Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

[Budman]

And it is funny..................you don't have one verse that says "Jesus Christ did not pay any kind of sin debt in full."

1 John 2:2 says He did.

Great minds think alike!

 

[ladylynn]

The issue is not growing in grace and knowledge and thus becoming more acquainted with Christ. The issue in this discussion is people advocating that one engage in wickedness and be saved at the same time.

Most of these people believe in a purely positional/abstract salvation which is disconnected from any transformation of the heart. Thus the person whom is purportedly saved saved can still yield to the service of evil. Evil hearts produce evil fruit, a heart of love does not produce evil fruit.



That is not the deception. Please read my words with more care.

The deception is the notion of a provisional salvation entered into by "accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour" whereby the ongoing service of evil is covered. That is the deception, not growth.


The "falls" in question here are acts of rebellion to God. I am not speaking of sins of ignorance, making a misjudgment or misguided decision. I am speaking of sins of rebellion only.

The new born babes in Christ that Peter refers to also love one another out of a pure heart having had their sould purified through obedience to the truth through the Spirit. That completely negates any ongoing service of evil in the Christian walk. We are slaves to whom we obey either sin unto death or obedience unto righteousness.


All manner of evil is being engaged in in the professing church. There are adulteries, fornications, infanticide, thefts, lying etc. Many people engage in these evils thinking that their sins have been "paid for" and thus no condemnation can be wrought due to their actions. They have bought into a false religion and another Jesus.

The Jesus of the Bible preached HEAR AND DO and stated that those whom HEAR AND DO NOT but instead work iniquity, that they will be rejected. Jesus taught that.



When people say things like...




...that is clearly advocating a continuance of sin. If the sin has stopped then there is no "when we sin" is there?

The abomination is presenting grace as a cloak for ongoing sin. It isn't. Grace is the power of God whereby we can live unto righteousness and this grace is freely given. Yet we have to abide in that grace and walk in accordance with what they grace teaches. Those who promote that you can engage in known evil and be covered by the grace of God are very deceived.

Skinski7, there is so much in your response here but the most important issue to me right now to focus on is grace and how we can't earn it or be good enough., well behaved enough., abiding enough., walking in accordance with God's Word enough., to EVER deserve it. Grace by its very definition is undeserved...unmerited favor. Totally undeserved un earned and unmerited. There is nothing good in us that gives us any standing to be deserving of grace. It's the too good to be true good news to us. Gospel means waaay over the top good news that at the time it was first called "gospel" they didn't have a definition for it.

And for the believer since we are saved by grace the Bible tells us we must also walk in the free grace we are given. Jesus died for us to have this grace. Why not learn about it and lean on it gladly. Yes, it sounds way too good to be true but Jesus paid for us to have these things we don't deserve. The whole point is we don't get this because we deserve it.

Jesus blood is the covering or cloak you mentioned but even better it washed us for when we do sin we have an Advocate with the Father who EVER maketh intercession for us... wow. If we were not going to be learning and falling as we learn, Jesus would not have to be our Great High Priest Who always and forever makes intercession for us.
To promote the gospel of grace and truth in Christ is our message to the world and to each other skinski7. To be put in remembrance of the gospel each day because the enemy will always be trying to blot it out.

 

[Galatians2-20]

Scripture is clear that repentance is God's remedy for past sin. Abiding in Christ is His remedy for present and future sin. However, when present sin becames past sin, repentance is in order.

When I speak of repentance, I am refering to the Hebrew definition (shub, pronounced SHOOV) which has dual meaning, both indicating a literal change in direction: #1. to turn away from (sin) by #2. turning toward (God).

 

[BenFTW]

By the way Skinski7, here is the word and verse you're looking for.

[h=1]1 John 4:10King James Version (KJV)[/h]10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Propitiation is the word you need to look into.

 

[BenFTW]

Scripture is clear that repentance is God's remedy for past sin. Abiding in Christ is His remedy for present and future sin. However, when present sin becames past sin, repentance is in order.

When I speak of repentance, I am refering to the Hebrew definition (shub, pronounced SHOOV) which has dual meaning, both indicating a literal change in direction: #1. to turn away from (sin) by #2. turning toward (God).

I notice you keep referring to hyper grace (not in what I am quoting). May I ask, what is it that you disagree with in regards to "hyper grace?" Where do you disagree with proponents of hyper grace? Do you not see that it doesn't give a license to sin but frees people from sin's dominion? Have you, yourself, not witnessed the transforming power of grace in the lives of people?

 

[Galatians2-20]

A wise man once said that the definition of heresy is when a person takes a half truth and attempts to make it the whole truth. I see that a lot online and on Christian television.

One of the most popular half truths out there being that Jesus died & rose again for the forgiveness of sin. Yes, Jesus did indeed die for the forgiveness of sins. However, that's not all Jesus did. Why was forgiveness of sins necessary? To restore right fellowship between God & man in the form of the indwellling Holy Spirit.

Another popular "half truth" I see a lot in this forum is that, because Jesus died for the forgiveness of all sin, some interpret that to mean the past, present, and future sin of a single believer. However, for centuries that verse has been interpreted by many bible scholars to mean that when Jesus died for the forgiveness of "all sin" it is referring to the sins of all mankind; past, present, & future generations.

I want those who believe that Jesus died for the past, present, and future sin of a single believer to explain something for me. If Jesus died for past, present, & future sins of a single believer then why does the Bible teach throughout that committing sin after salvation should be avoided? Why are believers instructed to walk in righteousness? Why are instructed not the grieve the Holy Spirit by unrighteous living? And, finally, why does the the Apostle Paul state that "he who walks (abide) in Spirit will not indulge the flesh?"

If present & future sins of the believer have already been forgiven then why did God deem it necessary to provide the means through abiding in the Spirit of Christ to avoid commiting present and future sin?

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Great truth... but it makes me so sad

I'm happy that she found the verse she was looking for..

 

[WoundedWarrior]

skinski preaches a version of something called pelagianism . I encourage everyone debating( correcting ) him to google it up. Sparkman pointed this out a while back.

Thanks gb9

That explains a lot. Thank you.

Pelagianism is the belief that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special Divine aid. Pelagius taught that the human will, as created with its abilities by God, was sufficient to live a sinless life, although he believed that God's grace assisted every good work. Pelagianism has come to be identified with the view, (whether Pelagius agreed or not), that human beings can earn salvation by their own efforts. This theological theory is named after the British monk Pelagius (354–420 or 440), although he denied, at least at some point in his life, many of the doctrines associated with his name.

from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelagianism

Thanks Ben

 

[WoundedWarrior]

I want those who believe that Jesus died for the past, present, and future sin of a single believer to explain something for me. If Jesus died for past, present, & future sins of a single believer then why does the Bible teach throughout that committing sin after salvation should be avoided?

Thanks for your participation in this discussion, Gal220.

Here's what popped into my head, when I found your question:

1 COR 9:24 New International Version


Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize.


And here are some words, more precise than my own would be, which explain what I understand the verse to mean:

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

9:24-27 The apostle compares himself to the racers and combatants in the Isthmian games, well known by the Corinthians. But in the Christian race all may run so as to obtain. There is the greatest encouragement, therefore, to persevere with all our strength, in this course. Those who ran in these games were kept to a spare diet. They used themselves to hardships. They practised the exercises. And those who pursue the interests of their souls, must combat hard with fleshly lusts. The body must not be suffered to rule. The apostle presses this advice on the Corinthians. He sets before himself and them the danger of yielding to fleshly desires, pampering the body, and its lusts and appetites. Holy fear of himself was needed to keep an apostle faithful: how much more is it needful for our preservation! Let us learn from hence humility and caution, and to watch against dangers which surround us while in the body.

Why are believers instructed to walk in righteousness? Why are instructed not the grieve the Holy Spirit by unrighteous living?

So, to answer your question(s), "those who pursue interests of their souls, must combat hard with fleshy lusts."

As for this question: "And, finally, why does the the Apostle Paul state that 'he who walks (abide) in Spirit will not indulge the flesh?'" (Gal 5:16) My answer to your question also agrees with the same commentary source quoted previously:

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

5:16-26 If it be our care to act under the guidance and power of the blessed Spirit, though we may not be freed from the stirrings and oppositions of the corrupt nature which remains in us, it shall not have dominion over us. Believers are engaged in a conflict, in which they earnestly desire that grace may obtain full and speedy victory. And those who desire thus to give themselves up to be led by the Holy Spirit, are not under the law as a covenant of works, nor exposed to its awful curse. Their hatred of sin, and desires after holiness, show that they have a part in the salvation of the gospel. The works of the flesh are many and manifest. And these sins will shut men out of heaven. Yet what numbers, calling themselves Christians, live in these, and say they hope for heaven! The fruits of the Spirit, or of the renewed nature, which we are to do, are named. And as the apostle had chiefly named works of the flesh, not only hurtful to men themselves, but tending to make them so to one another, so here he chiefly notices the fruits of the Spirit, which tend to make Christians agreeable one to another, as well as to make them happy. The fruits of the Spirit plainly show, that such are led by the Spirit. By describing the works of the flesh and fruits of the Spirit, we are told what to avoid and oppose, and what we are to cherish and cultivate; and this is the sincere care and endeavour of all real Christians. Sin does not now reign in their mortal bodies, so that they obey it, Ro 6:12, for they seek to destroy it. Christ never will own those who yield themselves up to be the servants of sin. And it is not enough that we cease to do evil, but we must learn to do well. Our conversation will always be answerable to the principle which guides and governs us, Ro 8:5. We must set ourselves in earnest to mortify the deeds of the body, and to walk in newness of life. Not being desirous of vain-glory, or unduly wishing for the esteem and applause of men, not provoking or envying one another, but seeking to bring forth more abundantly those good fruits, which are, through Jesus Christ, to the praise and glory of God.

This author's words above are more than sufficient -- I could not do a better job of interpreting the above scripture.

If present & future sins of the believer have already been forgiven then why did God deem it necessary to provide the means through abiding in the Spirit of Christ to avoid commiting present and future sin?

Reading this question makes me think that I probably misunderstood your first question.

Ah well,

thanks for the evening study!

(But seriously if I did not misunderstand your first question, your final question was answered in my previous answers.)

 

[Gr8grace]

A wise man once said that the definition of heresy is when a person takes a half truth and attempts to make it the whole truth. I see that a lot online and on Christian television.

One of the most popular half truths out there being that Jesus died & rose again for the forgiveness of sin. Yes, Jesus did indeed die for the forgiveness of sins. However, that's not all Jesus did. Why was forgiveness of sins necessary? To restore right fellowship between God & man in the form of the indwellling Holy Spirit.

Another popular "half truth" I see a lot in this forum is that, because Jesus died for the forgiveness of all sin, some interpret that to mean the past, present, and future sin of a single believer. However, for centuries that verse has been interpreted by many bible scholars to mean that when Jesus died for the forgiveness of "all sin" it is referring to the sins of all mankind; past, present, & future generations.

I want those who believe that Jesus died for the past, present, and future sin of a single believer to explain something for me. If Jesus died for past, present, & future sins of a single believer then why does the Bible teach throughout that committing sin after salvation should be avoided? Why are believers instructed to walk in righteousness? Why are instructed not the grieve the Holy Spirit by unrighteous living? And, finally, why does the the Apostle Paul state that "he who walks (abide) in Spirit will not indulge the flesh?"

If present & future sins of the believer have already been forgiven then why did God deem it necessary to provide the means through abiding in the Spirit of Christ to avoid commiting present and future sin?

Jesus Christ paid the price for ALL sin, but He did not put a stop to ALL sin. We are still under the law of personal volition. We reap what we sow in our experiential sanctification.

Sinning(grieving the Spirit) takes us OUT of the christian way of life and we are no longer in the divine protocol or predesigned plan that God has for each believer.

Use booze for an example. If we drink beyond being "merry in heart", we are out of the Christian way of life and we may reap liver damage and divine discipline or the sin unto death. We won't be judged by the sin of drinking to much, Christ paid that price. But we may reap the physical consequences of drinking to much, and reap the consequences of being out of fellowship with the Lord in our stupor.

The judgement is gone, but we still reap what we sow in this life.

 

[shotgunner]

Jesus Christ paid the price for ALL sin, but He did not put a stop to ALL sin. We are still under the law of personal volition. We reap what we sow in our experiential sanctification.

Sinning(grieving the Spirit) takes us OUT of the christian way of life and we are no longer in the divine protocol or predesigned plan that God has for each believer.

Use booze for an example. If we drink beyond being "merry in heart", we are out of the Christian way of life and we may reap liver damage and divine discipline or the sin unto death. We won't be judged by the sin of drinking to much, Christ paid that price. But we may reap the physical consequences of drinking to much, and reap the consequences of being out of fellowship with the Lord in our stupor.

The judgement is gone, but we still reap what we sow in this life.

My sentiments as well. All sin leads to death of some sort, death of the body, death of a relationship, even possibly death of loved ones. Not because God is angry and will send death, but just because sin is the path to death. God has set before us life and death, blessings and cursing, but he strongly advises we choose life.

 

[shotgunner]

You might as well advocate full blown Gnosticism if you believe all that. Look at what you have written.

"That however does not mean that they will never fall to temptation. Nor does it mean that if they do, they are damned to Hell. It is only their flesh which sins because from the heart they desire to abstain from sin." is a pure Gnostic statement.

Now read this...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism


You blame sin on the flesh body and even go so far to say that one can be engaged in wickedness in the flesh whilst not sinning in the spirit.

Only the flesh which sins? The flesh is merely the vehicle we are housed in and we are to bring it into subjection to the Spirit of God.

If the flesh was a motor vehicle surely you would be advocating that a motor vehicle drives itself apart from the direction given by the driver. It is the same logical premise.

The Bible speaks of...

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Yet you contend the very opposite in that one does not have to mortify the deeds of the body in order to live.

John writes....

1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Yet here you are saying that one does not have to "walk as he walked" because it is only the "flesh that sins."

Thus you speak of a "desire" to abstain from sin and "they will" conquer sin. WHEN?

You have just enjoined salvation and rebellion together, thus under your belief system you can have a child molester actively engaged in the molesting of children and yet be saved, forgiven and destined for the kingdom. Can you not see the absurdity of what you believe?

The Bible contends for purity, holiness, righteousness, patiently enduring in doing good. Do you contend for that? No you don't. You contend for being able to sin and not surely die and blame sin on the flesh body just like a Gnostic.

You say
You blame sin on the flesh body and even go so far to say that one can be engaged in wickedness in the flesh whilst not sinning in the spirit.

Only the flesh which sins? The flesh is merely the vehicle we are housed in and we are to bring it into subjection to the Spirit of God.

If the flesh was a motor vehicle surely you would be advocating that a motor vehicle drives itself apart from the direction given by the driver. It is the same logical premise.

Paul seems to agree with me.
Romans 7:16-20King James Version (KJV)[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Romans 7:25King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[vic1980]

I think you have missed what "walking in the light" is. You seem to equate it as "rule keeping".

What IS "the light?" It is Jesus. What is "walking?" It is living your life.

They are talking about living "in Christ", not checking off a list of rules to follow.

In other words (I know you hate that, but Jesus explained Scripture that way all the time.) it is a heart matter, not a regimented lifestyle.

Titus 2

Duties of the Older and Younger



11For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,12instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age,13looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,14who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.15These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

this is why the Apostle Paul taught renewing of your mind, Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

 

[mailmandan]

Okay, but no one here is saying they do not sin, nor stating that they have no sin. They are actually stating they do have sin, however such sin is washed in the blood of Christ. They are saying if we are walking in the light then the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin. They are coming in agreement with the Word of God.

There are certain people here (on Christian Chat) who promote sinless perfection. There are also certain people here who interpret 1 John 1:9 to mean that every single time we sin we must confess each sin to remain cleansed. The problem with that interpretation is, what if we forget one? Certain people don't read verse 9 in contrast to verse 8 and 10. In regards to walking in the light (1 John 1:7) we need to read both verse 6 and 7 together. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Walking in darkness is descriptive of lost unbelievers. Walking in the light is descriptive of saved believers. Only saved believers are in the light. Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. 2 Corinthians 6:14 - Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? Ephesians 5:8 - For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light. Lost unbelievers walk in darkness, not in the light. Genuine saved believers walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other.

Compare "do not practice the truth" in 1 John 1:6 with "does not practice righteousness" in 1 John 3:10. John clearly states that whoever "does not practice righteousness is not of God" in 1 John 3:10.

Compare 1 John 2:9 - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now with 1 John 3:10 - Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. Also compare "in darkness" in 1 John 2:9 with "turn them from darkness to light" in Acts 26:18.

Now read 1 John 2:11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. Descriptive of a child of the devil.

How is it not clear that John is not speaking towards believers but addressing non-believers (though believers be in the audience)? He is proclaiming to someone outside of the fellowship, he is inviting them into that fellowship. It couldn't be any clearer, without even looking into the historical aspect of it all (in regards to Gnosticism).

1 John 1:3King James Version (KJV)

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Although John is writing to believers, unbelievers are certainly being addressed and their behavior is being described in his letters.

 

[ladylynn]

Just an added thought., So many portions of the Bible are speaking to people who are not saved giving instruction on how to 'be' saved.... If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead.,thou shalt be saved.... While the Bible is for the believer it is also for the unbeliever on how to become a child of God. It contrasts what we are and what we need to be.

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In 1 John 1:9 "When you compare 1 John with the greetings found in 2 John and 3 John, you can see that John greets believers directly in the other two letters. In 2 John, he writes "....To the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth...Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you from God.." and in 3 John, he writes, "...To the beloved Gaius, whome I love in truth; Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in all things and be in health, just as your soul prospers."
In stark contrast, there are no greetings to believers in 1 John 1. Why is that" It is because John was not writing to believers in that chapter. He was addressing the Gnostics who had infiltrated the early church. Gnostics are heretics who do not believe in the existence of sin. That is why John wrote;

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10

John used the editorial "we" in his writing, but we know that this does not mean that he did not believe in the existence of sin. This passage was clearly written to the unbelieving Gnostics to encourage them to stop their denial of sin, acknowledge the truth that sin exists and acknowledge that they have sinned. It was written to bring them to the realization that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

He was preaching the gospel to the Gnostics and telling them that if they confessed their sins, God would be faithful and just to forgive them their sins and cleanse them from all unrighteousness. That is why at the beginning of 1 John, John said..
"that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ."
John was clearly preaching to non-believers (in this case the Gnostics) about Jesus and His finished work, and inviting them to fellowship in Christ with the other believers in the early church.

taken from the book - Unmerited Favor.
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While I realize many good believers do not agree with this interpretation., I also realize many good believers do. Just like with any portion of scripture I have to make that determination based on my own relationship with God and what the HolySpirit teaches. Just as I do with the matters of speaking in tongues and healing and whether the gifts are still for today or if they have ceased as some believe.

This is not a salvation issue but it does effect how the Bible is rightly divided for me when I compare scripture with scripture in understanding communion and the gift of righteousness being something I cannot earn but something that has to be received. How being now a child of the light. We are not of the night but of the day now as children of God. We are children of the day. We do not go back and forth as being children of the day and then step over and become children of the night. We are one or the other. Our identity is solidly in Christ.

 

[Mec99]

Revelation 20:11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

We are Judged by one thing only and that is is our name written in the Book of Life. Those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior do not have their name written in the Book of Life.

I do not see anything here that says were are judged by our sins. I see the non believers being judged for their works, but i do not see anyone being judged for their sins.

There is only one thing we are judged for and that is by the Book of Life and is our name written in the Book.

 

[Willie-T]

Revelation 20:11-15
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

We are Judged by one thing only and that is is our name written in the Book of Life. Those who do not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior do not have their name written in the Book of Life.

I do not see anything here that says were are judged by our sins. I see the non believers being judged for their works, but i do not see anyone being judged for their sins.

There is only one thing we are judged for and that is by the Book of Life and is our name written in the Book.

What do you suppose "THE BOOKS" (plural) are that we are also judged by?

 

[Budman]

What do you suppose "THE BOOKS" (plural) are that we are also judged by?

Amen. While our salvation is indeed secure, our works as Christians will be judged in regard to receiving rewards - or lack thereof.

 

[BenFTW]

A wise man once said that the definition of heresy is when a person takes a half truth and attempts to make it the whole truth. I see that a lot online and on Christian television.

One of the most popular half truths out there being that Jesus died & rose again for the forgiveness of sin. Yes, Jesus did indeed die for the forgiveness of sins. However, that's not all Jesus did. Why was forgiveness of sins necessary? To restore right fellowship between God & man in the form of the indwellling Holy Spirit.

Another popular "half truth" I see a lot in this forum is that, because Jesus died for the forgiveness of all sin, some interpret that to mean the past, present, and future sin of a single believer. However, for centuries that verse has been interpreted by many bible scholars to mean that when Jesus died for the forgiveness of "all sin" it is referring to the sins of all mankind; past, present, & future generations.

I want those who believe that Jesus died for the past, present, and future sin of a single believer to explain something for me. If Jesus died for past, present, & future sins of a single believer then why does the Bible teach throughout that committing sin after salvation should be avoided? Why are believers instructed to walk in righteousness? Why are instructed not the grieve the Holy Spirit by unrighteous living? And, finally, why does the the Apostle Paul state that "he who walks (abide) in Spirit will not indulge the flesh?"

If present & future sins of the believer have already been forgiven then why did God deem it necessary to provide the means through abiding in the Spirit of Christ to avoid commiting present and future sin?

I haven't mustered up the energy to reply to you fully but I don't see how those questions put hyper grace theology into question. As I was chatting with a friend, I was explaining to them that, for example, warnings to not grieve the Holy Spirit in no shape or way work against grace. The warning, if we may call it that, is not said in the form of offending a Holy God, but rather, that He hurts for you.

Don't grieve Him, he is your friend. Only a person who loves you can be grieved by your actions, as a parent grieves. The fact that we grieve Him by our actions is a deterrent in and of itself, as we care for His opinion. To grieve Him doesn't go contrary to hyper grace, as there is no eternal consequence to the grievance. The grievance is over the fact that sin has natural consequences of which God would rather have you victorious.

That addresses one of the four or five questions you posted. The other ones also can be answered in the form of exhortation, as you clearly said that we should do this and shouldn't do that. Its an awakening to who you are in Christ. Don't walk after the flesh but after the Spirit. Why? Because, you are dead to sin and alive unto God. Wake up to who you are in Jesus. Awake to righteousness and sin not.

You see, these things arent said as if sin shall condemn you to Hell, because as you know, there is therefore no condemnation in Jesus Christ. They are said in that your actions are not aligning with who you now are in Jesus Christ. That is, the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ. Its like "Be Holy as I am Holy", it doesn't say become. It says be. Its a matter of being, a matter of belief. Are you the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ? Walk it out. Does sin not have dominion over you? Is that what the Word says? Believe, walk it out. Live in the spiritual reality of the truth of God's word and let it affect the natural. All action is preceded by thought, therefore our beliefs affect our conduct.

Anyways, I hope that clears up some of the disconnect of grace and some of the perceived complications those questions would bring up.

 

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I don't even like the term hyper grace. I've just started hearing it and it's ridiculous and just an attack on grace itself. How can God give too much grace or how can too much grace be received. If there's any false teaching of grace, just call it false teaching but don't call it hyper grace. The Word says where sin did abound grace abounded much more, or you might even say hyper abounded.