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[OMC]

This right here is exactly why so many believe they can live in sin and still be saved

I dont agree. Those who are spirit filled will strive to do the right thing even though they may sin due to being human and lack of understanding. Future sins in this case are forgiven.
Those who walk in the flesh were never saved to begin with and their sins are not forgiven.

 

[carbunculus]

I haven't climbed inside your brain once to tell you what to think.
We should all be thinking like Jesus, seeing things from His point of view.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Scooter your to busy telling what you think, Jesus point of view is when one of his sheep gets lost he finds them and doesn't send them to hell.

Let me guess you'll think for Jesus now

 

[ScooterJackson]

Future sins in this case are forgiven.

That by passes seed time and harvest, sowing and reaping to say all future sins are already forgiven without us confessing and forsaking our sin.

Ultimately claiming mankind no longer reaps what he sows is mocking God. That's how we know the claim that future sins are already forgiven is a doctrine of demons is because it mocks God claiming when we sow to the flesh we do not reap corruption

they may sin due to being human and lack of understanding.

Yeah lots of folks hide behind this in order to continue in their sin. After all, all the big time preachers tell everyone that it's not possible to lose salvation so many believe that and go ahead and flow with the world in sinful behavior. These are big time preachers so surely they know what they are talking about, right? Wrong! They are wolves!

They'll claim "I'm only human" and "I don't know everything" as though these are good excuses to do what they know they should not be doing. They aren't fooling the Lord at all.

James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Galatians 6:7 - For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption

 

[pinebeach]

I never claimed I was the only one that learned from God's Word that once saved always saved is false doctrine and a scam of the devil. There are others around that love the Lord so much they are willing to accept all the Lord teaches in His Word.

Pointing out portions of scripture others choose to ignore is not judging them. It's trying to help them understand they have been indoctrinated in to only believing certain passages and ignoring or rejecting other passages.

The people crying about "being judged" know there's something wrong with their precious reformed theology and so they feel the need to lash out at anybody who dares to not flow with this carnal minded made made religion. If they really believed their own religion that would just move on and stop arguing about it.

By arguing about it they are showing they know there's something bad wrong with reformed theology.

Reformed theology? When Jesus asks you why you were so rude and judgemental, you gonna say reformed theology?

I would laugh cause it sounds ridiculous, but it is actually sad.

Like I said, most prob do not even bother to respond to your false judgements anymore. YOU have a problem with what you perceive as people who understand that God keeps those who belong to Him. You declare everyone is false and want to argue with you.

You are in the moon. The dark side of the moon

 

[mailmandan]

I dont agree. Those who are spirit filled will strive to do the right thing even though they may sin due to being human and lack of understanding. Future sins in this case are forgiven.
Those who walk in the flesh were never saved to begin with and their sins are not forgiven.

To live in sin is to practice sin, which is one's lifestyle or bent of life and John made it clear that no one who is born of God practices sin. (1 John 3:9) Yet that does not mean that believers never sin at all. (1 John 1:8-10)

You are correct. Those who are in the flesh walk in the flesh and were never save to begin with.

Romans 8:8 - So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

 

[OMC]

That by passes seed time and harvest, sowing and reaping to say all future sins are already forgiven without us confessing and forsaking our sin.

Ultimately claiming mankind no longer reaps what he sows is mocking God. That's how we know the claim that future sins are already forgiven is a doctrine of demons is because it mocks God claiming when we sow to the flesh we do not reap corruption

I think you're creating a false dilemma.

If someone says future sins are forgiven through Christ's atoning work, that does not mean a believer no longer reaps what he sows. Paul taught both realities simultaneously.

On the one hand: "Having forgiven you all trespasses" (Col. 2:13).
On the other: "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Gal. 6:7).
Those statements do not contradict each other.

David was forgiven for his sin (2 Sam. 12:13), yet still suffered consequences for it.
Forgiveness and consequences are not the same thing.

So I would be careful about calling the doctrine of forgiveness for future sins a "doctrine of demons."
The real question is what Christ accomplished at the cross.
If Christ died only for sins committed before conversion, then every future sin would require a new sacrifice.
Yet Hebrews repeatedly argues that Christ offered Himself: "once for all" (Heb. 10:10).
The issue is not whether believers reap what they sow.
Scripture clearly says they do.
The issue is whether Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for all the sins of those who are in Him.
That question must be answered from the texts dealing with atonement, not from Galatians 6 alone.

Yeah lots of folks hide behind this in order to continue in their sin. After all, all the big time preachers tell everyone that it's not possible to lose salvation so many believe that and go ahead and flow with the world in sinful behavior. These are big time preachers so surely they know what they are talking about, right? Wrong! They are wolves!

They'll claim "I'm only human" and "I don't know everything" as though these are good excuses to do what they know they should not be doing. They aren't fooling the Lord at all.

James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Galatians 6:7 - For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption

I agree that some people use "I'm only human" as an excuse for sin.
Scripture certainly condemns that attitude. "To him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin" (James 4:17). "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Gal. 6:7).
No disagreement there.

But I would caution against assuming that everyone who believes in eternal security is therefore promoting lawlessness.
Paul faced the same accusation: "Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid" (Rom. 6:1-2).
The existence of counterfeit grace does not mean grace itself is false.

The real question is not whether believers reap what they sow.
Scripture plainly says they do.
The question is whether a believer's failures nullify Christ's atoning work or whether God disciplines His children while remaining faithful to His promises.
David reaped what he sowed, yet remained God's servant.
Peter denied Christ, yet was restored.

Those who knowingly persist in sin while presuming upon grace are deceiving themselves.
But neither does Galatians 6:7 prove that every sin committed by a believer results in the loss of salvation.
That conclusion still has to be demonstrated from the passages that specifically address salvation, forgiveness, perseverance, and apostasy.
The fact that we reap what we sow is certain.
What remains under debate is the effect of that reaping on one's standing before God.

 

[ScooterJackson]

When Jesus asks you why you were so rude and judgemental

Only those following fake reformed theology are upset when their doctrine is proven to not be true with scripture.
Those walking in love would try and help their poor souls who have been deceived by reformed theology.

God keeps those who belong to Him.

Yes He does, as long as they abide in Him - walking after the Spirit not after the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:12 - If we deny Him, He also will deny us

Matthew 13:41,42 - The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Psalms 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity

Do you always reject the warnings the Lord has placed in His Word?
Or did they teach you these can be ignored because they are meaningless?

You declare everyone is false and want to argue with you.

I'm speaking about doctrine, not individual people.
It's odd that people attach themselves to unbiblical doctrine refusing to accept the whole counsel of the Lord.

 

[pinebeach]

Only those following fake reformed theology are upset when their doctrine is proven to not be true with scripture.
Those walking in love would try and help their poor souls who have been deceived by reformed theology.



Yes He does, as long as they abide in Him - walking after the Spirit not after the flesh.

2 Timothy 2:12 - If we deny Him, He also will deny us

Matthew 13:41,42 - The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Psalms 5:5 - The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity

Do you always reject the warnings the Lord has placed in His Word?
Or did they teach you these can be ignored because they are meaningless?




I'm speaking about doctrine, not individual people.
It's odd that people attach themselves to unbiblical doctrine refusing to accept the whole counsel of the Lord.

Quack quack quack. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it isn't a humming bird.

If someone continually falsely judges others over and over and over again, they are not judging by God's standards.

That, would be you.

 

[ScooterJackson]

If someone says future sins are forgiven through Christ's atoning work, that does not mean a believer no longer reaps what he sows

And yet they do not teach repentance. They can't because if they do others will say they are being negative
The churches and preachers would lose money if they taught repentance so money comes first with these people

On the one hand: "Having forgiven you all trespasses" (Col. 2:13).
On the other: "Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" (Gal. 6:7).
Those statements do not contradict each other.

OK, so I can go back to living in sin and all my sins are forgiven and I'll still go to Heaven then right?
You can't have it both ways. If one sows to the flesh they reap corruption.
That is not forgiven unless they forsake and confess their sin.

One must sow to the Spirit in order to get ride of corruption.
That's what forsaking and confessing sin to the Lord does

Notice the IF part in 1 John 1:9
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If you don't, He won't. Unless someone wants to claim the Lord lied by putting 1 John 1:9 in His Word?

David was forgiven for his sin (2 Sam. 12:13), yet still suffered consequences for it.

So let's stick to how things work in the New Covenant where we live.
And let's not forget David begged God for forgiveness for a long time. That was under the law of Moses.

So I would be careful about calling the doctrine of forgiveness for future sins a "doctrine of demons."

Well you do you and I'll stick with what the Lord says in His Word.
God is not mocked. What we sow is what we reap. The Cross does not take that away.

The real question is what Christ accomplished at the cross.

What He did during His death, burial, and resurrection did not do away with sowing and reaping.
Anybody claiming we can sow to the flesh and not reap corruption is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8
Why not just forsake and confess sin if a person goofs up and commits sin? Why is this so hard?

If Christ died only for sins committed before conversion, then every future sin would require a new sacrifice.

No, the Blood of Jesus is available to wash away sin, but it has to be applied.
It's not automatically applied because God created man in His Image meaning man reaps what He sows.

When man sins, he just reaped corruption.
If man is willing to forsake and confess their sin then they are reaping eternal life and are cleansed.
Those refusing to humble themselves before the Lord forsake / confess their sin retain their corruption.

But I would caution against assuming that everyone who believes in eternal security is therefore promoting lawlessness.

The very act of believing eternal security in in itself lawlessness because God's Word teaches that salvation is only applicable to those that abide in Christ and God teaches in His Word that some do no continue to abide Christ and warns what happens if they do not.

The issue here is some have a problem abiding in Christ. They like walking after the flesh so they gravitate towards teachers that tickle their ears telling them that even if they live in sin they are still saved and they tell them they'll "suffer consequences" in this live for living in sin but none the less they will still go to Heaven even if they live in sin.

The existence of counterfeit grace does not mean grace itself is false.

I never said the true grace of God is false. The true grace of God teaches us to not sin!
Titus 2:11,12 - For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

See now some are going to claim Titus 2:11,12 is works based salvation because it says we should "deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world"

Jude 1:4 - For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:1,2 - What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The real question is not whether believers reap what they sow.
Scripture plainly says they do.
The question is whether a believer's failures nullify Christ's atoning work or whether God disciplines His children while remaining faithful to His promises.

The question is actually are they abiding in Christ walking after the Spirit?
Or, will they walk after the flesh and claim to still be saved.

No condemnation is only applicable to those who walk after the Spirit

Romans 8:1 - There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[ScooterJackson]

judging by God's standards.

God judges by His Word which is what I'm talking about.
The reformed are pushing carnal religious doctrine not found in God's Word.

 

[Gideon300]

What verse 9

How did you get born again?

Thks

God did it. He's good at that.

 

[Gideon300]

Your words are mostly claims of the metaphysical and personal experience. You cannot see this in your own words because you are too deep into the New Age ditch to see it. Most people who follow New Age beliefs are unaware of it.

Your claims of being born again holds no more weight on this forum than mine.

I answered your question about if I am RC. It seems you are ignoring my question about if you are New Age. I will take this as a yes.

I am born again by the Spirit of God. Jesus is my Lord and my Life. If that is new age, then that is me.

 

[ScooterJackson]

God did it. He's good at that.

So were you just hanging out one day minding your own business and then BAM, you found yourself to suddenly be born again?

 

[Gideon300]

So were you just hanging out one day minding your own business and then BAM, you found yourself to suddenly be born again?

I answered the question as it was put to me. If you want me to elaborate, ask me without your usual sarcasm.

 

[OMC]

OK, so I can go back to living in sin and all my sins are forgiven and I'll still go to Heaven then right?
You can't have it both ways. If one sows to the flesh they reap corruption.
That is not forgiven unless they forsake and confess their sin.

One must sow to the Spirit in order to get ride of corruption.
That's what forsaking and confessing sin to the Lord does

Notice the IF part in 1 John 1:9
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If you don't, He won't. Unless someone wants to claim the Lord lied by putting 1 John 1:9 in His Word?

I don't think 1 John 1:9 proves what you're claiming.
Yes, believers should confess their sins.
No argument there.
But if forgiveness is suspended until every individual sin is specifically confessed, what happens to sins we forget, misunderstand, or don't immediately recognize?
Are we moving in and out of salvation throughout the day?

The issue isn't whether confession matters.
The issue is whether Christ's sacrifice was truly sufficient.
Scripture says Christ offered Himself "once for all" (Heb. 10:10) and that God has "forgiven you all trespasses" (Col. 2:13).
Galatians 6:7 teaches that we reap what we sow.
It does not say every unconfessed sin cancels our salvation until we remember to mention it.

So yes, confess your sins.
Yes, forsake your sins.
Yes, God disciplines His children.
But the claim that a believer remains unforgiven until every individual sin is specifically confessed still has to be demonstrated from Scripture rather than assumed from 1 John 1:9.

What He did during His death, burial, and resurrection did not do away with sowing and reaping.
Anybody claiming we can sow to the flesh and not reap corruption is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8
Why not just forsake and confess sin if a person goofs up and commits sin? Why is this so hard?

Nobody is arguing that believers can sow to the flesh and not reap corruption.
Galatians 6:7-8 plainly says exactly the opposite.
The part I'm questioning is the leap from "believers reap consequences for sin" to "every unconfessed sin immediately removes a believer from salvation."

And honestly, I don't know any serious Christian who would say, "Don't confess your sins."
Of course we should confess them.
Of course we should forsake them.
The question is whether 1 John 1:9 is describing the restoration of fellowship with God or teaching that Christ's atonement stops applying until each individual sin is specifically named.

If your view is correct, what happens to sins we forget, don't yet understand, or die before confessing?
Does our salvation depend on Christ's finished work or on our ability to maintain a perfectly updated list of every failure?

So no, I'm not arguing against confession.
I'm arguing that Galatians 6 and 1 John 1:9 do not, by themselves, prove that every unconfessed sin places a believer back under condemnation.
That conclusion still has to be demonstrated from Scripture.

 

[mailmandan]

I don't think 1 John 1:9 proves what you're claiming.
Yes, believers should confess their sins.
No argument there.
But if forgiveness is suspended until every individual sin is specifically confessed, what happens to sins we forget, misunderstand, or don't immediately recognize?
Are we moving in and out of salvation throughout the day?

The issue isn't whether confession matters.
The issue is whether Christ's sacrifice was truly sufficient.
Scripture says Christ offered Himself "once for all" (Heb. 10:10) and that God has "forgiven you all trespasses" (Col. 2:13).
Galatians 6:7 teaches that we reap what we sow.
It does not say every unconfessed sin cancels our salvation until we remember to mention it.

So yes, confess your sins.
Yes, forsake your sins.
Yes, God disciplines His children.
But the claim that a believer remains unforgiven until every individual sin is specifically confessed still has to be demonstrated from Scripture rather than assumed from 1 John 1:9.

Nobody is arguing that believers can sow to the flesh and not reap corruption.
Galatians 6:7-8 plainly says exactly the opposite.
The part I'm questioning is the leap from "believers reap consequences for sin" to "every unconfessed sin immediately removes a believer from salvation."

And honestly, I don't know any serious Christian who would say, "Don't confess your sins."
Of course we should confess them.
Of course we should forsake them.
The question is whether 1 John 1:9 is describing the restoration of fellowship with God or teaching that Christ's atonement stops applying until each individual sin is specifically named.

If your view is correct, what happens to sins we forget, don't yet understand, or die before confessing?
Does our salvation depend on Christ's finished work or on our ability to maintain a perfectly updated list of every failure?

So no, I'm not arguing against confession.
I'm arguing that Galatians 6 and 1 John 1:9 do not, by themselves, prove that every unconfessed sin places a believer back under condemnation.
That conclusion still has to be demonstrated from Scripture.

You made some good points. Now in
regard to 1 John 1:9, notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) is in contrast to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

I've heard certain folks interpret verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin we have ever committed) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

 

[OMC]

You made some good points. Now in
regard to 1 John 1:9, notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) is in contrast to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

I've heard certain folks interpret verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin we have ever committed) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

John's contrast seems to be between acknowledging sin and denying sin, not between believers who remembered every individual sin and those who forgot one.
If that's the case, then "confess" means agreeing with God about our sinfulness rather than maintaining a perfect inventory of every failure.
After all, who could do that?
Sin includes not only the wrong we do, but also the good we fail to do (James 4:17).
The point of 1 John 1:8-10 appears to be that believers walk in honesty before God, not self-deception.
We confess because we recognize our need for His cleansing, while those who claim sinlessness deceive themselves.
That seems far more consistent with the flow of the passage than the idea that salvation depends on perfectly remembering and specifically naming every sin we've ever committed.

 

[ScooterJackson]

But if forgiveness is suspended until every individual sin is specifically confessed, what happens to sins we forget, misunderstand, or don't immediately recognize?

Why not just ask God to forgive you of all your sins? That'll cover all of them up to the point you prayed that prayer.
That's a really tired old argument that the false teachers use claiming we have to have a spreadsheet that itemizes each sin we have committed since getting born again and we are required to use 1 John 1:9 for each and every sin. That's not true.

Are we moving in and out of salvation throughout the day?

That depends on the person. How many times a day are they turning away from the Lord to go do sin stuff?
Anytime we sow to the flesh we reap corruption. God is not mocked. We reap what we sow.

The Lord wants us to come to Him forsaking and confessing our sin so He can cleanse us.
He cannot just cleanse us automatically since He created man in His Image where we reap what we sow just like He does.
We are responsible for our actions and God is the One that made it that way.

The issue is whether Christ's sacrifice was truly sufficient.

It was but only for those that humble themselves before Him turning away from the power of the devil unto the power of the Lord.
Salvation can only be found in Christ, not outside of Christ. Why not just abide in Christ and refuse to sin?

God has "forgiven you all trespasses" (Col. 2:13).

OK, back to that again. Can I go head then and live in sin since God has forgiven me of all sin
Can I ignore the rest of scripture an d stand on this one passage and go ahead and live in sin?

It sounds like your answer must be yes if you really believe what you are saying.
There's a lot of people that believe they can live in sin and still be saved and still go to Heaven.
This is why so many Christians went back to walking after the flesh after being saved.

All the fancy preachers tell them it's not possible to lose their salvation so they think they have "fire insurance" so they are all good to go back to living in sin and otherwise ignoring the Lord having no relationship with him. Entire churches are built upon this which is why the are social clubs and not New Testament churches.

It does not say every unconfessed sin cancels our salvation until we remember to mention it.

Notice the IF part in 1 John 1:9
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we don't, He won't. Unless someone wants to claim the Lord lied by putting 1 John 1:9 in His Word?

Remember to mention them??? If we sin we should be convicted immediately by the Holy Spirit Who is alerting us we just sinned and need to turn away from what we just did and confess it immediately so we can be back in right standing with the Lord.

Only those who are reprobate and have become sin friendly would not hear the conviction of the Holy Spirit if they sin.
Hebrews 3:13 warns that we can be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. and James 1:15 tells us that desire, when it conceives, gives birth to sin, which ultimately leads to death which is separation from the Lord.

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Read mark 4:13-20 where Jesus says when sin enters in it chokes the Word out of a person and they become unfruitful. This is what happens when a person turns away from the Lord to do sin, they become spiritually dead.

A born again person who has had the Word of God choked out of them and are now in a worse condition than they were before they got born again!

2 Peter 2:20 (Companion Scripture - Matthew 12:43-45)
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Matthew 12:43-45 (Companion Scripture - 2 Peter 2:20)
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

 

[OMC]

Why not just ask God to forgive you of all your sins? That'll cover all of them up to the point you prayed that prayer.
That's a really tired old argument that the false teachers use claiming we have to have a spreadsheet that itemizes each sin we have committed since getting born again and we are required to use 1 John 1:9 for each and every sin. That's not true.



That depends on the person. How many times a day are they turning away from the Lord to go do sin stuff?
Anytime we sow to the flesh we reap corruption. God is not mocked. We reap what we sow.

The Lord wants us to come to Him forsaking and confessing our sin so He can cleanse us.
He cannot just cleanse us automatically since He created man in His Image where we reap what we sow just like He does.
We are responsible for our actions and God is the One that made it that way.



It was but only for those that humble themselves before Him turning away from the power of the devil unto the power of the Lord.
Salvation can only be found in Christ, not outside of Christ. Why not just abide in Christ and refuse to sin?



OK, back to that again. Can I go head then and live in sin since God has forgiven me of all sin
Can I ignore the rest of scripture an d stand on this one passage and go ahead and live in sin?

It sounds like your answer must be yes if you really believe what you are saying.
There's a lot of people that believe they can live in sin and still be saved and still go to Heaven.
This is why so many Christians went back to walking after the flesh after being saved.

All the fancy preachers tell them it's not possible to lose their salvation so they think they have "fire insurance" so they are all good to go back to living in sin and otherwise ignoring the Lord having no relationship with him. Entire churches are built upon this which is why the are social clubs and not New Testament churches.



Notice the IF part in 1 John 1:9
1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we don't, He won't. Unless someone wants to claim the Lord lied by putting 1 John 1:9 in His Word?

Remember to mention them??? If we sin we should be convicted immediately by the Holy Spirit Who is alerting us we just sinned and need to turn away from what we just did and confess it immediately so we can be back in right standing with the Lord.

Only those who are reprobate and have become sin friendly would not hear the conviction of the Holy Spirit if they sin.
Hebrews 3:13 warns that we can be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. and James 1:15 tells us that desire, when it conceives, gives birth to sin, which ultimately leads to death which is separation from the Lord.

Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Read mark 4:13-20 where Jesus says when sin enters in it chokes the Word out of a person and they become unfruitful. This is what happens when a person turns away from the Lord to do sin, they become spiritually dead.

A born again person who has had the Word of God choked out of them and are now in a worse condition than they were before they got born again!

2 Peter 2:20 (Companion Scripture - Matthew 12:43-45)
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Matthew 12:43-45 (Companion Scripture - 2 Peter 2:20)
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that Christians should ignore sin, avoid confession, or continue living after the flesh.
Scripture clearly calls us to repent, confess sin, and walk in the light.

Where I think we differ is this: reaping what we sow and losing salvation every time we sin are not the same thing.
Galatians 6:7 teaches consequences.
It does not say a believer moves in and out of salvation throughout the day.

Regarding 1 John 1:9, the context is important.
John contrasts confessing our sins with claiming that we have no sin (v.8) or have not sinned (v.10).
The emphasis is on honesty before God, not maintaining a perfect inventory of every sin ever committed.

And no, Colossians 2:13 does not teach that we can go live in sin.
Paul answers that argument himself: "Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid." (Rom. 6:1-2)
The choice is not between sinning freely and losing salvation every time we fail.
Scripture presents a different picture: believers who sin should confess it, forsake it, and continue abiding in Christ, while trusting in the sufficiency of His once-for-all sacrifice (Heb. 10:10).
Both repentance and Christ's finished work must be maintained together.

 

[carbunculus]

The warning was a general warning and was not directed specifically at you.

It's all good, I just realised I posted to the wrong poster initially and made a couple of miss typos, which may have confused a few people, you too I imagine

I've heard it said that only a few people will make it to heaven, but I'm pretty certain when the Bible says the road is narrow and few find it, it really doesn't mean you can't be found or you won't be found , or that only a few will go to heaven,

I'm sure it means few find it, as in none without God,

Scooter could do with fasting I think maybe prayer long and hard to, and fast from hating God's children. And maybe fast from all the anti reformed and anti calvinist bashers out there to, there obviously doing him no Good.

It's a shame as I have noticed hes apprehensive at times