Muslim Religion

[peacenik]

Hi Peacenik,
How can you say that Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah in the sense that Christians do??
Are they looking to Jesus to forgive their sins?
Do they accept Him and follow His ways?

Jesus is just a PROPHET to them. A prophet is not the Messiah. They HATE us because we believe in Jesus. JESUS is contrary to all their beliefs. Jews may deny Him as the Christ, but they believe in the same God YOU believe in.

Muslims do not follow GOD. They follow MUHHAMAD.
Does YOUR God ask you to kill the infidel?
YOU are the infidel.
Even moderate Muslims who truly follow GOD are the infidels.
Ask yourself why they don't speak up more. Could it be out of fear?

They might say that "He sent down the gospel of Jesus" - so? They make Jesus out to be just another teacher, like Buddha, like Krishna, like Confucious. So how could you say they BELIEVE in Jesus.

Also, you said that Bush is viewed as a terrorist and genocidal imperialist. Where? Here is Europe he's seen as a bit of a war hawk. I think you take your description too far. I DO wonder how you could say such things. Do you not LOVE where you live? The whole world would like to live in the States.

So why do you care what any nation thinks of him anyway? Do you realize that man nations speak out of envy? Do you think we should be doing what other nations believe is correct or should we be doing what WE think is correct? You really care what 3rd world nations think of the U.S.?? I'll bet you think Europe should be taking care of its own problems with all the migrants coming from Isis led war torn countries because nothing is being done to help the helpless. Wouldn't it have been nice if Obama set up Safe Zones in Syria, for example, so swarms of people would not have had to leave their homes.

And what were we supposed to do after 9/11? Just do nothing, like Clinton did when the garage of WTC 1 was bombed back in the 90's? Maybe if there had been some retaliation for that, 9/11 might have never happened. We'll never know. I do know that when you do nothing to protect yourself the enemy becomes emboldened and does more, not less.
Just think of a bully in a shool. Does he bother the weak or the strong? It's the same Peacenik.

I'm not going to say anymore. I truly believe you're in the dark as to what's happening
Or you dislike your country.

Fran

Hi Fran,


The first part of your note has already been answered. You are free to believe what you will.


As for Bush, if you are European then you saw the MILLIONS who marched in protest against his imperialism whether in London, Spain, or wherever - not just the 3d world as you say:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003,_anti-war_protests

It is silly to suggest that one does not like their country just because they want peace. After all, if you are a Christian you know that "blessed are the peace makers", not the warmongers. Now read the Downing Street Memo and you will see that Bush is an imperialist. Soon enough the Chilcot Inquiry results will be released and it will show that Bush's ally Blair had a significant role in that war as well.

As for ISIS, it came to existence under Bush due to the chaos he created: Former Military Official Says George W. Bush Created ISIS | US News



The usual pattern of right wing denial has no basis in truth or reality. There is no possible justification for Bush's wars of imperialistic terrorism in the Middle East and much of the chaos there is rightfully attributable to his actions. Even legal scholar Ben Ferencz who worked at the Nuremberg trials acknowledged that Bush should have been subjected to a Nuremberg trial for his crimes, his so called "crusade" based on lies and deception, none of which are in compliance with the Bible's teachings. All of this is not fashionable or politically correct among right wingers. This is a great irony considering that so many claim to worship the Prince of Peace but who, somehow, find every excuse imaginable to criticize the sins committed by Muslims while defending those professing "Christians" who promote and "justify" war.



If you truly love Jesus and all he stands for do as you are instructed in the Bible: turn the other cheek, love your enemies, bless them, pray for them, make peace with ALL men. If you are going to condemn the spot in some Muslim's eyes, then erase the log in your own. There is no question that Muslims, like all humans, have fallen short of the glory. But Christians or Christian professing types are not exempt from any of this.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Peacenik, ask your muslim friend if he believes that Christ is the Son of God, the Emmanuel, who died for our sins. Ask if he believes that he will be the king who will reign in Israel over all the world forever, worshiped by every nation and tongue.


You will find out that no, they do NOT believe in the same Jesus that we do. But I bet hell try to encourage you by telling you they also believe He was born from a virgin : p

 

[peacenik]

Peacenik, ask your muslim friend if he believes that Christ is the Son of God, the Emmanuel, who died for our sins. Ask if he believes that he will be the king who will reign in Israel over all the world forever, worshiped by every nation and tongue.


You will find out that no, they do NOT believe in the same Jesus that we do. But I bet hell try to encourage you by telling you they also believe He was born from a virgin : p

this answers much of your question as Islam venerates Mary about as much as do Catholics:

​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_in_Islam

 

[FranC]

Hi Fran,


The first part of your note has already been answered. You are free to believe what you will.


As for Bush, if you are European then you saw the MILLIONS who marched in protest against his imperialism whether in London, Spain, or wherever - not just the 3d world as you say:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003,_anti-war_protests

It is silly to suggest that one does not like their country just because they want peace. After all, if you are a Christian you know that "blessed are the peace makers", not the warmongers. Now read the Downing Street Memo and you will see that Bush is an imperialist. Soon enough the Chilcot Inquiry results will be released and it will show that Bush's ally Blair had a significant role in that war as well.

As for ISIS, it came to existence under Bush due to the chaos he created: Former Military Official Says George W. Bush Created ISIS | US News



The usual pattern of right wing denial has no basis in truth or reality. There is no possible justification for Bush's wars of imperialistic terrorism in the Middle East and much of the chaos there is rightfully attributable to his actions. Even legal scholar Ben Ferencz who worked at the Nuremberg trials acknowledged that Bush should have been subjected to a Nuremberg trial for his crimes, his so called "crusade" based on lies and deception, none of which are in compliance with the Bible's teachings. All of this is not fashionable or politically correct among right wingers. This is a great irony considering that so many claim to worship the Prince of Peace but who, somehow, find every excuse imaginable to criticize the sins committed by Muslims while defending those professing "Christians" who promote and "justify" war.



If you truly love Jesus and all he stands for do as you are instructed in the Bible: turn the other cheek, love your enemies, bless them, pray for them, make peace with ALL men. If you are going to condemn the spot in some Muslim's eyes, then erase the log in your own. There is no question that Muslims, like all humans, have fallen short of the glory. But Christians or Christian professing types are not exempt from any of this.

I quoted different scripture to you regarding what Jesus taught about loving your enemy.
There is nothing further to be said.
Except that you're wrong about everything
and also what you said about Europeans - not all of them are stupid enough to believe the same
type of propaganda that you yourself believe.

I'll read your link and reply to it if necessary,but I doubt it'll do any good.

For now, you think Isis didn't exist prior to 9/11? This is interesting. They were just waiting for their chance - they got it after Bin Laden was killed.

Fran

 

[peacenik]

I continue to be amazed and, frankly quite disappointed, to see such open display of hostility towards any form of dissension from the usual conformity to right wing mythology that is so pervasive in the USA. Nowhere in the Bible are Christian professing types instructed to wage genocidal war or to torture innocents such as in Abu Ghraib or to defend such evils in any way. That Jewish Prince of all Peaceniks and his followers told us to do good to your enemies and to replace evil with good (Romans 12:21). Love thy neighbor it says. Not "hate thy neighbor" or anything like that.

In this on going argument that we are having on this thread, whose side would the Prince of Peace be taking?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Once again youre accusing people who disagree that Islam is from God of hating them for disagreeing that Islam is from God. And for some reason, you seem to want to convince everyone that Christianity and Islam are basically the same, even though they arent, they contradict each other, both consider each other blasphemous and ignore the fact that Islamic militants kill Christians for their faith in Christ and just keep claiming "well America kills people too" which isnt even relevant to the topic anyways. America does not have a doctrine that tells its believers to make war with those who dont believe in America, and it is not a religion that leads people away from our God.

And Christ would support His followers, why on earth would he support you for standing against those who spread the Gospel to people who are following a doctrine that contradicts everything He taught us? No one here has even called muslims theyre enemy, you just keep claiming that disagreeing that their doctrine is from God is "mean".

 

[peacenik]

As I have previously pointed out, here in the Twin Cities Imam Abdisalam Adam followed the example of Jesus by spreading love instead of hate to stop the menace of ISIS and radical Muslim recruitment. I am recommending that the entire Christian professing world do the same to stop radicals. This along with evangelizing would certainly stop the immense growth of Islam here in the West. Nobody is stopping you, the multi billion dollar mega churches, or anyone else from doing the same.

Overcome evil with good - ​it is so written.

 

[FranC]

I continue to be amazed and, frankly quite disappointed, to see such open display of hostility towards any form of dissension from the usual conformity to right wing mythology that is so pervasive in the USA. Nowhere in the Bible are Christian professing types instructed to wage genocidal war or to torture innocents such as in Abu Ghraib or to defend such evils in any way. That Jewish Prince of all Peaceniks and his followers told us to do good to your enemies and to replace evil with good (Romans 12:21). Love thy neighbor it says. Not "hate thy neighbor" or anything like that.

In this on going argument that we are having on this thread, whose side would the Prince of Peace be taking?

Let's see:

I say God would side with Islam.
He just LOVES people who kidnap, torture, burn, crucify, behead
and all other manner of evil

Those who do not agree with them.

Yeah. I say God will side with those.

Fran

 

[FranC]

As I have previously pointed out, here in the Twin Cities Imam Abdisalam Adam followed the example of Jesus by spreading love instead of hate to stop the menace of ISIS and radical Muslim recruitment. I am recommending that the entire Christian professing world do the same to stop radicals. This along with evangelizing would certainly stop the immense growth of Islam here in the West. Nobody is stopping you, the multi billion dollar mega churches, or anyone else from doing the same.

Overcome evil with good - ​it is so written.

HOW exactly am I to stop the growth of Islam?
By praying?
That's sweet.

HOW do you stop a thief from entering your home?
You kneel down and pray?

Did you know that, basically, prayer is to discover the will of God for your life?
Do you think God is Santa Claus?
Do you get everything you pray for?
Please teach me your method.
He's not here to do MY will
I'M here to do HIS will

Many Muslims are converting to the Christian faith.
So what?
Has that stopped any of the genocide going on?
How come you seem to think Bush caused genocide
BUT you can't seem to grasp that Islam is causing genocide.

I say you're prejudiced. And greatly so.
And this is clouding everything you see and believe.
You're prejudiced against Christians and Americans.

Where do you live?
How about moving on over to Saudi Arabia for a couple of years.

Yes. Please let me know where you live and if you've ever lived in the Middle East.

Fran

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

As I have previously pointed out, here in the Twin Cities Imam Abdisalam Adam followed the example of Jesus by spreading love instead of hate to stop the menace of ISIS and radical Muslim recruitment. I am recommending that the entire Christian professing world do the same to stop radicals. This along with evangelizing would certainly stop the immense growth of Islam here in the West. Nobody is stopping you, the multi billion dollar mega churches, or anyone else from doing the same.

Overcome evil with good - ​it is so written.

No one here is saying we need to gather against the muslims and kill them. As for the ones attacking the unbelievers, well yeah obviously people are gonna fight back, thats how the world works. Other than that, this thread is not about killing muslims. Telling muslims that theyre god and our God are not the same is not murder.

 

[peacenik]

No one here is saying we need to gather against the muslims and kill them. As for the ones attacking the unbelievers, well yeah obviously people are gonna fight back, thats how the world works. Other than that, this thread is not about killing muslims. Telling muslims that theyre god and our God are not the same is not murder.

Good of you to refrain from the immature emotionalism and innuendo that Fran resorts to. She has obviously failed to read Ephesians 4:29 or James 4:11 and needs to adhere to these teachings before she engages in such unsuitable wording of her posts.



"Telling muslims that theyre god and our God are not the same is not murder."

I agree on that it is not murder. But Jesus and his followers said that to hate constitutes murder {I John 3:15} and there shall be no salvation for people who do that. I have yet to see any love offered on this thread to Muslims or any effort to correct error on their part. If we are to obey the Bible then we must overcome any perceived evil with good. So what do you propose we do to employ LOVE in order to solve the issues that so plague on today?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Good of you to refrain from the immature emotionalism and innuendo that Fran resorts to. She has obviously failed to read Ephesians 4:29 or James 4:11 and needs to adhere to these teachings before she engages in such unsuitable wording of her posts.


"Telling muslims that theyre god and our God are not the same is not murder."

I agree on that it is not murder. But Jesus and his followers said that to hate constitutes murder {I John 3:15} and there shall be no salvation for people who do that. I have yet to see any love offered on this thread to Muslims or any effort to correct error on their part. If we are to obey the Bible then we must overcome any perceived evil with good. So what do you propose we do to employ LOVE in order to solve the issues that so plague on today?

Lets say a worshiper of Baal came to the forum and started talking about how their god and our God were actually the same god. How would you respond?

 

[willfollowsGod]

Peacenik, those who say that Islam is from Satan, are not hating Muslims. I pray for those Muslims and the mob who have falsely accused Asia Bibi of blasphemy, who is in jail awaiting execution. I pray for Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-Shabab, etc to have visions and dreams of Jesus and to accept him as their personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for their sins, and rose again on the third day. Sadly some do hate Muslims, but not all. Stop the assuming, you do not know our hearts and stop Bush-whacking, liberals like to do it. I believe all Christians would not support what happened at Abu Ghraib. While I do not agree with a lot of his choices, I would take him over Barack Obama any day. Obama and his administration are persecuting Christians, subjecting our women and children to indecent exposure in public bathrooms, allowing a backdoor for pedophiles and other nefarious characters to get their victims, confusing our children about their God-given sex or gender which used to be synonymous and not separate, saying that the Bible supports the transgender directive, which it does not in Genesis, Matthew, and Mark. Any religion that is not of God, is of Satan. That includes JWs, Wicca, Mormonism, Islam Scientology, etc. Christianity has a founder and his name is Jesus and he said in John 14:6, "I am the way and the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through me. This statement is denied by Islam and one claim they would falsely use is that the Bible has been corrupted by Christians, which it has not been. In fact, Galatians 1:6-9 goes against all the religions I said except Christianity. Here it is:

Galatians 1:6-9
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

I am starting to doubt if you are actually a Christian peacenik, with your attitude toward the brothers and sisters in Christ who are in this thread. In fact there is nothing evil or wrong about lovingly correcting a believer in Christ as long as it done with gentleness and respect (firmness is allowed when coupled with respect as well). Now, 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

I love you, peacenik and so does kaylagirl, FranC, and the others in this thread. You can hate a system, but love the people stuck in the system. It is possible through the love that Christ has lavished on us. We in turn want to lavish on others that same kind of love through our testimonies, through our lives, and through our words. Thanks. God bless.

 

[Arder_of_Hearts]

I do not hate breed. A Christian, a Muslim, a Catholic, a Buddhist It does not matter to me who you are I will want to see you live your life happily and see your family prosper I do. I have no time to argue a thing about who you believe God to be I may never see you at my church and I'm okay by that for as long as we are friends and have virtue. I have Jesus and he has died for all our sins and it does mean a lot to me to see a person read the Bible and turn to Jesus. I won't be judged by anyone for being curious about how my friend worships or what they may read I'll be glad to talk on it. Should it be that my friend frustrates with me for my faith then they can but I won't feed into that I'll make my pardon and go. I care for people and we are to love our enemy it is written so why take offense in the first place, why struggle? In this forum we have rules to false teachings, everyone signed off on the EULA and that's that. Be excellent to each other.

Have a blessed day

Jesus Saves

 

[PlainWord]

PlainWord
The Catholic Pope has always been against any type of war.
The only war he's been in favor of, is the war against Islam and its terrorists.
He said they're to be stopped from what they're doing.
It's pretty serious when the Pope says it's okay to go to war!

I'm not Catholic but I can say that people who think the A/C is coming from them are sadly
mistaken.

I wish I knew how to put you on my "friend" list so I could follow you around a little.
I'd have much to learn from you. I'm totally ignorant of the end time prophecies. Well, not totally - but almost!

I could tell you've studied this a lot and have come to good conclusions.
Will be watching the video.

Thanks
Fran

Thanks Fran,

You of course are absolutely correct about the Pope and RCC. They certainly are NOT the false harlot religion and they have no desire or intention to invade Israel and starting beheading non-Catholics. Italians do not mourn by throwing dust on their heads and Rome is certainly not located in a wilderness/desert.

Yes, please watch the video, I learned more from it than I did by 1,000 hours of studying. Once I understood who the Harlot is (ISLAM) then it wasn't hard to figure out who its followers are (Muslims). From there it is easy to see who will take the "mark of the Beast."

 

[FranC]

Thanks Fran,

You of course are absolutely correct about the Pope and RCC. They certainly are NOT the false harlot religion and they have no desire or intention to invade Israel and starting beheading non-Catholics. Italians do not mourn by throwing dust on their heads and Rome is certainly not located in a wilderness/desert.

Yes, please watch the video, I learned more from it than I did by 1,000 hours of studying. Once I understood who the Harlot is (ISLAM) then it wasn't hard to figure out who its followers are (Muslims). From there it is easy to see who will take the "mark of the Beast."

Hi PlainWord
Did you say Rome is not in a desert?
Can we be sure of that?

The last time I went through the Roman Forum (about 4 yrs ago) and the Coliseum and got out the other side,
it sure did FEEL like a desert!
And, I got charged about $4.50 for a small bottle of water that usually costs about $1.00!!

Will be letting you know about the video. Will have some time tomorrow...

Fran

 

[peacenik]

Lets say a worshiper of Baal came to the forum and started talking about how their god and our God were actually the same god. How would you respond?

Such a post would violate the forum's TOS it would be deleted before anyone could respond.

 

[peacenik]

Peacenik, those who say that Islam is from Satan, are not hating Muslims. I pray for those Muslims and the mob who have falsely accused Asia Bibi of blasphemy, who is in jail awaiting execution. I pray for Boko Haram, ISIS, Al-Shabab, etc to have visions and dreams of Jesus and to accept him as their personal Savior ...



I am starting to doubt if you are actually a Christian peacenik, with your attitude toward the brothers and sisters in Christ who are in this thread. In fact there is nothing evil or wrong about lovingly correcting a believer in Christ as long as it done with gentleness and respect (firmness is allowed when coupled with respect as well). Now, 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

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I love you, peacenik and so does kaylagirl, FranC, and the others in this thread. You can hate a system, but love the people stuck in the system. It is possible through the love that Christ has lavished on us. We in turn want to lavish on others that same kind of love through our testimonies, through our lives, and through our words. Thanks. God bless.

You have a lot to say there much of which I have already addressed.

As for gay or transgender rights, Donald Trump who is so beloved by many on the right wing was one of the biggest supporters of these rights. He, like so many in this country, including President Obama whom you so strongly disagree with, look to the Constitution's equal protection clause which protects all citizens. In a society which adheres to the concept of disestablishment (separation of church and state) neither you nor I have any choice on this matter - we must respect what the courts have ruled and how legislation is enacted in this regard. By the way, President GHW Bush, VP Dick Cheney, and Laura Bush have gone on record as strongly supporting gay rights. Strangely no right winger ever attacks them for their open support of such legislation.

I have disagreed with JW's and Mormons but am not sure I can put them in the same category as Scientology, Wicca, or other Satan created cults.


"I am starting to doubt if you are actually a Christian peacenik" - just as a caution, according to the same Bible you quote, it is not your business to be judging me just as I do not judge you. Whether you agree with me or not, you can plainly see that I can easily quote the Bible as well as any preacher or anyone who claims to know that book.


Thank you for expressing the love that you say is in your heart. Now let us see if there are ways we can extend that love to Muslims whether in the Middle East, the USA, or anywhere else. Let us see if we can duplicate the successful actions of Imam Abdulsalis Adam who single handedly defeated the radical Muslims here in the Twin Cities. If one man can do so in the biggest recruitment center outside of the ME, what can 1,000 people do? What can one million do? What can ten million do? This is my challenge to all on this forum - what are you doing to duplicate the action of Imam Adam so as to bring about peace?

 

[PlainWord]

Hi PlainWord
Did you say Rome is not in a desert?
Can we be sure of that?

The last time I went through the Roman Forum (about 4 yrs ago) and the Coliseum and got out the other side,
it sure did FEEL like a desert!
And, I got charged about $4.50 for a small bottle of water that usually costs about $1.00!!

Will be letting you know about the video. Will have some time tomorrow...

Fran

No Rome is not in a desert. I walked through the Coliseum and Forum in July 2011. Also went to the Trevi Fountain, the Pantheon, and the Vatican. Perhaps we ran into each other? Brought my own water so avoided that .

[SUP]3 [/SUP]So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast...

In John's day, Rome was probably the biggest metropolitan area in the world, or certainly that he'd seen. John surely would have recognized where he was if indeed he was taken to Rome in 96 AD. Mecca, in 96 AD, was nothing more than a small collection of tents in the wilderness. As far as we know, John was never in Mecca before.

Ask yourself. Where did the Children of Israel go when they left Egypt and wandered about for 40 years? What sea did they cross?

Exodus 13:18

So God led the people around by way of the wilderness of the Red Sea. And the children of Israel went up in orderly ranks out of the land of Egypt.

What religious city is across the Red Sea from Egypt, Rome or Mecca?

Did you know that Mecca is located 666 nautical miles from the Temple Mount? Not saying it means anything, but it is interesting. The Red Sea is also the 2nd largest shipping lane in the whole world.

 

[Arder_of_Hearts]

Welcome all and seek ye first the kingdom of God.