spelling: (psal-mos')
Short Definition: a psalm
Definition: a psalm, song of praise, the Hebrew book of Psalms.
HELPS Word-studies
5568 psalmós – a psalm ("Scripture set to music"). Originally, a psalm (5568 /psalmós) was sung and accompanied by a plucked musical instrument (typically a harp), especially the OT Psalms.

[The Psalms of the OT were often sung and were accompanied by sophisticated musical arrangements].

NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from psalló
Definition
a striking (of musical strings), a psalm
NASB Translation
Psalm (1), psalm (1), Psalms (3), psalms (2).

The words "making melody" are used in Ephesians 5:19, but "how" this is done is found in Isaiah 23:16, and it is with a musical instrument: "Take an harp, go about the city, thou harlot that hast been forgotten; make sweet melody, sing many songs, that thou mayest be remembered."

Also, Amos 5:23 speaks of "the melody of thy viols," which is also reference to a musical instrument. So if "the Bible interprets itself," these passages show "how" to make melody – with musical instruments.
 
I see someone dug up a 2 year thread but I'll add my 2 cents. God sees the heart and honors people who worship him with or without instruments. In my opinion the no instruments doctrine is just petty. I believe this is a Church of Christ doctrine who also believe they're the only ones going to heaven
 
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Dude653 said:
I see someone dug up a 2 year thread but I'll add my 2 cents. God sees the heart and honors people who worship him with or without instruments. In my opinion the no instruments doctrine is just petty. I believe this is a Church of Christ doctrine who also believe they're the only ones going to heaven
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Well, to be fair, most of the churches of Christ have tossed the idea aside of being the only ones going to heaven...
That pretty much went away about 25 years ago. Yes, some still think that, but so do some Baptist churches, and some Methodist, etc....

The reason they give for not using them is that there is NO mention of them being used in the first century church. Lots of mention of singing, just no "playing".....
 
Dude653 said:
Are pews mentioned? Chairs? Carpet? Wallpaper?.....
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Nope....neither was 4 part harmony. All these things are simply aids, or ways to assist the worship service...
and that's been my thought all along about instruments.
I don't have a problem with instruments in worship, unless the instrument/band BECOMES the worship. If people are just jamming along, not singing, then we've created a hindrance to the worship that God wants...

It could be argued that the person PLAYING the instrument is worshipping God, using his talents... and I know that there are MANY ways to worship, but if someone is there just to enjoy the "pretty piano playing" then we should perhaps revisit the role of the instruments at that point.
And, just because perhaps one church has a problem with "too much show" and scales back their use of instruments, doesn't make it binding on any OTHER church... each church should work that out for what is best for THEIR body of believers.

I see this much as what Paul said in 1 Corinthians....
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Even though I am a free man with no master, I have become a slave to all people to bring many to Christ. [SUP]20 [/SUP]When I was with the Jews, I lived like a Jew to bring the Jews to Christ. When I was with those who follow the Jewish law, I too lived under that law. Even though I am not subject to the law, I did this so I could bring to Christ those who are under the law. [SUP]21 [/SUP]When I am with the Gentiles who do not follow the Jewish law,[SUP][e][/SUP] I too live apart from that law so I can bring them to Christ. But I do not ignore the law of God; I obey the law of Christ.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]When I am with those who are weak, I share their weakness, for I want to bring the weak to Christ. Yes, I try to find common ground with everyone, doing everything I can to save some. [SUP]23 [/SUP]I do everything to spread the Good News and share in its blessings.
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while we have the freedom to use instruments, or not, our FIRST and main priority should be to promote the body of Christ..
 
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