not under the law Galatians 5.

[john832]

Yes, I agree.

But under the law all the world is guilty before God, Rom 3:19.

That's why the new covenant was offered. Christians are not under the law now.

You are holding onto the ministry of condemnation/death when you preach the law. That ministry was done away.

2Cor 3:7-11
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

So, would you say we are not required to keep the fourth Commandment?

Do you use the same line of reasoning for the others?

How about the fifth Commandment? What about he sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth?

How about telling us how you feel about those?

 

[john832]

Why do you ignore Christ's commandments?
1John 3:23.
we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And note that the Sabbath is not listed here.

Christians should not have any desire to kill anyone, as we love one another.
And as we're not perfect in this flawed physical world, we see that love also forgives 7x70.
King David did not profit from the wrong he did, and nor do Christians. God chastises those He loves.

What we see in Christ's two commandments is:
1: In believing on Jesus our faith is counted for righteousness.
2: And in loving one another we do no ill to another, which also means we forgive one another should one of us slip up. This confirms our faith in Christ in that we show the same love/grace to others as God showed to us. That is we do not preach judgment/condemnation under the law to others because they failed to obey it.

Legalists however, are like that servant who, after the King forgave his debt when he cried for mercy, that servant promptly had a fellow servant thrown into prison because he could not pay his debt.

And just Who do you think spoke these words?

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So, would you say we are not required to keep the fourth Commandment?

Do you use the same line of reasoning for the others?

How about the fifth Commandment? What about he sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth and tenth?

How about telling us how you feel about those?

how well are you doing those, as well as the first 3?

 

[john832]

Why do you ignore Christ's commandments?
1John 3:23.
we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And note that the Sabbath is not listed here.

Neither is taking the Eternal's name in vain and neither is this one...

Lev 18:23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.

So, since it is not mentioned, you think this behavior is acceptable?

By the way, keeping the Sabbath is reaffirmed in the New Testament...

Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

Rest = Sabbatismos. Means keeping the Sabbath...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God. - Diaglott

Christians should not have any desire to kill anyone, as we love one another.

I find this interesting, it is stated by many but it contradicts scripture...

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

And as we're not perfect in this flawed physical world, we see that love also forgives 7x70.
King David did not profit from the wrong he did, and nor do Christians. God chastises those He loves.

What we see in Christ's two commandments is:
1: In believing on Jesus our faith is counted for righteousness.
2: And in loving one another we do no ill to another, which also means we forgive one another should one of us slip up. This confirms our faith in Christ in that we show the same love/grace to others as God showed to us. That is we do not preach judgment/condemnation under the law to others because they failed to obey it.

Legalists however, are like that servant who, after the King forgave his debt when he cried for mercy, that servant promptly had a fellow servant thrown into prison because he could not pay his debt.

Really? Then I must not be a legalist because all I can think to do is praise God and thank Him for daily forgiving my transgression of His Law.

 

[prove-all]

by doing 4 command, you are obeying and doing the first 3,

if not we have an advocator to help use.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Neither is taking the Eternal's name in vain and neither is this one...

Lev 18:23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.

So, since it is not mentioned, you think this behavior is acceptable?

By the way, keeping the Sabbath is reaffirmed in the New Testament...

Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

Rest = Sabbatismos. Means keeping the Sabbath...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God. - Diaglott




I find this interesting, it is stated by many but it contradicts scripture...

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.



Really? Then I must not be a legalist because all I can think to do is praise God and thank Him for daily forgiving my transgression of His Law.

so again, how good are you at obeying them?

 

[john832]

how well are you doing those, as well as the first 3?

Oh, I am doing pretty well but then every now and then I stumble so I go to the throne of GRACE and receive forgiveness...

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[john832]

so again, how good are you at obeying them?

Hmmm, how good are you doing? Or are you even trying to?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmmm, how good are you doing? Or are you even trying to?

Even if I tried my hardest, I would fall so far short of Gods glory I would even come close to having any hope.

it is not me who works, it is God who works in me, I can do nothing of my own power.

you will not find me admitting I am worthy, because I obey the commands, You will always find me begging for Gods mercy, because I am not worthy, not because I go out looking for sin, but because I am not too proud to admit I sin on a daily baises.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh, I am doing pretty well but then every now and then I stumble so I go to the throne of GRACE and receive forgiveness...

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

ah, so your like ken, and can not admit you are still condemned by the law. You think you are worthy, and just mess up every now and then.

which at least is good. you admit you still have sin, so why are you throwing stones?