Not Allowing Kids to Get Gifts at Christmas - - It's Wrong

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john832

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So remembering His birth and fellowshipping together to commemorate His coming, is an abomination? I don't have a scrub to wash your defiled conscience clean. Seek God, you who transgress against a brother.
Ever hear of Uzza? Were his intentions good? Sure they were...

1Ch 13:7 And they carried the ark of God in a new cart out of the house of Abinadab: and Uzza and Ahio drave the cart.
1Ch 13:8 And David and all Israel played before God with all their might, and with singing, and with harps, and with psalteries, and with timbrels, and with cymbals, and with trumpets.

Now do you suppose that David chose a couple of flunkies to move the very Ark of God? These guys were most likely very respected and considered upright men. David and Israel went before the Ark singing and praising God with voice and instrument. And then...

1Ch 13:9 And when they came unto the threshingfloor of Chidon, Uzza put forth his hand to hold the ark; for the oxen stumbled.

Uneven ground? The oxen were startled? The passage does not say but Uzza put out his hand to steady the Ark and keep it from falling to the ground. What happened next?

1Ch 13:10 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzza, and he smote him, because he put his hand to the ark: and there he died before God.

God killed Uzza for touching the Ark. Why? There are reasons, God is not capricious...

Exo 37:1 And Bezaleel made the ark of shittim wood: two cubits and a half was the length of it, and a cubit and a half the breadth of it, and a cubit and a half the height of it:
Exo 37:2 And he overlaid it with pure gold within and without, and made a crown of gold to it round about.
Exo 37:3 And he cast for it four rings of gold, to be set by the four corners of it; even two rings upon the one side of it, and two rings upon the other side of it.
Exo 37:4 And he made staves of shittim wood, and overlaid them with gold.
Exo 37:5 And he put the staves into the rings by the sides of the ark, to bear the ark.

Deu 10:8 At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day.

Only the sons of Kohath could bear the Ark...

Num 4:15 And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear it: but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation.

But even they could not touch it. God gave very explicit instructions on how to move the Ark. It was certainly not to be carried on a cart pulled by oxen an it was not to be touched. Is God particular about how He tells us to do things and what to do and what not to do?

Ask Uzza in the resurrection, he will more than confirm this scripture to you...

Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Do you think that God doesn't care what we do and how we worship Him? He'll be glad to get whatever we deign to give Him? Any old method is good enough for God?

Act 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

And the word for fear is...

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φόβος
phobos
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From a primary φέβομαι phebomai (to be put in fear); alarm or fright: - be afraid, + exceedingly, fear, terror.

A condemnation or those who are evil is...

Rom 3:18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Same word. Yes, to fear God is to hold Him in great awe and respect, but also to fear Him...

I am not afraid of my heavenly Father, He loves me and wants me to be His son, but I am afraid to dishonor or disobey Him...

Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

So I am afraid to dishonor God with the abominations of the pagans...

Eze 20:7 Then said I unto them, Cast ye away every man the abominations of his eyes, and defile not yourselves with the idols of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Eze 20:8 But they rebelled against me, and would not hearken unto me: they did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt: then I said, I will pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the midst of the land of Egypt.

Lev 18:3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.

Now what are the feasts of the Lord?

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Guess what, xmas ain't in there.
 
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Ah, the first Christmas celebration!

And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased." When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." - Luke 2:13-15 NASB

Singing is a form of honoring God, what scripture condemns that? Seems God had a Christmas celebration with the host of angels! Is your vocal chords a form of an abomination?
 

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Ah, the first Christmas celebration!

And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased." When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." - Luke 2:13-15 NASB

Singing is a form of honoring God, what scripture condemns that? Seems God had a Christmas celebration with the host of angels! Is your vocal chords a form of an abomination?
Ah and then the angels lit the tree, had a go under the mistletoe and wassailed themselves into a hangover in front of the yule log whilst exchanging gifts. OK, I got it now.
 

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Ive never heard of any religion that uses picture frames,coo coo clocks or bird houses to worship their gods,well except for the clock which was divided into the 12 corresponding divisions and then by 60. because these 12,60 ect. are based from the 3 segments of the hand(usually the right) is 12x5=60 so each set then is denoted as one of the digits of the left hand so a "closed fist=60",,,,

at the bottom of this link,,, Sexagesimal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ,,, "Gregorian calender" and follow the links or if you rather search for the different calenders/clocks you will notice that they are based from the 12 astrological signs. and that they also correspond to 12 hours(on the clock) are then 1/5's the same as represented in a closed fist of the left hand(5 sets of 12=60 or the 3 set's of segments of your little finger,ring finger,middle finger,index finger added together=12=1/5 of 60),,,,

so if you are tracking the 12 zodiac signs in the sky then you must then have a method to measure arc minute/second of time to measure the distance they have traveled in aspect to the earth. that is (one degree of angularity is 17.5 thousandths per inch),,,,bear in mind in those days they used sundials,conversions to account for each day not being if equal length (daylight verses darkness),,,but the same measurements were being accounted for by them to track the movements of these stars to calculate their return the following year for the worship of their gods.
 
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Ah and then the angels lit the tree, had a go under the mistletoe and wassailed themselves into a hangover in front of the yule log whilst exchanging gifts. OK, I got it now.
The tree orginated from Martin Luther to honor Christ, not some crazy indigenous pagan group sacrificing to some giant carved stone. If it's so pagan, why don't you go to stores and tear them down? Rip up Christmas cards, decorations, and ornaments? Cuz if you condone it, your partaking it.
 
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Ah, the first Christmas celebration!

And suddenly there appeared with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying, "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased." When the angels had gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds began saying to one another, "Let us go straight to Bethlehem then, and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has made known to us." - Luke 2:13-15 NASB

Singing is a form of honoring God, what scripture condemns that? Seems God had a Christmas celebration with the host of angels! Is your vocal chords a form of an abomination?

Where in the bible it is a command to celebrate Jesus birth ?
 

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The tree orginated from Martin Luther to honor Christ, not some crazy indigenous pagan group sacrificing to some giant carved stone. If it's so pagan, why don't you go to stores and tear them down? Rip up Christmas cards, decorations, and ornaments? Cuz if you condone it, your partaking it.
Yep, and Martin Luther wrote Jeremiah 10...
 
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The tree orginated from Martin Luther to honor Christ, not some crazy indigenous pagan group sacrificing to some giant carved stone. If it's so pagan, why don't you go to stores and tear them down? Rip up Christmas cards, decorations, and ornaments? Cuz if you condone it, your partaking it.
Why do not you go and brake dowm Hidu, Buddist idols if you do not then you are condoning it hmmmm
 
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Where in the bible it is a command to celebrate Jesus birth ?
Where in the bible that says you don't have to?

Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father. - Colossians 3:16-17 NASB
 

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is the LORD GOD fuming about these lights?




this school play (maybe the ONLY time some kid gets to know the story)?





really?
 
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Why do not you go and brake dowm Hidu, Buddist idols if you do not then you are condoning it hmmmm
I have, went to a thrift store and bought a $5-8 statue of Buddha to only destroy it. Am i psychopath? It appears so.
 
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Where in the bible that says you don't have to?

Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father. - Colossians 3:16-17 NASB

The bible Jesus only said to celebrate His death that is the Lords supper

His death was more important than His birth

But hey you deny Jeremiah 10
 
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I have, went to a thrift store and bought a $5-8 statue of Buddha to only destroy it. Am i psychopath? It appears so.
You should go to japan and china etc dont just stop there go all over the world .

And if you did that that was foolish
 

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Society's traditions have interesting origins. The original December 25th celebration had to do with the birthday of Sol, the sun god. The early Christian church did not celebrate December 25th since to do so would have been an act of idolatry, an act condemned by the Christian bible. In past centuries, there was intense opposition to the Christmas tree (Religious Tolerance, 2010). In the Pagan realm, cutting down a tree to bring into the home and decorate used to be considered very destructive to nature. Currently, some opposition can still be found, but for the most part, Pagan and Christian alike can be seen taking part in the tradition of celebrating and decorating a tree. For some, the tree simply symbolizes hope for a new year.
The order to celebrate Christmas as a Christian festival came in the fifth century by the Roman Church (Anonymous, n.d.). The emperor, Constantine, professed to be Christian. Thus began the major move to join paganism and Christianity. During this time, Christianity was not all that popular. Constantine wanted it to be, so he made the move to interweave popular pagan traditions into Christianity to make it more attractive to the masses. The result is the Christmas customs we still see today.

The Christmas tree originated with a fellow by the name of Nimrod. Nimrod supposedly married his mother. Nimrod's mother, Semiramis, claimed an evergreen tree sprung up overnight from a dead tree stump, and this was to symbolize a springing forth of dead Nimrod, a sort of resurrection if you will (Anonymous, n.d.). One of many deaths and resurrections throughout history thus far. Semiramis claimed that on December 25th, Nimrod would pay a visit to the evergreen tree and leave presents there (Anonymous, n.d.). Nimrod was actually considered the divine son while his mother maintained "queen of heaven" status. Semiramis and Nimrod were the "Mother and Child" who were worshipped (Anonymous, n.d.). Of course, throughout the world, the names of the Mother and Child were changed. Depending upon what part of the world you reside in and what religion you follow, the names will fit into the story you have heard. In Egypt, the mother/child was Isis and Osiris; in Asia, Cybele and Deoius; in pagan Rome, Fortuna and Jupiterpuer; in modern day United States, Mary and Jesus (Anonymous, n.d.). Today, the tree is widely accepted by people of many different faiths and also by many who don't follow an organized religion.

Read more here

Origin of Christmas and the Christmas Tree - Yahoo Voices - voices.yahoo.com

Actually, it is easy to see where this celebration came from, punch in Isis, Osiris and christmas.
 
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The bible Jesus only said to celebrate His death that is the Lords supper

His death was more important than His birth

But hey you deny Jeremiah 10
Where does the bible say to "only". The scripture I posted said to everything for the Lord in word and deed.

Read previous posts about Jeremiah.
 
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Where does the bible say to "only". The scripture I posted said to everything for the Lord in word and deed.

Read previous posts about Jeremiah.


In everything give thanks yes but the Lord left one feast for us to celebrate and that is Lords supper or Communion
 
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You should go to japan and china etc dont just stop there go all over the world .

And if you did that that was foolish
I have been to Japan. I can brag, but why? I was given a free trip to Japan by the government. Went there and actually disrespected them for not participating in their Shinto practices. I was he only one in my entire group, because I don't pray to Kami neither practice anything to pagan rituals. I embarrassed my teacher. Enough about me. I am foolish.
 
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Where does the bible say to "only". The scripture I posted said to everything for the Lord in word and deed.

Read previous posts about Jeremiah.

Jeremiah ten is about the christmas tree same practice just they taking God name in vain in pagan worship

Jut like how alot of traditions people keep and you can trace it back to babylon or paganism
 

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In everything give thanks yes but the Lord left one feast for us to celebrate and that is Lords supper or Communion
? How about all the Feasts...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Holydays are the shadow of God's 7000 year plan.
 
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I have been to Japan. I can brag, but why? I was given a free trip to Japan by the government. Went there and actually disrespected them for not participating in their Shinto practices. I was he only one in my entire group, because I don't pray to Kami neither practice anything to pagan rituals. I embarrassed my teacher. Enough about me. I am foolish.
yep you celebrate christmas and it is pagan just because they use Jesus name that does not make it pagan