Noah’s Global Flood: A very significant historical event

[bojack]

How tall does the book of Enoch say each nephilim was ?

 

[biker]

I would call it more confusing than fascinating. I think the story is adequate to satisfy a nomadic nation in the desert. I think it makes sense that these Israelites who saw giants must have wondered about their origin. I think understanding comes with reading what the actual words say, not what somebody told you they say. The word elohim means heavenly inhabitants. Essentially those from the sky. When Genesis was translated often you see “Lord God”. It actually means ”Self Existent (Jehovah) of the heavenly beings. You can see throughout the Bible how many angels are humanoid. They eat and fight. At one point they were captured. When it states we were made in the image of elohim. It may very well be stating we were made humanoid like the heavenly beings. This also explains why they could produce children. Perhaps every other story from the Greeks and Sumerians and Egyptians and many others weren’t completely erroneous. There is the common thread which translated almost word for what is actually written in Genesis.

Excellent point!

I know there is so much more to what we can read. They say a picture is worth a 1,000 words but many times in Scripture we barely get 50 words and have to piece the puzzle together. And of course, that leaves much room for error. It's like looking at an Egyptian Hieroglyph and seeing 3 symbols. We see a simple viewpoint where ancient people saw an entire story filled with war, famine, pestilence, and death. And knowing what it means, you still only see 3 symbols.

 

[biker]

How tall does the book of Enoch say each nephilim was ?

Doesn't really say.

But let me point something out here.
Records show that Roman emperor Caesar was considered a tall man for his time and he was only 5'4". I bought a closet unit made from 1850's and I cannot hang clothes because modern day hangers are too big for it meaning people even 100 years ago were almost a foot shorter in many cases. If we take these examples and apply them to the Book of Genesis, a Giant would only have to be 6' and why the 8" Goliath later on was considered massive. People were probably 4' tall in those days. God made them short. Which amazes me even more when you look at ancient structures built by these tiny people like pyramids and so forth.

 

[biker]

You are saying that the offspring of the sons of God were Nephilim , since all things bring forth after their own kind, to say the offspring of the men who began to mutiply upon the face of the earth were Nephilim is to say that the sons of God were Nephilim, according to the 'in-kind' principle.

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: Gen 1:25

I am going by Genesis 6:
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

We know who the Sons of God are here (Fallen Angels)(Peter even explains these specific Fallen Angels have been locked away until judgement for doing as verse 2 explains), and we know the Sons of God produced children with these women and they were called the Nephilim.

Do you not know your Bible?

This is rather a common belief here by all Believers in Yahweh!

 

[bojack]

Doesn't really say.

But let me point something out here.
Records show that Roman emperor Caesar was considered a tall man for his time and he was only 5'4". I bought a closet unit made from 1850's and I cannot hang clothes because modern day hangers are too big for it meaning people even 100 years ago were almost a foot shorter in many cases. If we take these examples and apply them to the Book of Genesis, a Giant would only have to be 6' and why the 8" Goliath later on was considered massive. People were probably 4' tall in those days. God made them short. Which amazes me even more when you look at ancient structures built by these tiny people like pyramids and so forth.

Hi Biker, I've been reading some of your posts and agree with most what you say .. I don't doubt there were giants even over 12' tall but I don't believe there was ever any fallen angels mated with human women .. I know most do believe it , just not me .. Sons of God were the Sethites imo who married daughters of men and those daughters of men brought in their idols then corrupted all families and offspring through idolatry except and until only Noah and his family were worth saving ..
Enoch 7 .. Some versions say 3000 Ell's and some says 3000 cubits .. I've seen evidence 3000 cubits were changed to 300
10. Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants,
12. Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

 

[biker]

Hi Biker, I've been reading some of your posts and agree with most what you say .. I don't doubt there were giants even over 12' tall but I don't believe there was ever any fallen angels mated with human women .. I know most do believe it , just not me .. Sons of God were the Sethites imo who married daughters of men and those daughters of men brought in their idols then corrupted all families and offspring through idolatry except and until only Noah and his family were worth saving ..
Enoch 7 .. Some versions say 3000 Ell's and some says 3000 cubits ..
10. Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants,
12. Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

What do you make of these verses?
Genesis 6:
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Read Enoch 7 first 2 verses, it matches Genesis:

Enoch 7:
1. It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

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That does claim Enoch is saying these Giants were the result of Angels with human women.

 

[bojack]

Pre-flood giants imo would have probably been larger than post flood giants simply because many animals according to fossils were larger .. There was a unicorn (rhinoceros) fossil said to be 20' tall and a dragonfly with a 2' wingspan for example .

 

[biker]

Here from same chapter 7 of Enoch:

9. These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael,
Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them.

10. Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants,

12. Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

Enoch is clearly talking about Angels here!

 

[bojack]

What do you make of these verses?
Genesis 6:
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Read Enoch 7 first 2 verses, it matches Genesis:

Enoch 7:
1. It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful.

2. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.

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That does claim Enoch is saying these Giants were the result of Angels with human women.

Not in my opinion , the Sethites/Enosh were first described as divine messengers/Sons of God .. One of Cain's granddaughters ''Naamah'' was beautiful and I think one of only 3 females mentioned by name pre-flood

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Respectfully, your comment (bolded) shows a surprising ignorance of basic physics.

LOL, not going to argue with somebody who can't say anything more than your wrong since it is obvious that you would increase the circumference of the earth by raising the the face of the waters to a level of 29,000 feet to cover the highest mountain.

Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. Gen 7:20

In fact it would increase the circumference of the earth 31 miles.

You are thinking that the raise in attitude would result in a lower psi, but as the surface level of the waters increased then the ship would actually be be decreasing in attitude which results in a greater psi upon the object upon the face of the waters.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But I think the Flood that killed the Nephilim in the America's was the Noah flood. The Indians are claiming it was their ancestors who told of the Giants. And the fact these were red headed Giants gives much credence to Esau.

I will add this one point, we know that not everything in the Bible tells us the whole picture of things that happened, were happening, and are going to happen. Just because Jesus claims in His Father's home there are many mansions does not actually gives us the entire picture of what that specifically means. Just because God tells us about Noah's flood does not mean that was the only flood God ever caused up to that time. I believe there are many unknowns we won't know until we finally are in Heaven.

There are flood stories all over the world.. Since after the flood. Life on earth began in one central place. and we Know from the word that later God confused the languages and sent people out throughout the whole earth. It is expected that flood stories would go with them. Of course they have changed from different cultures. But the main jist f the story would be the same because it came from one source. Frome those who lived through it, Namly Noah and his family

 

[bojack]

Here from same chapter 7 of Enoch:

9. These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael,
Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainder were all with them.

10. Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.

11. And the women conceiving brought forth giants,

12. Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labour of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;

Enoch is clearly talking about Angels here!

Yes, if you believe Enoch .. Each nephilim off-spring was 450' tall .. I think that's hogwash

 

[biker]

Not in my opinion , the Sethites/Enosh were first described as divine messengers/Sons of God .. One of Cain's granddaughters ''Naamah'' was beautiful and I think one of only 3 females mentioned by name pre-flood

I am only pointing out that the Holy Spirit inspired Moses, and we also know Enoch wrote that these were "Angels" who created the Nephilim. I really am struggling to think human with human could produce something 300 feet tall.

 

[bojack]

I am only pointing out that the Holy Spirit inspired Moses, and we also know Enoch wrote that these were "Angels" who created the Nephilim. I really am struggling to think human with human could produce something 300 feet tall.

What quote ? Do you think the 7 angels to the 7 churches were men or angels , I say they were men messengers

 

[biker]

Yes, if you believe Enoch .. Each nephilim off-spring was 450' tall .. I think that's hogwash

I did not say I believed these Giants were that tall.

 

[biker]

What quote ?

I gave you Genesis 6:1-2, Enoch 7:1-12 claiming it was ANGELS who made children with human women and they became Giants.

 

[bojack]

I did not say I believed these Giants were that tall.

But do you believe Enoch or not ? I don't

 

[Dino246]

LOL, not going to argue with somebody who can't say anything more than your wrong since it is obvious that you would increase the circumference of the earth by raising the the face of the waters to a level of 29,000 feet to cover the highest mountain.

Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. Gen 7:20

In fact it would increase the circumference of the earth 31 miles.

You are thinking that the raise in attitude would result in a lower psi, but as the surface level of the waters increased then the ship would actually be be decreasing in attitude which results in a greater psi upon the object upon the face of the waters.

Only in an enclosed sphere, which the Earth is not. Because water is essentially incompressible, the increase in atmospheric pressure would have to be massive to "push down" floating objects. Objects float because they are less dense than water (most wood) or because their shape is such that it displaces an equal weight of water (boats and ships).

You're also making the unwarranted assumption that Mt. Everest existed at its present height prior to the Flood, which is not what any creationist claims (that I have heard). Watch the videos. Learn the arguments that are actually being made instead of arguing against assumed positions. The Bible does not give any indication of the height of mountains prior to the Flood, but some very reasonable arguments propose that the mountains were formed during the Flood.

 

[Dino246]

But do you believe Enoch or not ? I don't

While I agree that Enoch is not Scripture, does that mean it is not true?

 

[biker]

There are flood stories all over the world.. Since after the flood. Life on earth began in one central place. and we Know from the word that later God confused the languages and sent people out throughout the whole earth. It is expected that flood stories would go with them. Of course they have changed from different cultures. But the main jist f the story would be the same because it came from one source. Frome those who lived through it, Namly Noah and his family

Exactly, even the Noah story has changed names in ancient Mesopotamia. But we know it was Noah. I find it amazing how atheist believe it was 2 separate people with the same tale.

The Epic of Gilgamesh (/ ˈ ɡ ɪ l ɡ ə m ɛ ʃ /) is an epic poem from ancient Mesopotamia that is often regarded as the earliest surviving great work of literature and the second oldest religious text, after the Pyramid Texts.
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That really is NOAH!