No trust in Creation...no trust in Genesis....no trust in Scriptures...

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Is creation a "salvation issue"

  • Yes it's vital to mans need for salvation

    Votes: 14 53.8%
  • No creation is unconnected to salvation

    Votes: 10 38.5%
  • Never considered any connection

    Votes: 2 7.7%

  • Total voters
    26
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Pottyone

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i use to think that too. But then i entered the age of enlightenment. i found the key to truly understanding the bible i found the hidden code in the king james bible that makes everything clear and precise. where all the contradictions are no longer there.
Wow...now hold on a minute friend. Please do not start on about "hidden codes" in any bible. The truth does not require some "clever" deciphering of a code. The truth is plain to see and all creation proclaims the glory of The Lord....even the very stones cry out.Lets not try to be clever about God's Word......dangerous ground, very dangerous!!!
 
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I wonder what Jesus would say about you using a spiritual meaning of the seventh day to interpret day in genesis, and not the physical meaning (a day of rest and solitude)

I do not think he would be very pleased.

the sabbath rest is never called a sabbath day in the NT. The sabbath day was and always is the 7th day of the week (as we know saterday)
Jesus would likely say, "I never rode no damn dinosaur, pilgrim."

I do not think Jesus is very pleased with this talk of dinosaurs coexisting with humans.
 
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enlightener

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the bible explains this clear as day.we homosapiens have never changed. our dna is uniquely the same but undeniably different from any other form of life including other human species. the theory of evolution is just that a bad theory.but it goes hand and hand with the scientific theory of the planet earths origin even the big bang theory. would you like me to show you where it explanes it clear taking nothing out of context.
 
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we homosapiens have never changed. our dna is uniquely the same but undeniably different from any other form of life including other human species
Hmmm.

Makes me wonder about the possibility of fallen angels seducing human women, as per Genesis 6. My guess is that many of those posting here believe that. I say that because Catholics don't.

Makes me wonder, if that were true, about the DNA and such of the offspring.

Good post. Thanks for the food for thought.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jesus would likely say, "I never rode no damn dinosaur, pilgrim."

I do not think Jesus is very pleased with this talk of dinosaurs coexisting with humans.
ah why not? he created them both.
 
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enlightener

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we never walk with the dinosaurs we where created after the ice age. The first and only human species who had free will my friend. but the flood wasn't the first time that all life on the planet was destroyed by god or the gods just the last time. and only some life was destroyed in the planet and some lived. the bible does not lie its taken out of context do to the lack of knowledge to read it correctly. the enlightenment. it is one of many ways he kept us from having too much knowledge for our maturity and lack of control of our free will
 
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enlightener

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other times kicked us out of eden before we also ate from the tree of life. and the destruction of the tower of babal.
 
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Fishbait

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Genesis 2:2 hasn't happened yet, and won't happen until Jesus Christ returns to end the Tribulation and begin the Millenium.
In other words, we are STILL in the 6th Day of Creation, which has lasted for MANY millions of years.
To believe that the universe is ONLY 6,000 years old, is ignorant nonsense.
God created the universe and He can take as long as He likes to make it evolve.

BTW - Genesis 2:2 states - ... and on the 7th Day, God rested.
"For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." Exodus 20:11
 
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Fishbait

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Believing in evolution is total doubt and unbelief in the bible and god and those people even though they call themselves christian, dont havee the faith needed to make it into heaven.
I've been asking 'experts' on evolution for observable scientific evidence for evolution for over 50 years. They couldn’t give a lick of evidence because it doesn’t exist. Interspersed in their answers are always words like, probably, possible, could've been, maybe, I don't know etc.
 
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The thing is what type of evolution are you talking about ? The evolution from one species family to another species family is the work of satan to twist and confuse the truth. Now when you talk about the same species evolving either to cope with the change in environment, or like the different classes of dogs evolving from the wolf, which would be same family group, then that type of evolution does exist.

There is no true evidence to support species to species evolution like man from ape. Even Darwin said before he died that there is no true physical evidence to support this theory.
You are so right. Evidence for dog to cat, cat to dog, horse to cow, slime to man, fish to bird, has never been found. These are all seperate kinds with many seperate species within their kinds.
 
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Fishbait

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Wow....that is an interpretation of scripture that I have never heard before. Why do you think that a " young earth is "ignorant nonsense". Surely not based on carbon and radioisotopic dating etc. these dating techniques have been shown to unreliable and scientifically flawed. Taking into account the effects of a global flood it is very possible to see the supposed effects of an "old earth" exhibited.
layers of sedimentary rock, compression of organic matter under huge pressure to produce coal and oil deposits, fossilisation seen across layers of sedimentary deposits, sudden extinction of whole sections of animal life, sea life fossilised high up in mountainous regions etc. where is the ignorant nonsense?
Radiocarbon (carbon-14) is a very unstable element that quickly changes into nitrogen. Half the original quantity of carbon-14 will decay back to the stable element nitrogen-14 after only 5,730 years. (This 5,730-year period is called the half-life of radiocarbon) At this decay rate, hardly any carbon-14 atoms will remain after only 57,300 years (or ten half-lives).

So if fossils are really millions of years old, as evolutionary scientists claim, no carbon-14 atoms would be left in them. Indeed, if all the atoms making up the entire earth were radiocarbon, then after only 1 million years absolutely no carbon-14 atoms should be left!

For some years creation scientists have been doing their own investigation of radiocarbon in fossils. Pieces of fossilized wood in Oligocene, Eocene, Cretaceous, Jurassic, Triassic, and Permian rock layers supposedly 32–250 million years old all contain measurable radiocarbon, equivalent to “ages” of 20,700 to 44,700 years (Figures 3–5).5 6 7 8 9 10 11 (Creation geologists believe that with careful recalibration, even these extremely “young” time periods would be fewer than 10,000 years.)

Similarly, carefully sampled pieces of coal from ten U.S. coal beds, ranging from Eocene to Pennsylvanian and supposedly 40–320 million years old, all contained similar radiocarbon levels equivalent to “ages” of 48,000 to 50,000 years.12 Even fossilized ammonite shells found alongside fossilized wood in a Cretaceous layer, supposedly 112–120 million years old, contained measurable radiocarbon equivalent to “ages” of 36,400 to 48,710 years.

Diamonds have been tested and shown to contain radiocarbon equivalent to an “age” of 55,000 years. These results have been confirmed by other investigators. So even though these diamonds are conventionally regarded by evolutionary geologists as up to billions of years old, this radiocarbon has to be intrinsic to them.

This carbon-14 would have been implanted in them when they were formed deep inside the earth, and it could not have come from the earth’s atmosphere. This is not such a problem for creationist scientists, but it is a serious problem for evolutionists.

Evolutionist biologist and geneticist Richard Lewontin wrote:

"We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door."
 
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Fishbait

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Why shouldn't the concept of theistic evolution apply as a way to reconcile well-founded science with religious material? I don't know of any explicit scriptural prohibitions concerning evolution if Genesis is taken allegorically as opposed to literally. Inconsistencies in terms of the appropriate interpretation of a given biblical event can be resolved simply by citing discernment.
One 'well founded' evolutionist biologist and geneticist made it all very clear "Why shouldn't the concept of theistic evolution apply as a way to reconcile well-founded science with religious material?"

"We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." (Richard Lewontin)
 
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Tintin

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Jesus would likely say, "I never rode no damn dinosaur, pilgrim."

I do not think Jesus is very pleased with this talk of dinosaurs coexisting with humans.
Dude, you're not Jesus. He loves all the little velociraptors of the world.
 
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StoneThrower

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Dude, you're not Jesus. He loves all the little velociraptors of the world.
Red and yellow black and white, they are precious in His site Jesus Loves the little velociraptors of the world.
Sorry I could resist, I'll go sit in the repentance corner and take a time out :)
 
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Good idea Answers in Genesis has some great stuff!
I can tell you are a big fan of fiction.

Did you see your hero Ken Ham in Religulous by chance? The dude is hilarious, and he doesn’t even know it.

I can’t understand why another YEC organization like Creation Ministries International sued him and a home school organization banned him. Everybody loves a clown.
 
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megaman125

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Recently I have been doing some street work with young folks and a constant theme with them, is that they are bombarded in school, college and the media in general ( see EVERY NATURAL HISTORY PROGRAM ON THE TV) with the theory that the world evolved. This leads them then to diss any idea of a creation based history of the world and therefore a disbelief in the book of Genesis as the truth of God's word. Once you compromise on Genesis, you compromise on the basic principles of our faith....sin entering the world as a result of man's disobedience, death as a result of sin, mans separation from God and the need for salvation, Satan as a reality, marriage between a man and a women etc.
In My opinion a rejection of creation is possibly Satan's greatest achievement and one which he has successfully propagated throughout history......
Many Christians state that A belief in Creation is not something to get too "worked up about" as it is not really a "salvation matter"......I beg to differ. It is possibly the biggest stumbling block to the non christians ability to see their need for Salvation ......
evolution is Satanic in origin and must be tackled everywhere it is encountered!!
I couldn't agree with this more. If people don't believe or trust the Bible when it comes to creation, then why believe or trust the Bible on any other topics?

The people who say not to "get worked up" about it because it "isn't really a salvation matter" have only succeeded in giving Satan a foothold to get people to distrust the Bible.
 
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enlightener

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are there christians that are also scientist? Are there any intellectual intelligent people that are also christians? i truly believe that there is. But I have a hard time with the twisting and turning of the bible to suit there denominations. And to still think that such a complex book is supposed to be read in childish ways without understanding. All my life I've struggled to be a good christian but i never truly got it. As a matter of fact all i saw was contradictions and confusion.until it destroyed my faith in god and in man. Until i was at my meekest point in my life and then one day as i opened a kj bible and started to read it without bias or prejudice and i started to see things i never saw before and i started to see patterns and choice of words used started to make since of things in a way that i never thought possible. not only did all the contradictions disappear but i truly believe every word. I can start to explain my finding and how i came about them in scripture but I must warn you first it changes allot of things that christians have been taught to believe and goes against what we have been taught to perceive through blind faith and ignorance and reading out of text.i dont have any hidden agendas and this is not a work of the devil. i just wanted to pass down what i have learned to my fellow man how i went from a man with no faith into a true believer where nothing else worked. I call this the enlightenment! its time we put down our childish ways!
 
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Tintin

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I can tell you are a big fan of fiction.

Did you see your hero Ken Ham in Religulous by chance? The dude is hilarious, and he doesn’t even know it.

I can’t understand why another YEC organization like Creation Ministries International sued him and a home school organization banned him. Everybody loves a clown.
Creation Ministries International and Answers In Genesis were two smaller biblical creation ministries in the early days that banded together into one much larger ministry. They split up later because Ken wanted to take the reins and do his own thing and yet Carl Weiland (the creator of CMI) felt he and others in the team should also be consulted. In short, Ken Ham got too big for his boots. CMI sued for defamation because Ken slandered Carl's family (and spiritual family) and spread hearsay about them (none of which was true). Since then, it looks like Ken has got his act together and humbled himself before God.