There is one work that God requires. Do you have any idea what that is?
Obedience REQUIRED
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I didn't overlook it, but was making it easier for the readers to differentiate between those who are in Christ and who is NOT in Christ.
Those serving the flesh, are not in Christ; and if they do not repent of such behaviors will perish.
I agree, those doing the listed things are not converted...and salvation will only be granted to those walking in the Spirit on the last day's judgement
That liberty, is from the works of the Law; circumcision, dietary rules, feast keeping, tithing, sabbath keeping, priesthoods, etc.
His Spiritual children are incapable of committing sin. (1 John 3:9)
It is the devil's children that do the works of the "flesh".
I didn't omit it, as it had nothing at all to do with the point I was making about the works of the flesh preventing eventual salvation.
Amen.
And the Spirit doesn't lead men to do the works of the "flesh".
Being led by the Spirit to conversion removes man from being under the Law.
If they are still committing works of the "flesh", they are still under the Law, and unconverted.
Our salvation is dependent on our actions.
No, they just want to keep committing sin.
Those in Christ have had the old man of the flesh destroyed, by obediently getting baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past past sins.
It is written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)
Correct.
Hardly, as Christ provided all we need to do to get washed by His blood, and to resist temptation faithfully until the end.
Without His intercession, we would at best, be OT Jews trying unsuccessfully to be saved by Law keeping.
Like Paul described in his recollection of pre-conversion life in Romans 7.
Yes, He is.
But if we don't obey Him, He will be the judge who sends us to the lake of fire.
I don't see our obedient behavior achieving anything, but manifesting our love for God, His Son, and for our neighbors.
Without the suffering, death, and resurrection of Jesus, I would still be a servant of sin like the rest of the unconverted are.
He opened the door, but I had to go through it to be counted among the faithful children of God.
If you are drowning, and a life guard tosses you a life-ring, and you grab it to get to shore, who saved you ?
Weren't both of you involved in the saving ?
Jesus offers men salvation, but it comes with conditions.
It all boils down to loving God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength...and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves.
It meant His life was over.
Until He was resurrected, there was still much to occur.
Uhhh...
I am glad you added that.
As eternal life (with God) is dependent on all we do with these lives.
It is written..."But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." (Matt 12:36)
I am sure you are as glad as I am, that God has provided the ways and means of abiding faithfully in Him.
I am especially appreciative of 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
Keep looking for the escapes !
Your lifeguard analogy completely fails when compared to Scripture. The sinner is not drowning; he is already drowned and dead. Ephesians 2 clearly declares that before being saved, we were all dead in trespasses and sins. A dead person lying at the bottom of the ocean cannot see, cannot hear, and cannot take hold of a life-ring to help save himself. By claiming that both man and Christ are involved in the saving, you explicitly deny that Jesus is a complete Savior who alone saves the dead. You have already made your belief clear to everyone that your salvation is conditional on your own performance and compliance. Christ is not your Savior; your own willpower is. Your point of view has hardened, so, why do you keep belaboring it? There is no reason to continue this discussion further.
Are there any dead in trespasses and sins, in Christ ?
Are there any alive in trespasses and sins, in Christ ?
The answer to both questions is NO.
So, there can be no sinners in Christ.
By following the exhortations of the Lord and His apostles, we can be made alive without trespasses and sins !
Your Bible says no such thing. The pronoun "us" is referring to Christians not individuals who believe they are Christians.
The pronoun's antecedent is a group (Christians) not any specific individuals. You are injecting yourself into a pronoun, a common assumption. This is ignorance that borders on arrogance.
Your Colossians 3:3 understanding is quite the same.
Post #322. Bearing false witness against your neighbor.
Once again, your argument fails because it reverses the order of events. You claim that following “exhortations” can give a person spiritual life, but Ephesians 2:1 and 2:5 clearly shows that no human action can make anyone alive. We are completely dead, and it is God alone who makes us alive, changing us from one extreme state to the other. A corpse cannot hear or follow instructions to gain life. It is God who makes us alive while we are still yet dead in sin, before being able to do anything to help ourselves.
1 Corinthians 1:30 says, “But of him are ye in Christ Jesus,” and 2 Corinthians 1:21 states, “Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God.” God alone, according to His good pleasure and by His own power, places and establishes His children in Christ. This is never a reward for compliance or following directions, but a completely free gift given to them by His mercy and grace through Christ.
You also confuse spiritual state with physical, earthly, state. In God’s sight, the saint has been made clean through Jesus Christ, yet sin remains in the flesh until death. First Timothy 1:15 states that in the present tense: “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.” Paul did not say he had been chief before he was in Christ; he was describing his present condition. By claiming that life is given by the following of directions, you again deny that Jesus Christ is the complete Savior who alone saves His children without any contribution from them.
When I was a teenager, I had temporarily attended the CoC and I remember how they played word games with works as well. They even seemed to have their own personal definition of non-meritorious works. Their word games don't work with me either. They also try to "shoehorn" or smuggle works "into" salvation through faith, not works.
Ecclesiastes 12:13
The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man.
Well yes. I would like to outlaw people who are tryign to impose water baptism in place of spirit baptism. for just like the jew who imposed physical circumcision. they are teaching a false gospel. which paul said should be anathema
I serve God
But replacing his grace with works will earn you hell. Not a place in heaven, which no man can earn
I guess it is finished, I did my part now you do yours.. so in reality, it really is not finished. april fools
Jesus is the God of both the Old and New Testament.
What is your point and what is this "different instruction"?
you are in a world all of your own making my friend.
And?
does it say that we are saved by doing these things?
Ah//No your just like the pharisees. Pumping your chest. Pointing out all the sinners. and praising God your not like them.
Good luck with that
A work is done to earn a wage, To receive a reward. Biblically, it is somethign you can boast in.
You need to repent of works which can not save you. they are dead works. meaningless. because you will not be rewarded for them.