No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !
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Are you not a believer?
Ephesians 1 v 13-14, Hebrews 10 v 23 In Him, having heard and believed the word of truth - the gospel of your salvation - you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, Who is the pledge of our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession, to the praise of His glory. Let us hold on to the confession of our hope without wavering, for He Who promised is faithful.
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That is a very good question. How can we recognize in our beings that we are born again? You can feel the love for God the Father for choosing you and for Jesus for dying on the cross for you. No more hate or anger towards anyone. You can hate or be angry towards their behavior or what they say, but you still love and pray for them. You continually pray to the Father for Him to help you do His will . You have a fervent desire to learn from His word the Bible, and are driven to spread what you learn. Through the Holy Spirit you are in constant communication with the Father and Son and pray to them to assist you in your walk in this life. If you have any doubt about your salvation, pray to the Father to fill you with His Holy Spirit. That is how you get born again, when both Father and Son enter your being to change your motivation for living from love of self first to love of God first and all others as you love yourself. You will then notice that they will direct your mind, heart, and actions and you will gladly and thankfully comply. You have faith, trust, and confidence that the Father is in total control, and that He and Jesus love you.
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“Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,”
I Peter 1:22-23 NKJV
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You keep repeating that like it is not God doing the choosing...
John 15 verse 16 plus from 1 Peter 2 verse 9 ~ You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit— fruit that will remain— so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. You are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a people to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
I’m emphasizing what He said…..
What ever Christ suffered it was sufficient to God and His Justice to pay for the sins of the elect which unbelief is included. That's why He was raised from the dead
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It wasn’t just for the elect, Jesus died for ALL people.
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16 NKJV
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Which "world" would that be? This current world or the world to come?
[1Jo 2:15-17 KJV]
15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
[Jhn 8:23 KJV] 23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
[Luk 18:30 KJV] 30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.
[Isa 65:17 KJV] 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
[2Pe 3:13 KJV] 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
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Did He not create the worldS, and everything in them? You act like I created that verse….God stated that, not little me!
Why do people get so angry, when I bring up verses? I didn’t write them, I’m just pointing them out for emphasis.
I'm not angry at all just trying to discuss your post - trying to provide another perspective.
I'm trying to demonstrate that the world in view in the verse is the world to come not this current world
Let me try again. Sorry if I left the wrong impression with you. In the verses below, if God through scripture tells us not to love this world and if someone loves it, that the love of the Father is not in hm, then it seems reasonable to me that neither does the Father love this world or He wouldn't have stated that. So, if He doesn't love this world, then the world that He so loved of Jhn 3:15-16 simply cannot be this world. And because this world unquestionably will be destroyed, that Jesus cannot be its Savior because it won't be saved. However, through Christ, the world to come is eternal.
[1Jo 2:15-17 KJV]
15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
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Another perspective, like others who say just the opposite of what is said, or maybe the plain verse needs some slant on it to make it more interesting? This is what I’m learning on this platform. …. Not good!
It’s like calling good things bad, and bad things good. I’ve been called out because I’m using verses to uphold truth, whenever I see obvious error; I’ve been trampled on— a supposed Christian used profanity against me, denying that it was profanity and was just common language (it’s what I call common, gutter lingo), but only one person reprimanded him. Only one!?! I called him out about the profanity, then he strikes back by calling me names. This is a supposed long time member on this site. Shameful!!
I feel very much offended!
Okay, sorry you feel that way but your prerogative
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