No man knows the day or hour

[Grace911]

Word & Truth - connecting line upon line, precept upon precept.

Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Psa 119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Psa_33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Heb_13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Isa_43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. (Strong's H3444 = Yeshua)

 

[PennEd]

@Grace911 The issue with this is that circumcision no longer works as a way to identify God's people. Because guess who is the largest circumcised group in the world? Yup, you guessed it, it would be MUSLIMS.

Galatians 5
11Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

 

[Moses_Young]

@Grace911 The issue with this is that circumcision no longer works as a way to identify God's people. Because guess who is the largest circumcised group in the world? Yup, you guessed it, it would be MUSLIMS.

Even since Old Testament times, circumcision was widely practiced - not just among God's people (although possibly it started with Abraham first). Probably the Philistines were the best known for being uncircumcised, but the Egyptians and many other groups who the Israelites had contact with practiced it.

Even today, it's often done by unbelievers for health reasons just as much as by Jews, Christians and Muslims for more religious reasons. The important thing is what it symbolises.

Deut 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

 

[Grace911]

Off from OP, is the topic of circumcision, instead of the discussion "no man knows the day or hour" which is an idiom for 1st day of the 7th month/Feast of Trumpets.

So I wish to go off from both OP and the topic of circumcision and speak of a greater sign than circumcision. In the NT the emphasis is on "loving God" and "keeping the commandments". Why? Are these two also "SIGNS"?

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify (H6942) you.

Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify (H6942) them.

Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

H6942
קדשׁ
qâdash
BDB Definition:
1) to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be set apart, be consecrated
1a2) to be hallowed
1a3) consecrated, tabooed
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to show oneself sacred or majestic
1b2) to be honoured, be treated as sacred
1b3) to be holy
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to set apart as sacred, consecrate, dedicate
1c2) to observe as holy, keep sacred
1c3) to honour as sacred, hallow
1c4) to consecrate
1d) (Pual)
1d1) to be consecrated
1d2) consecrated, dedicated
1e) (Hiphil)
1e1) to set apart, devote, consecrate
1e2) to regard or treat as sacred or hallow
1e3) to consecrate
1f) (Hithpael)
1f1) to keep oneself apart or separate
1f2) to cause Himself to be hallowed (of God)
1f3) to be observed as holy
1f4) to consecrate oneself
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: a primitive root

New Testmanet verses for sanctify

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

Here in above verses, Jesus is saying sanctify - word & truth.

Psalms 33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Some have stated that the Sabbath is not in the New Testament. Every thing shut down for the Sabbath. There was no work, buying or selling. Why point out the obvious besides there is The Disciples Kept the Sabbath 85 Times in the book of Acts.

The Sunday law began around 321 AD when Constantine outlawed anything "Jewish". Then the tradition and reasons for keeping the tradition sprouted and grew to what is now "Christian" and the lies grew, that no man can know the truth.

Jeremiah 16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Here where I live, if we were to say every store is open on Sunday, most would agree. However, there are two known large businesses that close on Sunday. These two are Hobby Lobby and Chick-fil-a. So now it is known that almost all large stores are open on Sunday, however when I was born in the late 1950's, there were NO STORES OPEN ON SUNDAY. What changed? Was it a disregard for this new sabbath, Sunday? Disregard for God's commandments and no love for God? The 1960's began the "Free Love" movement, where all things are a go, including mini skirts and shorts and halter tops and multiple sex partners.

What is your opinion on there being a "SIGN" between you and God?

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

What is your opinion on there being a "SIGN" between you and God?

My opinion isn't worth too much, but:

Under God's Grace Message to Paul, for us, Today, I found no
"sign/signs between me and God" - But, I did find

"What Saith The Scripture?":

1Co_1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

Rom_15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

2Co_12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.

2Th_2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
+
1Co_14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

This is Under Grace, Today, for us, According To The Mystery

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

Under prophecy/covenants/law For Israel, I found, not my opinion,
but, "What God Said" to them:

"What Saith The Scripture?":

Exo_31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I AM The LORD that doth sanctify you.

Exo_31:17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed.

Num_16:38 The censers of these sinners against their own souls, let them make them broad plates for a covering of the altar: for they offered them before The LORD, therefore they are hallowed: and they shall be a sign unto the children of Israel.

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Precious friend:

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II). ← "Approval Unto God" for me?

Grace, Peace, And JOY!… + RICH Blessings

 

[Magenta]

Psalm 84:10-11 plus 27-4

 

[Grace911]

Psalm 84:10-11 plus 27-4

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:32 But of that day {when heaven and earth shall pass away}and that hour {when heaven and earth shall pass away} knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Two different verses. The one in Mark is talking about heaven and earth passing away. This one in Matthew is talking about when the Son of man comes.

Both spoken by Jesus.

My understanding of biblical scripture and historical customs of Jesus' day, is that in Leviticus 23 we find the LORD's feast, and the Feast of Trumpets which is on the 7th month and first day. In order to know when this day can occur you must know when the 1st month of Aviv (Abib)/Nisan began. I believe in a sighted moon/a tiny sliver of silver sighted by the naked eye in the land of Israel. There can only be 29 or 30 days in each Hebrew month. When it is time for the 7th month, we do not know if the moon will be sighted in the 6th month on the 29th day and the next day begins 7th month and 1st day. If the moon is not sighted, by default the 6th month will have 30 days. When Jesus spoke of "no man knows the day or hour" is a literal understanding as well as an idiom, a customary saying of the day when speaking about the 7th month and 1st day. I have over simplified the sighting of the moon grossly. But this simple explanation will suffice for the unlearned of LORD's Feasts and Holy Days.

I believe Matthew 25:13 is a hint when Jesus is coming again. He is telling those who understand the LORD's calendar and the LORD's Holy Days/Feasts that He will return on Feast of Trumpets.

In the story of the 10 virgings, 5 foolish and 5 wise, it is the wise who keep the LORD's Feast Days and understand those High Holy Days that more than likely will not be falling on the weekly Sabbath. The High Holy Days, like Feast of Trumpets prohibits buying or selling or working. What are the 5 foolish told to do? The 5 wise tell them to go buy for themselves. So they foolishly not knowing the LORD's INSTRUCTIONS and out of ignorance leave to go buy. When they return, they are told "I know you not" (Matthew 25:1-13)

In the scripture, the word "know" is a very intimate word. So why does Jesus tell them that "I know you not"? Because they possibly believed that the LORD's INSTRUCTIONS "were done away with" and were deceived into not knowing or understanding the importance of how we become intimate with the LORD.

The best way to describe, although very crude, is that many have castrated Jesus/LORD and tossed the organ (OT covenant) into a fire and destroyed it. That organ (renewed covenant) is the consummation of bride and bridegroom. There can be no marriage to a eunich.

Keep in mind, neither the LORD or Jesus (who is God in the flesh) CHANGE. Obedience leads to blessings, to the wedding and consummation (being known by one another) with the bridegroom. Disobedience leads to cursings, being on the outside of the love and protection of our LORD/lord.

I understand that many have not realized the value of the marriage vows and commitment and have been TOLD (certainly not read) that the Old Testament is nailed to the cross and done away with. That is wrong. Search it out before Jesus' arrival on a future Feast of Trumpet.

 

[Magenta]

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:32 But of that day {when heaven and earth shall pass away}and that hour {when heaven and earth
shall pass away} knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Two different verses. The one in Mark is talking about heaven and earth passing
away. This one in Matthew is talking about when the Son of man comes.

Both spoken by Jesus.

Yes, thank you, I get your point. Yet Jesus's return precedes the creation of a new heaven and earth;
so are not both verses applicable to either situation? Do you think the two do not belong together?

 

[Grace911]

Yes, thank you, I get your point. Yet Jesus's return precedes the creation of a new heaven and earth;
so are not both verses applicable to either situation? Do you think the two do not belong together?

The only way they can both be linked if Jesus is saying the idiom for both events and are actually one event of a new heaven and earth and the Feast of Trumpets. I can clearly see in scripture that King David will be ruling during the 7th millennium. When the resurrection of the dead occurs, King David will then be ruling for the 7th millennium. I'm not convinced yet that Jesus, the Son, will also be ruling during the 7th millennium. But He will be arriving at the close of the 7th millennium and at that time Satan is unleashed.

Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD/YHWH said unto my Lord/Adoni, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Mar 12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?
Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Mar 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

I'm not sure if I stated my belief in other posts, but YHWH/Yehovah and Jesus/Yeshua are only one. That is Yehovah came in the flesh and is Immanuel/God with us. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Psa_98:1 A Psalm. O sing unto the LORD a new song; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory.

 

[Needevidence]

There is some opposition (not saying I agree) regarding Psalms 110:1 - many were called Lord as a loose term, also reference to king, master etc...

Jesus also sates - Matt 22:

44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Implying if he is the seed of David how can he be his Lord!

These were songs - and written by a servant of David - hence - David being one Lord and God being one Lord. not God the father saying to God Jesus - who is the Lord of David.

how can we prove Psalms 98:1 is referring to Jesus?

 

[Blik]

Wow! That was actually really insightful. Before I get too excited, are you one of those who think we should get circumcised in the new covenant?

Christ did not wipe out anything the OT tells us, Christ fulfilled it. Christ tells us so in Matthews 5:17: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. The rest of that chapter tells just how that works.

In the OT, God showed man the spirit of God through fleshly symbols, and in that chapter he gives examples of symbols that, through Christ, were not abolished, but fulfilled spiritually. Circumcision was not abolished, we are to be circumcised, but the fleshly symbol of circumcision was done away with, we are to be circumcised spiritually.

God relates the return of Christ to the feast of the trumpits. As Christ tells us, that is not abolished by Christ, God is truth whether that truth is given in the OT or the NT. The truth in the OT is given through fleshly synbols, in the NT the truth is given by explaining the spirit of God.

 

[Needevidence]

Christ did not wipe out anything the OT tells us, Christ fulfilled it. Christ tells us so in Matthews 5:17: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. The rest of that chapter tells just how that works.

In the OT, God showed man the spirit of God through fleshly symbols, and in that chapter he gives examples of symbols that, through Christ, were not abolished, but fulfilled spiritually. Circumcision was not abolished, we are to be circumcised, but the fleshly symbol of circumcision was done away with, we are to be circumcised spiritually.

God relates the return of Christ to the feast of the trumpits. As Christ tells us, that is not abolished by Christ, God is truth whether that truth is given in the OT or the NT. The truth in the OT is given through fleshly synbols, in the NT the truth is given by explaining the spirit of God.

With respect slightly contradictory - Jesus never came to abolish anything - yet circumcision is now only spiritual. Nothing that Jesus said abolished circumcision. Not sure what Paul was trying to imply - BUT;

Genesis 17:12 And every male among you who is eight days old shall be circumcised throughout your generations,........

John 7:22 For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and even on a Sabbath you circumcise a man.

Acts 21:20-26 - Paul appears to be keeping the law - never challenged it once while with the Apostles.

You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.

Paul also confirm (conflict with some of his other passages) - “Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law! (Romans 3:31).

James 2:20 - 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless?

Jesus was circumcised