To ask that is to doubt God - if God says that we are sealed until the day of redemption - then we are sealed until the day of redemption.
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I sometimes yield earnest money for a purchase of land. So you say my seal of earnest is not valid until paying in full?
In this world my earnest money is sacrificed if I change my mind, not finishing the purchase deal. I have not found any difference between that understanding and that Paul had. In this case men usually shake hands in pledge, but usually a cash pledge holds greater power, preventing someone else from usurping my deal. When I finish the requirements of the pledge, the pledge applies to it. IOW, if I put in trust 20% of an intended purchase, that 20% (minus admin fees) is applied to the purchase price.
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JesusistheChrist
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And what was the purchase price? Was it not the blood of Christ?
Hebrews chapter 10
[26] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
[28] He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
[29] Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
[30] For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
[31] It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Christians can "count the blood of the covenant wherewith they were sanctified as an unholy thing" by "sinning willfully AFTER HAVING RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH" and when such occurs "THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, BUT A CERTAIN FEARFUL LOOKING FOR OF JUDGMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION WHICH SHALL DEVOUR GOD'S ADVERSARIES". If you currently believe the heretical teaching of "once saved, always saved", then you do so to your own potential peril. The Bible teaches, from cover to cover, that believers can be lost. To willfully ignore the same is not wise and is potentially damnable.
Then none of us have a chance!!!! Because all of us sin and when we sin - it is no surprise to God . . . He remembers that we are just dust. [If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.] And when I sin - I do not have to make a sacrifice . . . Christ was THE sacrifice . . . when I sin God has made provision - NOT sacrifices because there remains no more sacrifice for sins BUT Jesus Christ is my advocate - he is the propitiation for our sins - so when I ask forgiveness - He is faithful and just to forgive me of my sins and cleanse me from all unrighteousness and my fellowship with the Father and the Son is restored. I may even have some consequences from my sin - but I am not an "adversary", an enemy of God because I sinned.
We are sealed with the Spirit through "birth" - That which is born of the Spirit is spirit. So yes Christ's blood was shed for me - It cost God dearly to sacrifice his Son for me . . . so why wouldn't he keep his word to me when he said I was sealed until the day of redemption? Do we strive not to sin? Do we not endeavor to walk by the Spirit? Does God not see our hearts and know if we are earnest in our endeavors? Thank God for his grace and mercy.
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ELECT
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What does this mean ?
[h=1]John 6:65-68King James Version (KJV)[/h]65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
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[h=1]Hebrews 10:38King James Version (KJV)[/h]38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Were they sealed ? If they draw back are they still sealed ?
Nope - the holy Spirit was not given until Jesus ascended.
John 7:38,39 He that believeth on me as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Before Acts 2 - no one was "born" of the Spirit. [except John the Baptist; "from his mother's womb"] God placed his Spirit upon certain believers in the Old Testament and upon the apostles in the Gospels.
Does this say if a man "draw back" - I remove my Spirit from him? If any man draw back - he is not saved?
I have children and I know at times I have "no pleasure" in what they do but regardless - they are my children, I love them, and although they may be "out of fellowship" with the family at times - they still belong in the family and as a parent, I lovingly guide them back through reprimands and chastisement, LOL.
Let me just add - there are NO contradictions in the word of God. If in Ephesians scripture tells us we are sealed with the holy Spirit when we believe, and then tells us that we are sealed until the day of redemption - we shouldn't look for scripture just to try to negate that section. If we are reading and a scripture seems to contradict - then it has to lie with our understanding or within the interpretation itself.
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I guess it means what it says . . . but let's look at verse 64 - But there are some of you that believe not. So which ones would it have been that went back and walked no more with him - those that believed not.
The group Christian is sealed and will be sealed until the day of redemption.
Yet what happens if an individual falls from this sealed group? Will that individual unconditionally remain sealed apart from the sealed group? No.
Therefore the group "Christian" will always be sealed but one can fall from that sealed group, falling back into an unsealed state.
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JesusistheChrist
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We all have a chance. The key here is to not "sin WILLFULLY". We've all been called "through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" (I Peter 1:2). IOW, when we truly do miss the mark, there is a "sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ" available to us for cleansing in relation to the same. However, if we choose a path of "willful sin", thereby "counting the blood of the covenant wherewith we were sanctified" or set apart "as an unholy thing", well, then THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACIFICE FOR SIN...like it or not.
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The mark of the beast, seal if you will is irrevocable so why would one think that the seal of the Holy Spirit is less??????
Jn 6:64 "But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him."
Two different groups are described in this verse;
1) they (plural) that believed not
2) who (singular) should betray Him
Judas is the who (singular) that did believe but later betrayed Christ. Judas was not of the plural group "they" that believed not nor is the plural "they" make up the singular "who" that betrayed Christ.
Two different groups are described in this verse;
1) they (plural) that believed not
2) who (singular) should betray Him
Judas is the who (singular) that did believe but later betrayed Christ. Judas was not of the plural group "they" that believed not nor is the plural "they" make up the singular "who" that betrayed Christ.
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Sophia
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Does God put a seal upon those who He knows will "believe not"? Does He make a guarantee that He already knows is a waste? Is our faith in Christ relegated to a mere cultural association or emotional statement? Or is it deeper than culture, and truer than emotion, running to the very core and as unchangeable as the God we serve, because it is God within us.
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Why do you assume the who is singular? Jesus was betrayed not only by Judas but also Peter, the entire justice system under both the roman and Hebrew....
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eternally-gratefull
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No, If your name is in the book of life, you DO NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. because if you did. your name COULD NOT BE BLOTTED OUT. It would be sealed in the book of life (that is why it is called ETERNAL life.
We had a long discussion on this question on another board. The short answer is yes, a seal is expected to be broken. The purpose of a seal is to let the recipient of something know if that something has been tampered with. When you buy a gallon of milk it has a seal on it. That seal is to let the buyer know that the milk has not been tampered with since it was packed. In Paul's day a seal typically was wax and was often on documents to show the recipient whether or not someone tampered with the document. If a king sent a letter to on of his subjects he would typically press his ring into the wax to seal it. If the the seal was intact the subject would know it was from the king and that it had not been opened or tampered with.
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What bible do you read? the pharisee bible?
The WAGE (reward) of sin is death, the GIFT (freely given) Of God is Eternal life.
In self?
No, IN JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD!
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Sophia
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They seem to think that the names are written in when people accept Christ, rather than when they are born. Is there a verse contrary to my understanding of the Book of Life being the life we are given at birth, sealed by belief or blotted out by unbelief, that on the Last Day when the books are opened, only those in Christ are left on it's pages, and are given inheritance.