Nation against Nation

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Omegatime

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Matthew 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Nation against nation means gentiles against gentiles

Anyone else see greater wars coming in the near future??
 

Gideon300

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Matthew 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Nation against nation means gentiles against gentiles

Anyone else see greater wars coming in the near future??
The casualty toll in the Russia - Ukraine war is the highest in a European conflict since WW2. Around half a million died in the Syrian civil war, 300,000 in Yemen, China has fought India, there is war in Sudan and many places in Africa, much of it Islamists against the rest. We've also seen Afghanistan, Israel v Arabs states and Iran, not to mention Ethiopia.

China has promised to invade Taiwan. The only thing that moderates China's aggression is its need for Western markets to sell its goods to. I doubt that moderation extends to Taiwan.

Nations have fought other nations since forever. What Lord Jesus said was fascinating, because Rome ruled much of Europe with an iron fist for about 200 years. Dissent was not tolerated, as Israel found out when it rebelled against Rome. Very few nations dared take on Rome until about 180 AD. Then the Roman empire began to collapse. The end came in AD192 with a civil war in the Roman empire.

My concern is the war between Islam and the rest of the world. The Muslim invasion of Europe has been peaceful, unlike the campaigns of the 8th century. There is something like 30 million Muslims in Europe. That's 30 million potential Jihadists. As a Muslim woman said to someone I met, they had better learn Arabic, for when Islam takes over.
 

Leastofall

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All nations will come against Israel in one way or another. Is Israel gentile then?
 

Hakawaka

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My concern is the war between Islam and the rest of the world. The Muslim invasion of Europe has been peaceful, unlike the campaigns of the 8th century. There is something like 30 million Muslims in Europe. That's 30 million potential Jihadists. As a Muslim woman said to someone I met, they had better learn Arabic, for when Islam takes over.
As a European this is concerning.

I will make it a point to never learn arabic, infact they will have to kill me and they better come with an army. I despise these roaches that have infested the european host. There is nothing more disgusting than a rapefugee who comes over to another land and does not respect the host nation one bit, but will instead milk it dry and throw their weight around to dominate the native population. Of course the european gutless masses are being overly polite and friendly, which will be their doom.

Becoming a refugee is a cowardice act as it is, but being a coward who refuses to fight for his land and then comes in to a foreign nation that feeds them from cradle to the grave and disrespects them and bites the hand that feeds them? That is such level of disrespect it cannot be tolerated.
 

GWH

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The casualty toll in the Russia - Ukraine war is the highest in a European conflict since WW2. Around half a million died in the Syrian civil war, 300,000 in Yemen, China has fought India, there is war in Sudan and many places in Africa, much of it Islamists against the rest. We've also seen Afghanistan, Israel v Arabs states and Iran, not to mention Ethiopia.

China has promised to invade Taiwan. The only thing that moderates China's aggression is its need for Western markets to sell its goods to. I doubt that moderation extends to Taiwan.

Nations have fought other nations since forever. What Lord Jesus said was fascinating, because Rome ruled much of Europe with an iron fist for about 200 years. Dissent was not tolerated, as Israel found out when it rebelled against Rome. Very few nations dared take on Rome until about 180 AD. Then the Roman empire began to collapse. The end came in AD192 with a civil war in the Roman empire.

My concern is the war between Islam and the rest of the world. The Muslim invasion of Europe has been peaceful, unlike the campaigns of the 8th century. There is something like 30 million Muslims in Europe. That's 30 million potential Jihadists. As a Muslim woman said to someone I met, they had better learn Arabic, for when Islam takes over.
The struggle of nation against nation and person against person is what I refer to as KOTH (king of the hill).

I could see KOTH leading to WW3 and Armageddon before MAGA won the recent election in America, because the Marxists might have been the Man of Lawlessness (2THS 2:3-4), but now his revelation seems to be delayed.

I agree that KOTH seems to be a pincer movement between the Commies and the Islamist Jihadists, so both are major concerns.

However, I understand there are more Christians in China than in America, and I understand there are more peaceable Muslims than there are Christians, so perhaps the KOG will evangelize the world before the end (MT 24:14).
 

homwardbound

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Matthew 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Nation against nation means gentiles against gentiles

Anyone else see greater wars coming in the near future??
More like people against people as we have seen happening ever since the resurrection of Son for me at least, Usually in group(s) tha tis why I do not attend any building, man has built and claimed it is God's
Hebrews 8:1-4 not seen or talked about much. The Temple was destroyed in AD 70. Man has rebuilt it and dressed it up and looks well, it is full of dead mans bones. That is what I see after being in religion that taught me truth about my own flesh nature that I despise now, thanks
 

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Matthew 24:6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Nation against nation means gentiles against gentiles

Anyone else see greater wars coming in the near future??
That all has already happened. We call it the "world war." The second was simply the continuation of the first, and there will possibly be more of the same coming our way in these end times.

MM
 

Magenta

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As a European this is concerning.

I will make it a point to never learn arabic, in fact they will have to kill me and they better come with an army. I despise these roaches that have infested the european host. There is nothing more disgusting than a rapefugee who comes over to another land and does not respect the host nation one bit, but will instead milk it dry and throw their weight around to dominate the native population. Of course the european gutless masses are being overly polite and friendly, which will be their doom.

Becoming a refugee is a cowardice act as it is, but being a coward who refuses to fight for his land and then comes in to a foreign nation that feeds them from cradle to the grave and disrespects them and bites the hand that feeds them? That is such level of disrespect it cannot be tolerated.
They have made their intentions plain, and they are following their rule book. The deception that Islam is a religion of peace
is widely broadcast by the deceived masses, and if you tell others what Islam actually teaches, you are called a racist hater.


In Dr. Peter Hammond’s book, “Slavery, Terrorism and Islam,” he documents the way Muslims slowly develop a presence in
various countries, and as their population numbers build, become more aggressive and assertive about exercising Sharia law.


“Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a
complete, total, 100% system of life,” Dr. Hammond notes in his book.


“Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components.
The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.”


Their takeover of a country, what Dr. Hammond refers to as “Islamization,” begins when the
population of Muslims reaches a critical mass, and they being to agitate for various privileges.


Open, free, democratic societies are particularly vulnerable. “When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies
agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well,” he notes.


This is how it works, according to Dr. Hammond:

When the Muslim population remains under 2% in a country, they will be seen primarily as
a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to other citizens. This was the situation in 2015:


United States — Muslim 0.6%

Australia — Muslim 1.5%

Canada — Muslim 1.9%

China — Muslim 1.8%

Italy — Muslim 1.5%

Norway — Muslim 1.8%

As the Muslim population reaches 2% to 5%, they begin to recruit from ethnic minorities
and disaffected groups, within prisons and street gangs. This is happening in:


Denmark — Muslim 2%

Germany — Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%

Spain — Muslim 4%

Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

“From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the
population,” Dr. Hammond notes. “For example, they will push for the introduction of halal
(clean by Islamic standards) food” and increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature
such food on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is happening in:


France — Muslim 8%

Philippines — 5%

Sweden — Muslim 5%

Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

Soon they begin to apply pressure to allow Sharia law within their own communities (sometimes ghettos).

“When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of
complaint about their conditions,” Dr. Hammond notes. “In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings.
Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with
opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam.” These tensions are seen on a regular basis in:


Guyana — Muslim 10%

India — Muslim 13.4%

Israel — Muslim 16%

Kenya — Muslim 10%

Russia — Muslim 15%

The violence increases when the Muslim population reaches 20%. “After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting,
jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues,” such as in:


Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

“At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare,” such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%

Chad — Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, persecution of non-believing “infidels” rises significantly, including sporadic ethnic
cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia law as a weapon, and Jizya, a tax placed on infidels, such as in:


Albania — Muslim 70%

Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%

Qatar — Muslim 77.5%

Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these
nations drive out “infidels,” and move toward a 100% Muslim society, which has been experienced to some degree in:


Bangladesh — Muslim 83%

Egypt — Muslim 90%

Gaza — Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%

Iran — Muslim 98%

Iraq — Muslim 97%

Jordan — Muslim 92%

Morocco — Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan — Muslim 97%

Palestine — Muslim 99%

Syria — Muslim 90%

Tajikistan — Muslim 90%

Turkey — Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

A 100% Muslim society will theoretically usher in their version of peace — the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ —
the Islamic House of Peace. “Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the
Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word,” such as in:


Afghanistan — Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%

Somalia — Muslim 100%

Yemen — Muslim 100%

Dr. Hammond observes this Islamic ideal is seldom realized. “Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.”

“It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia law,” he states.

Dr. Hammond is also concerned by demographic trends. “Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population,” he observes. “But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s population by the end of this century.” source

 

Omegatime

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When Jesus was addressing his words-Nation against Nation-he was talking to his disciples in Jerusalem in Israel so he couldn't have have been talking about Israel but events that would happen outside Israel.
 

GWH

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When Jesus was addressing his words-Nation against Nation-he was talking to his disciples in Jerusalem in Israel so he couldn't have have been talking about Israel but events that would happen outside Israel.
Not sure why you think that since the entire Bible is about people and nations against God and his people and the Jews are currently fighting against Islamists