Noahide Laws and the anti-christ

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iamsoandso said:
But had any of them rcieaved a deadly wound and were in the pit when Rev.17:8 was written,the angel thinks so.
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The beast received a deadly wound, That happened when the empire crashed and become no more.

I do not see how what happened when Rev was written has anythign to do with this, It is speaking of the world in the day and time the beast assumes power.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
What is amazing is, From what I see, jerusalem was not playing the harlot with pagan Gods in Christs day

Instead she was playing religion with the pharisees and saducees.

Sadly, many churches today do this.. It does not make them any harlot
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in 1 Samuel 8 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_samuel/8.htm they ask for a king just like the other nations,,,then they denied Jesus as their king again...they still wanted the same thing as in 1 Samuel 8.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
The beast received a deadly wound, That happened when the empire crashed and become no more.

I do not see how what happened when Rev was written has anythign to do with this, It is speaking of the world in the day and time the beast assumes power.
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In Rev. 17:8 it was in the pit and had already received the wound(past tense).
 
iamsoandso said:
In Rev. 17:8 it was in the pit and had already received the wound(past tense).
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John is looking into the future, (not present) At the time he was looking at, It had recieved the mortal wound.

That time has not happened yet..

And thanks, I finally see what your saying..lol
 
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iamsoandso said:
In Revelation 18:20 it says "for God has(past tense) avenged(again past tense) you on her" so let me ask you was Revelation 17:8 written after the destruction of Jerusalem or before? lol,or will you deny the tense in the Scriptues you yourself gave...
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"“Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgment for you against her.”

I see you did not comment on which city was guilty of the blood of the prophets and apostles.

When do you think God avenged the blood of the prophets and apostles? When did Jesus say it would happen? Is John in conflict with Jesus?

Would not the days of vengeance of Luke be the judgment John speaks of? If not why not?

(Mat 23:33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell? )

(Mat 23:34 “Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,)

(Mat 23:35 so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. )
 
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iamsoandso said:
Johns not speaking in Rev.17:8 the angel is.
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Yes, excuse me

The angel is talking about things in the future. Events which the reader in that day can read and understand what is happening.

In that day, The roman empire had suffered a mortal womb, and will be given new life.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
They already asked jesus to be king, He refused. And they knew it..so they turned on him.
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Matthew 23:39,,,Luke 13:35 just as soon as they say he is King ect. they'll see him again. Until then they will receive another John 5:43 their blinded in part till then.
 
They have had no king since before babylon.

And that king was brutally murdered in front of his family by babylon.

Since then they were a slave state, and since ad 70 they have had no one.

I believe Jesus is making a general statement in john 5. Saying they would receive anyone else.. but reject him.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
And I have shown numerous time He is the future roman emperor. He is the final roman ruler who will being to completion the time age of the gentiles. He is the feet of iron and clay. The fourth beast of Dan 7, The little horn, who comes out of rome

I can not fathom a jewish or islamic leader taking over rome. Nor does it make any sense.
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two things.....

a. Last three popes have bowed to and kissed the KORAN which shows submission
b. God sends strong delusion and ALL lost men WILL believe and accept the person as god

I have no problem seeing a POPE as the false prophet bow down to the Islamic leader
 
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PennEd said:
Kinda the point of the thread. The Pope is getting MIGHTY buddy buddy with the Orthodox Jews, AND the Muslims.
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AND lest we forget.....THE VICAR of GOD of the CATHOLIC church (last 3) have BOWED to and KISSED the KORAN <----this shows submission......the POPE will be the false prophet and he will POINT to the Muslim god and the Muslim MADHI as god when he begins to call down fire, work miracles and GOD sends delusion upon all lost men
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes you did bro

You left the words ek esos “out from the middle”

I agree, Taken is the correct interpretation of the word. But leaving “out of the middle) out of the interpretation leaves it missaplied.
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YEP and your missing the POINT....the word TAKEN is not applicable to the words out from the middle......

NOW pay attention ;) HAHAH

THE word Taken means-->Cause to be, to become, come into being, be assembled, brought to pass, arise

CAUSE to be out from the middle
COME into being out from the MIDDLE
ASSEMBLED out from the middle
ARISE out from the middle
Brought to pass out from the MIDDLE

HE rises in the MIDST of HUMANITY.........SATAN is holding the POWER UNTIL HE RISES OUT FROM THE MIDDLE OF HUMANITY

WE must use the actual definition of the word translated TAKEN to DEFINE the rest of the verbiage

JOHN states the same thing I just SAID in his words.....OUT OF THE SEA--->the BEAST rises <----the SEA OF HUMANITY
 
dcontroversal said:
two things.....

a. Last three popes have bowed to and kissed the KORAN which shows submission
b. God sends strong delusion and ALL lost men WILL believe and accept the person as god

I have no problem seeing a POPE as the false prophet bow down to the Islamic leader
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Thats great

We are not talking about the false prophet. But the final gentile world leader.

So the pope can do whatever he wishes, He still is not the roman king.
 
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dcontroversal said:
YEP and your missing the POINT....the word TAKEN is not applicable to the words out from the middle......

NOW pay attention ;) HAHAH

THE word Taken means-->Cause to be, to become, come into being, be assembled, brought to pass, arise

CAUSE to be out from the middle
COME into being out from the MIDDLE
ASSEMBLED out from the middle
ARISE out from the middle
Brought to pass out from the MIDDLE

HE rises in the MIDST of HUMANITY.........SATAN is holding the POWER UNTIL HE RISES OUT FROM THE MIDDLE OF HUMANITY

WE must use the actual definition of the word translated TAKEN to DEFINE the rest of the verbiage

JOHN states the same thing I just SAID in his words.....OUT OF THE SEA--->the BEAST rises <----the SEA OF HUMANITY
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Sorry, I am not buying it, It makes no sense

We are talking about WHO is the one who restrains.

Imagine 1 group who wants to kill another group, and a powerful person in the middle restraining the group from doing anything, he is in the middle, and prevenyts the one group from doing any harm

Then imagine when that restrainer is removed, The group is no free to do whatever he wants with no restraint.

Then add that Satan enters that group and become its power.

This is what Paul is talking about. The antichrist is restrained UNTIL the one who restrains is TAKEN OUT OF THE MIDDLE, At that point, Antichrist will be free to do whatever he wants.

We are told through scripture that God is the one who holds this earth together, He only allows certain things, there will come a day when God pulls back his protective restraining hands, and all hell breaks lose, like it has never broken lose on earth before. Nor will after (they call this the great tribulation)
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Sorry, I am not buying it, It makes no sense

We are talking about WHO is the one who restrains.

Imagine 1 group who wants to kill another group, and a powerful person in the middle restraining the group from doing anything, he is in the middle, and prevenyts the one group from doing any harm

Then imagine when that restrainer is removed, The group is no free to do whatever he wants with no restraint.

Then add that Satan enters that group and become its power.

This is what Paul is talking about. The antichrist is restrained UNTIL the one who restrains is TAKEN OUT OF THE MIDDLE, At that point, Antichrist will be free to do whatever he wants.

We are told through scripture that God is the one who holds this earth together, He only allows certain things, there will come a day when God pulls back his protective restraining hands, and all hell breaks lose, like it has never broken lose on earth before. Nor will after
(they call this the great tribulation)
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OK.....Should be simple enough....quote a verse that states the Holy Spirit restrains the rise of the Beast.

I will wait......
 
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