Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

So I am no longer saved.

OSAS has left the building.

yawn
who said you were ever saved?

 

[OneOfHis]

Never said we are saved because of our actions. That’s Cart before horse. There is a cart and there is a horse. But one goes before the other

I will bring up again where our largest issue started yesterday. You seem to belittle your own sin as less than the man you described.



Is it possible in anyway, that man you made up could be saved? (death bed conversion not included in the "anyway")

 

[Discern]

Yet he died with multiple wives. Ie he sinned until death

Adam and Eves children has to sleep with kin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You do not need faith in yourself to be saved. How silly is that.

Yet that’s what your trusting
and yes it is silly

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course. Key word being “struggle”.

Addicts struggle
Will god kick them out?
next

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I hope you went to the right physician?

I went to Jesus and the Cross

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are you saying I can convert to Islam and still be saved?

You would never do it if you where saved

If you had true faith and experienced gods true love you would understand

 

[OneOfHis]

Oh goodness this degraded so much,

discern you did specifically ask me a yes or no question, then claimed you didnt then claimed the reason you turned my answer into a yes or no was to narrow it down.... goodness....

You still see no issue in that?


I got things to do


hope you all see exactly what God wants you to see


(later, discern who has never once posted even once under or on a different account or username)

 

[Discern]

I will bring up again where our largest issue started yesterday. You seem to belittle your own sin as less than the man you described.



Is it possible in anyway, that man you made up could be saved? (death bed conversion not included in the "anyway")

Where did I belittle my own sin?

Are you asking me to judge now? Yes, I would not judge him. I examine myself. But 1 John 3:10 stands.

 

[OneOfHis]

Where did I belittle my own sin?

Are you asking me to judge now? Yes, I would not judge him. I examine myself. But 1 John 3:10 stands.

You avoided my question.

It is possible that man you made up could be saved without a deathbed conversion?

 

[Discern]

You would never do it if you where saved

If you had true faith and experienced gods true love you would understand

Agree. But if someone did convert to Islam, and you said they were never saved, that is making a judgement on that person

 

[Lightskin]

Can they? You tell me. After all, it’s just one sin, right? And per some, it would just be a besetting sin, and only one...

Apparently you missed the word lifestyle. That said however, God’s gift of grace is irrevocable. My question is whether someone who lives such a lifestyle could actually have at one time truly given their life to Christ.

 

[Discern]

You avoided my question.

It is possible that man you made up could be saved without a deathbed conversion?

I did in edit. Go back to post again.

 

[Discern]

Apparently you missed the word lifestyle. That said however, God’s gift of grace is irrevocable. My question is whether someone who lives such a lifestyle could actually have at one time truly given their life to Christ.

Lifestyle of adultery is a lifestyle.

Last line in your post is in agreement to what I have been saying

 

[Discern]

Addicts struggle
Will god kick them out?
next

Nope.

 

[EleventhHour]

Are you suggesting if one sins, they can't be saved because their actions show the heart and a new heart is incapable of sin?


Or are you twisting the issue?


The matter I was speaking of in regards to the heart, is how sin effects God's children who do fail.


You are sounding more and more double minded discern.



Have you ever once posted on CC with a different username or account?

Agree sounds very familiar .... that one ongoing sticking point that keeps coming up again and again.

 

[Discern]

Are you suggesting if one sins, they can't be saved because their actions show the heart and a new heart is incapable of sin?


Or are you twisting the issue?


The matter I was speaking of in regards to the heart, is how sin effects God's children who do fail.


You are sounding more and more double minded discern.



Have you ever once posted on CC with a different username or account?

The first line is not close to what I’m saying. 🙂

 

[OneOfHis]

I did in edit. Go back to post again.

Your answer is yes?

A man "living in sin" by your definition can be saved?


That surprises me.

You have now again confused me as to why you claimed I am backwards before twisting the heart issue from how the heart reacts to sin that has happened and if a good heart can produce the same sin in multiple occasions...


I agree a horrible life is evidence of ones lack of maturity in Christ, how they feel about it could also be lack of a NEW God given heart and desire for righteousness if they call good evil and evil good.


I'd also agree one who calls good evil and evil good and LOVES sin opposed to HATES it SEEMINGLY before man does not have God working in them the same way He worked in me.



Your approach and words felt like condescending double talk...


anyways

i really do have to go

but i am confused as to where we disagree again

 

[Discern]

Agree sounds very familiar .... that one ongoing sticking point that keeps coming up again and again.

Too bad his post is not even close to repeating what I am saying. 🙂

 

[Lightskin]

Lifestyle of adultery is a lifestyle.

Last line in your post is in agreement to what I have been saying

I’m not saying a person who lives such a lifestyle could not give their life to Christ. I’m not implying that’s what you’re saying either. Bottom line, if such a person gave their life to Christ at one time, God’s gift of grace is irrevocable.