Obedience & righteousness - extreme grace version

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Say what you mean and mean what you say.

I think it's pretty stupid to continue to argue with so many people when you cannot even back up some simple statements you have made. Refusing to back them up is even more absurd. (Reference here)

OK, I'm going to give you one more chance by going the extra mile with you, and relent in order to put your passive-aggressive accusation to rest.

"In chapter 1 John was addressing some unsaved dudes who thought they were sinless."​

1 John 1:9 – Something Old, Something New – Escape to Reality

 

[blessedjohn80]

I have responded to thsi many times, but if I must.

There is only one truth, that which comes from God, and it is absolute and eternal.

When people mistakenly deal with temporal "truths", that in itself is an oxymoron, what they really should say is facts, premises, theories, hypothesees and the like, for anything that deals with this creation allied to corruption is bound for the fire.

The only truth is absolute, now, what about my post on what Jesus taught the Jews and how it applies to all since He came to save His own people first?

For me, smilies are like the laugh and wink saying I am only kidding mentioned in Proverbs.

Thanks for the answer JaumeJ.

"what about my post on what Jesus taught the Jews and how it applies to all since He came to save His own people first?" Regarding Jesus' teachings, they are all true.

Peace

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OK, I'm going to give you one more chance by going the extra mile with you, and relent in order to put your passive-aggressive accusation to rest.

"In chapter 1 John was addressing some unsaved dudes who thought they were sinless."​

1 John 1:9 – Something Old, Something New – Escape to Reality

what does this have to do with Paul Ellis and what he believes?

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a discussion of what grace believers say about confession of sins..we love to confess everything to our Father.

[video=youtube;qfxAbgx5ssM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfxAbgx5ssM[/video]

 

[Budman]

The rich young ruler coming to Jesus

He came to Jesus because he knew there was more to life than just following the law. He wanted an answer to this spiritual and moral question. And the answer Jesus gave was simple. Stop your dependence on wealth, trust God, and come follow me, the Messiah, God on earth and you will be perfect. It was the spiritual relationship this young man was missing which makes all the difference.

It wasn't that he was dependent on wealth. He simply loved money more than he loved God.

 

[Grandpa]

I've never said that people acknowledging fault and seeking cleansing are not doing the will of GOD. In fact, I have specifically said numerous times that that is doing the will of GOD.

The publican repented and acknowledged his sin(fullness). False-grace believers do not believe confession of sin and seeking GOD's forgiveness is necessary because they believe that they are already forgiven. Anyone of them who disputes this is either ignorant or a liar. So in effect, they themselves are like the pharisee who do not see their wretched condition before GOD, and the need to repent and be cleansed by his forgiveness.

Luke 11:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

If you believe you have received something would you keep asking for that same thing?

No. You wouldn't.

You would only ask for the same thing over and over if you didn't believe you received it the first time.

After you receive don't you just thank? That's what I do. Maybe I am weird?

 

[JaumeJ]

Once more I will ask, in other words this time.

If Jesus Christ came to save all mankind starting with His own people, and I believe He did, why are there so many who say Jesus was talking only to the Jews and not to Gentiles when He taught them the Gospel?

Is there not only one Gospel?

Are we not made one flock with the original Flock? That is, by the Good Shapherd of course.

The Sermon on the Mount as it has come to be called, has been divided up by some as to apply only to the Jews. I find this troubling, perplexing and very sad, for I believe what Jesus Christ teaches, one Gospel for all mankind, beginning with the Jews.

 

[Budman]

OK, I'm going to give you one more chance by going the extra mile with you, and relent in order to put your passive-aggressive accusation to rest.

You play the martyr so well....

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You may think I am being pendantic, but this relates to one word, self-perception.
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Now for some this is not black and white enough, but then walking with the Lord is more complex, as these threads demonstrate.

But do you believe that there is only one truth that exists entirely independent of man's perceptions?

 

[Budman]

Once more I will ask, in other words this time.

If Jesus Christ came to save all mankind starting with His own people, and I believe He did, why are there so many who say Jesus was talking only to the Jews and not to Gentiles when He taught them the Gospel?

Is there not only one Gospel?

Are we not made one flock with the original Flock? That is, by the Good Shapherd of course.

The Sermon on the Mount as it has come to be called, has been divided up by some as to apply only to the Jews. I find this troubling, perplexing and very sad, for I believe what Jesus Christ teaches, one Gospel for all mankind, beginning with the Jews.

To the Jew first....

The Jews, who were to be a nation of priests, were to spread the gospel to the gentiles.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Once more I will ask, in other words this time.

If Jesus Christ came to save all mankind starting with His own people, and I believe He did, why are there so many who say Jesus was talking only to the Jews and not to Gentiles when He taught them the Gospel?

Is there not only one Gospel?

Are we not made one flock with the original Flock? That is, by the Good Shapherd of course.

The Sermon on the Mount as it has come to be called, has been divided up by some as to apply only to the Jews. I find this troubling, perplexing and very sad, for I believe what Jesus Christ teaches, one Gospel for all mankind, beginning with the Jews.

who?

Who teaches dual gospels?

Did jesus teach the jews Grace or work?

1 John 6 -
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”


[SUP]35 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. [SUP]36 [/SUP]But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. [SUP]37 [/SUP]All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. [SUP]39 [/SUP]This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Is this to the jew only, Or to all men (and women)

 

[Grace777x70]

Guys he is just taking us for another merry-go-round ride...he just believes different things then what grace believers do....he has another gospel then the grace of Christ alone for salvation......don't take his "baiting".....it only leads to trouble...he is not going to believe the gospel until the Holy Spirit reveals it to him...hopefully his heart will be open to receive it.

 

[JaumeJ]

Read my post again. If yo want to convict anyone, find them yourself..........I for one do not.

who?

Who teaches dual gospels?

Did jesus teach the jews Grace or work?

1 John 6 -
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”


[SUP]35 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. [SUP]36 [/SUP]But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. [SUP]37 [/SUP]All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. [SUP]39 [/SUP]This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Is this to the jew only, Or to all men (and women)

 

[FreeNChrist]

Once more I will ask, in other words this time.

If Jesus Christ came to save all mankind starting with His own people, and I believe He did, why are there so many who say Jesus was talking only to the Jews and not to Gentiles when He taught them the Gospel?

Is there not only one Gospel?

Are we not made one flock with the original Flock? That is, by the Good Shapherd of course.

The Sermon on the Mount as it has come to be called, has been divided up by some as to apply only to the Jews. I find this troubling, perplexing and very sad, for I believe what Jesus Christ teaches, one Gospel for all mankind, beginning with the Jews.

There is only one Gospel. Now how about you answer the questions asked of you?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

OK, I'm going to give you one more chance by going the extra mile with you, and relent in order to put your passive-aggressive accusation to rest.

"In chapter 1 John was addressing some unsaved dudes who thought they were sinless."​

1 John 1:9 – Something Old, Something New – Escape to Reality

Wow man. This is communication; sharing links to what you're talking about! Good job!

Thanks for going the EXTRA MILE to clarify why you call escapetoreality.org a FALSE-GRACE website.

Except... I now have a link to a page... a page full of links...

...and I have no idea what it is that you disagree with in this article that makes you label this website FALSE GRACE.


But anyway, I can see that this is an issue that divides the church and division should not be so.

Why, then, are we divided? Are these distinctions WE are drawing severe enough distinctions to make it necessary to cause people to call others "hypocrites" or "slanderers"? Is this division so great that we must "slander" others or tell them they preach a "false gospel"?



Luke 11:23
"Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Read my post again. If yo want to convict anyone, find them yourself..........I for one do not.

Why do you always act this way? You are insincere, and your little jabs are quite childish!

I did read your post. Once again you claimed people were saying the things Jesus said was only given to the Jew. So I asked you who. (since you are so full of false accusation against others I want you to back your accusations by addressing who it is your talking about and prove it)

then added another question, If you think that everything jesus said was given to gentiles and jews, Why do you think John 6 was only given to jews? (You must considering what you believe) to ask, WHy do you judge others, when you must do that very thing, or ignore what Jesus said altogether

 

[JaumeJ]

Who is "he," and why are you judging a person as a non-believer in the Word of God?

Guys he is just taking us for another merry-go-round ride...he just believes different things then what grace believers do....he has another gospel then the grace of Christ alone for salvation......don't take his "baiting".....it only leads to trouble...he is not going to believe the gospel until the Holy Spirit reveals it to him...hopefully his heart will be open to receive it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wow man. This is communication; sharing links to what you're talking about! Good job!

Thanks for going the EXTRA MILE to clarify why you call escapetoreality.org a FALSE-GRACE website.

Except... I now have a link to a page... a page full of links...

...and I have no idea what it is that you disagree with in this article that makes you label this website FALSE GRACE.


But anyway, I can see that this is an issue that divides the church and division should not be so.

Why, then, are we divided? Are these distinctions WE are drawing severe enough distinctions to make it necessary to cause people to call others "hypocrites" or "slanderers"? Is this division so great that we must "slander" others or tell them they preach a "false gospel"?



Luke 11:23
"Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters."

when he first came here along time ago, and started calling people gnostic, I asked him if he ever met a gnostic person. He must have for him to know what gnostics truly believed,

He gave me this long winded response about how some dude who lived centuries ago told us all about them, and we should take his word as gospel truth.

HRFTD has no desire to discuss beliefs, Only what other people tell him other people believe.

If you ask him, Go here, go there, these men will tell you.. even if they had been dead for centuries, He most hold them equal to scripture.

 

[JaumeJ]

OK, look at my post again, and maybe you will figure out that I believe there is one Gosple of Jesus Christ for all mankind, and if you want someone who mentions another, how about when you mentione "my gospel" to me, when I was putting forth the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

You certainly have a way with words young man.

who?

Who teaches dual gospels?

Did jesus teach the jews Grace or work?

1 John 6 -
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”


[SUP]35 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. [SUP]36 [/SUP]But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. [SUP]37 [/SUP]All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. [SUP]38 [/SUP]For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. [SUP]39 [/SUP]This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Is this to the jew only, Or to all men (and women)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If you believe you have received something would you keep asking for that same thing?
No. You wouldn't.
You would only ask for the same thing over and over if you didn't believe you received it the first time.
After you receive don't you just thank? That's what I do. Maybe I am weird?

The publican asked for mercy for the kind of life he was living. Theoretically, he didn't stop living or cease to be a tax collector after he prayed that prayer. It was a continual stain on his conscience that required repeated cleansing.

See this is the problem with false-grace: He received forgiveness once so he never needs to seek forgiveness again. The problem is, he kept defiling his conscience by the way he lived. False-grace believers deal with this conundrum by ignoring the conscience. That's the only way their skewed theology "works".