Obama In 1998: "I Actually Believe In Redistribution"
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And So what???? All the tax money ends up in someone else's pocket for one reason or another and so it is redistributed. There is absolutely no problem with the simple idea of redistributing tax money. The problem comes in when you or I disagree about the purposes of the way it is redistributed. It is also complicated when people like Glenn Beck and others use words like "stealing" when it comes to that tax money.
So lets get over the simple word 'redistributing" tax money and get back to deciding how it is redistributed. Frankly no one really is suggesting that the government keep a "savings account" and save up that money.
So lets get over the simple word 'redistributing" tax money and get back to deciding how it is redistributed. Frankly no one really is suggesting that the government keep a "savings account" and save up that money.
I don't have a problem helping anyone that needs help, but that needs to be through churches and private foundations, not through our government. We need a smaller government not bigger.
Smaller unless its purpose is to go into our doctors offices and make sure no one gets an abortion or gets contraceptives. It takes a huge government to monitor every pregnancy to make sure that it ends properly, make sure that no one interferes with the "rights of the unborn." It also takes a huge government to send troops into nearly every nation on Earth to interfere with and control their way of life. We spend more money in that endeavor than the 10 next biggest countries in the world put together and that is not "Big government." Yeah, you say that is good big government? But it is still big government.
The problem as I see it is that while you say you want smaller government, what you really want is a government which does things your way regardless of who else might want it that way too. Lets be honest, Moment of faith, you really dont want smaller government so lets just get over this little lie you repeat.
The problem as I see it is that while you say you want smaller government, what you really want is a government which does things your way regardless of who else might want it that way too. Lets be honest, Moment of faith, you really dont want smaller government so lets just get over this little lie you repeat.
FWIW the most wasteful part of our government is the defense department. It has never been audited! It uses 12 different means of accounting and because of that when the GAO attempted to audit it (that is the job of the GAO btw) it simply could not do it because the pentagon built a process that is and will forever be unaccountable as long it keeps the system the way it is.
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oracle2world
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Unless the help is within the framework of faith, it just does not work. Annoying as that may sound to folks in the secular world and government.
And you are expecting churches to be able to afford this? Especially when the Christian population is lessening due to a variety of reasons?
If I don't believe in abortions and contraceptives why should i pay for them?
To monitor such only takes doctors that have morals.
Then tell your state you need no police, no national guard.
I also said private sector .. but if nobody wants to give to the church that may be your first sign of greater problems
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TheGrungeDiva
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So you don't think public money should be used to build and improve roads, bridges, sanitation, and other utilities and infrastructure?
You think it's wrong that taxes should be collected to support a national defense?
You want to eliminate police, legal systems, emergency response, etc. except for people who can afford personal security?
These are all examples of "redistribution." Money is taken from the citizens at large and used for a specific purpose to benefit all the citizens.
Now, if you want to say that health care, food, shelter, etc. are not the responsibility of the government, you can make that argument. Go for it. I would love to hear a well-constructed case pro or con.
As for size of government, you want "small"? How about 1? Can't get much smaller than that. Well, there's 0. So, sounds like you're arguing either for anarchy or monarchy. I don't think you're going to get much support for either of those ideas here in the United States. But who knows, start a support group, maybe there are other people who see it your way. If you get enough people to agree, start a movement. Anything's possible.
No I want rule of law, but that’s it. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I don’t mind our local government building roads and so on. This helps with Life, Liberty, and the pursuit.
If our government was supposed to give everyone healthcare, housing, food, then the founding fathers would have done such.
The 47% percent of American now that believe in socialism are the ones already living like it, but the thing they don’t understand sooner or later when they bring down the middle class those who have been living off of them will suffer. They want know how to take care of themselves unless the rape, rob, and murder.
They will become the anarchy that you’re so worried about. Look at OWS and the filth they bring to the table. That’s what you will have on steroids. Then you will need someone to counter act this craziness.
But see now we have come full circle back to
Top Down,
Bottom Up,
Inside Out
From Apathy back into Bondage
Why American Freedom is in its Eleventh Hour
A well-known self-destructive cycle of democratic behavior has been attributed to an eighteenth century historian by the name of Alexander Tytler. Whether Tytler is the original author or not, the concept of democratic self-destruction has been proven accurate, right here in America.
“From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
If our government was supposed to give everyone healthcare, housing, food, then the founding fathers would have done such.
The 47% percent of American now that believe in socialism are the ones already living like it, but the thing they don’t understand sooner or later when they bring down the middle class those who have been living off of them will suffer. They want know how to take care of themselves unless the rape, rob, and murder.
They will become the anarchy that you’re so worried about. Look at OWS and the filth they bring to the table. That’s what you will have on steroids. Then you will need someone to counter act this craziness.
But see now we have come full circle back to
Top Down,
Bottom Up,
Inside Out
From Apathy back into Bondage
Why American Freedom is in its Eleventh Hour
A well-known self-destructive cycle of democratic behavior has been attributed to an eighteenth century historian by the name of Alexander Tytler. Whether Tytler is the original author or not, the concept of democratic self-destruction has been proven accurate, right here in America.
“From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.”
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TheGrungeDiva
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Food, health care, and shelter ... can't get much closer to "life" than that. Those are the essential for life. Roads, police, armies, those things look like luxuries if you can't even feed yourself or your family.
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TheGrungeDiva
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I don't believe we had it then, but people knew how to build a house, plow a field, and some medical procedures.
The government did not say we are going to build everyone am house, food all of you, and help you in any way we can.
The government did not say we are going to build everyone am house, food all of you, and help you in any way we can.
matter of fact I think we should use double but with Obama version of cap and trade your rates will skyrocket.
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TheGrungeDiva
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Actually, you are mistaken. The US government DID provide welfare to the poor, way back since the beginning. Initially, before the constitution, churches provided pretty much all the services you mention: schools, hospitals, orphanages, etc. Within a decade of the writing of the constitution, many states recognized the need to establish non-church-funded institutions, to maintain that "wall of separation" in the Bill of Rights. Jefferson especially spoke often in favor of government-funded welfare.
Of course, it didn't say we're going to build everyone a house. But it did say we're going to make sure all the most vulnerable (children and elderly) are taken care of.
And that is all we're asking for today.
Well it's time we get back to separation from church and state if you want to call it that. It's time for our churches to start taking care of us again, for our communities to come back together, for a strong family, morals, and so on
So this is how it's going to start out. Christian will not go along with this " System " then the system will start blaming the Christian. They will need an escape goat.
You Christian will not move forward. Science has proven it is no GOD. You are holding all of society back. You are causing everyone harm with your primitive thinking.
You Christian will not move forward. Science has proven it is no GOD. You are holding all of society back. You are causing everyone harm with your primitive thinking.