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DC i don't get it, actually I have to say I do get it.
I say that because I have lived a flip of the coin life.
Heads your saved, tails your not.
Tails your saved and heads your not.
Now I'm convinced and will never be unconvinced that our Fathet flips a coin every day and asks us to guess "Saved or not saved"
If that's the case then it's cruel, if that's the case then I may as well become a Muslim.
Hope my good works outweigh my bad works.
I'm now sure that our Father is not a coin flipper.
We only have to read Psalm 103 to know this.
I say that because I have lived a flip of the coin life.
Heads your saved, tails your not.
Tails your saved and heads your not.
Now I'm convinced and will never be unconvinced that our Fathet flips a coin every day and asks us to guess "Saved or not saved"
If that's the case then it's cruel, if that's the case then I may as well become a Muslim.
Hope my good works outweigh my bad works.
I'm now sure that our Father is not a coin flipper.
We only have to read Psalm 103 to know this.
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Like he said.....If in this life only we have hope in Christ.......<----we would be miserable.....
The bible is replete with scripture after scripture that proves eternal security....as a matter of act, the amount of scripture in context that must be rejected to believe in a loseable salvation would result in most of the New Testament being ripped from the bible.....they must flat reject the promises of Christ, the power of Christ, the words of Paul, Peter, John, Luke etc....they must reject an deny the words eternal and everlasting tied to life, they must deny verb tense etc....and on top of that they must embellish, twist, change, add to the bible in numerous ways....
Truth...if salvation can be lost....everyone is cooking and heaven will sound like the woods at night in late fall with a few crickets......
The bible is replete with scripture after scripture that proves eternal security....as a matter of act, the amount of scripture in context that must be rejected to believe in a loseable salvation would result in most of the New Testament being ripped from the bible.....they must flat reject the promises of Christ, the power of Christ, the words of Paul, Peter, John, Luke etc....they must reject an deny the words eternal and everlasting tied to life, they must deny verb tense etc....and on top of that they must embellish, twist, change, add to the bible in numerous ways....
Truth...if salvation can be lost....everyone is cooking and heaven will sound like the woods at night in late fall with a few crickets......
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The end justifies the means <---this fallacy permeates churches, individuals and families all over the world...as a matter of fact I was raked over the coals on this site by numerous people who tried to justify breaking the law to justify doing something good....and then tried to compare it to the disciples being beaten and commanded to not speak in the name of JESUS <---apples to oranges!
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how are we supposed to be shining examples of the body of Christ if our methods are no different from the lost.....
i know you dont agree with this fallacy of "the end justifies the means"
but.... i just cant wrap my head around it....
reminds me of socialism
and i agree
it seems to be everywhere these days
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Ok, several facts about the virgins:
1) they were all waiting for the bridesgroom to come. Carson even suggests they may be bridesmaids who were assisting the bride, who you expect had the right credentials to show up and be recognized at the wedding feast. This means they were not party crashers or brigands.
2) they were all waiting in the same place, and even slept in the same vacinity. Again, these virgins were not party crashers or brigands.
3) they all had lamps. But 5 had lamps with oil + they had extra oil in their vessels. 5 had oil in their lamps, but not extra oil for extended circumsances.
So with these facts in mind could all the virgins be saved. The answer is yes, since they were obviously invited to the wedding feast, could have assisted the bride, and had lamps to enjoy the march if at night.
If they were saved, 5 messed up with their oil and missed the procession, and then after the door was shut, were turned away when they showd up.
What is the parable all about. To me it is 5 unwise virgins that lost out on their wedding feast. It is a parable about losing out if you do not do things God tells you to do. Even though you think you may be saved, if you do not do what God tells you to do, you lose. He will prompt you by the Holy Spirit and try to keep you straight, but alas, the choice is yours, and the decisions you make are yours and youc an lose your salvation if you do not keep watch and remain stedfast.
1) they were all waiting for the bridesgroom to come. Carson even suggests they may be bridesmaids who were assisting the bride, who you expect had the right credentials to show up and be recognized at the wedding feast. This means they were not party crashers or brigands.
2) they were all waiting in the same place, and even slept in the same vacinity. Again, these virgins were not party crashers or brigands.
3) they all had lamps. But 5 had lamps with oil + they had extra oil in their vessels. 5 had oil in their lamps, but not extra oil for extended circumsances.
So with these facts in mind could all the virgins be saved. The answer is yes, since they were obviously invited to the wedding feast, could have assisted the bride, and had lamps to enjoy the march if at night.
If they were saved, 5 messed up with their oil and missed the procession, and then after the door was shut, were turned away when they showd up.
What is the parable all about. To me it is 5 unwise virgins that lost out on their wedding feast. It is a parable about losing out if you do not do things God tells you to do. Even though you think you may be saved, if you do not do what God tells you to do, you lose. He will prompt you by the Holy Spirit and try to keep you straight, but alas, the choice is yours, and the decisions you make are yours and youc an lose your salvation if you do not keep watch and remain stedfast.
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Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
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