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Hoffco
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Thank you Seabass, for standing against Atwood's PIG HEADEDNESS. He is sooooo one sided and blinded in his shallowness, he can not see the WHOLE truth of God's word. Love to all, Hoffco
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Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
The wages of sin is still death one cannot be sinning and be abiding in Christ
We use the word saved to include all who believe but it is only those who are doers of the word and abiding in him gets the promise.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [SUP]29 [/SUP]And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
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Hoffco
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WHOA ! Please read the above verse: only those who do the good works get the PROMISE of eternal life. HOW can you make such a bold faced lie, in the Para. above that verse.?? you really think that all believers are saved? AND/BUT only the obedient ones get the Promise.? Jesus told many who believed in Him, they were lost , not saved, of the Devil. JH.8:30-31,44
You did not understand one word I wrote...All believers have the power to go on to eternal life which is Christ in us,not all will, initially God cleaned us of past sins, gave us the Holy Spirit and now we have the responsibility to live like Christ did. Many will come before him in the last day thinking they have eternal life and they will be ashamed...Deliverance from sin is but a part of salvation abiding in him and being steadfast to the end is another....
So you believe , the demons believe also and tremble....What is good works without abiding in Him? God gave you power to become a son of God. Salvation is in Him . God saved us from a life of sin to a life of holiness until we die or until he comes, whichever comes first. We are responsible for keeping his temple holy....
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Ok then you just keep telling God what He cannot do. No longer any condemnation does not mean no longer any condemnation to you. If you could understand the parable of the sower you would know that some produce very little fruit and some produce a great abundance. The common thread between all of them is that they are saved and have eternal life.
Which resurrection will you have a part in? The resurrection unto eternal life or unto eternal condemnation? Gods mercy is that I do not receive for what I have done for I deserve condemnation. Gods grace is that instead I receive that which I could never attain to eternal life.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
What a disappointment, NewB.
You still persist in your heresy which condemns yourself, when eternal life is a free gift available to you.
Believers have eternal life the moment they believe.
1 John 5:13
These things have I written unto you, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, even unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God.
Dear NewB,
Give up this vain, disastrous course of insisting on self-righteousness. Plead spiritual bankruptcy: God be merciful to me a sinner.
Ask the Lord Jesus to save you and trust Him for that salvation.
you are making the word of God of no effect...do you see...done good and done evil ...if you think you deserve condemnation who am I to say different. But if I did say you deserve condemnation you would say I am judging you...
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Hoffco
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None of you ,on this page, have a correct view of how God saves a sinner; Nor of, what it means to believe in/on Jesus Christ. Salvation is impossible with men, and receiving of salvation is impossible with men, but all things are possible with God. Salvation is the miracle of God making a sinner alive by the implantation of a new nature, a new righteous nature, Sanctification; and the second part of God's sal. is: God's forgiving a sinner of his sin record,which is cancelled because of Jesus' merit, Justification. Eph. 2: 1-10 is very clear on the new birth, We sinners are born dead to God and to holy living, but God, rich in mercy, "made us alive", by Grace, grace is god's power and mercy to change our sinful nature,and make us new, to/for faith and good works. The only part of Eph. that speaks of Justification in 2:6, "And raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places with Christ Jesus." All the rest of Eph., has to do with the new birth and holy living, Sanctification. The book of Gal. has a better balance of Sanct., in chs. 1,2,5,6 and Justi., in chs.3,4. Please, read those two books in this light and discover how much sense they make. Try to learn the two parts of God's "so great salvation". Love to all, Hoffco
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Wow I cant beleive my thread is still going, this must be a record or agreements and disagreements............. lets agree to disagree. and lets see what happens when Jesus comes back, and then see who is right shall we?
Where sin did abound grace did much more abound. The blood of Christ on Calvary is full atonement for my sins. By grace God imputes to me the righteousness of Christ.
You say I must earn it when God says I cannot. I cannot buy from God Who is rich that which could not afford. God gives without expectation of payment. I can only receive and offer gratitude. God it too rich to accept payment and I am too poor to pay. This He does because He loves me and has mercy upon me. All glory to His name.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; [SUP]2 [/SUP]In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Paul is in hope of eternal life
well Atwood since you have it and it is not in Christ let us see you not die....you think that way because you don't know what it is to believe. If you have it there is no need to abide in him...you have your own personal ride to eternity . God sealed us with the HS that is the eternal life in us and we abide in him because of the HS...but daily you are grieving the HS because we are created unto good works but you have a problem with works. We should walk as he walked you have a problem with that. We have to abide in him you have a problem with that.....
So tell me when did you eat?
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
We are instructed to labor to enter His rest. People seem to believe we have nothng to do just because we are forgiven all our sin, as though sin has gone out of existence. Also, that rest is to come.
The rest promised the Children of Israel was to be in the Promised Land,.
We all know now that our Promised Land is the Kingdom to come. Our rest, our eternal rest i to come, with our Savior.
Heb 4:9
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
The rest promised the Children of Israel was to be in the Promised Land,.
We all know now that our Promised Land is the Kingdom to come. Our rest, our eternal rest i to come, with our Savior.
Heb 4:9
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Luk 21:19 You will save yourselves by continuing strong in your faith through all these things.
Luk 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luk 21:19 By your patient endurance you will purchase your lives. WNT
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Hoffco
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Thanks for this little bit of wisdom,Lk.21:19. 1 Peter is a commentary on this little verse. Just one verse, 1Pet. 4:19 "Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God, commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator." We are saved for good works. Good works commend our souls to God. Good works help in saving our souls. We will not be saved without repentance from evil, dead works, faith in Christ, and good works. God Hates evil doers. God loves good doers. Love to God, Hoffco
You don't know how happy I am to finally hear someone say that OSAS is a false doctrine. So many people on here have been attacking me for debunking it. Romans 3:4-God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
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Re: Once Saved, Saved!
There are no Scriptures that teach are names are written in the Book at birth, then blotted out when we first sinned.
It doesn't make any sense for a person to be born with their name already in the Book of Life, then be blotted out when they commit their first sin, only to have their names written AGAIN in the Book of LIFE when they get Saved? The whole premise for this topic of OSAS is debunked by the fact that Scriptures teaches a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life. Regardless at what point a person's name is written in the Book of Life it can be blotted out, therefore Once Saved Always Saved can't possibly be True.
Sure He can, He's God. The paper is not from the Trees of Earth.
i do not claim it can be lost, Scriptures teaches that it can be lost. As to it be regaining, that is up to God isn't it?
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There are no Scriptures that teach are names are written in the Book at birth, then blotted out when we first sinned.
It doesn't make any sense for a person to be born with their name already in the Book of Life, then be blotted out when they commit their first sin, only to have their names written AGAIN in the Book of LIFE when they get Saved? The whole premise for this topic of OSAS is debunked by the fact that Scriptures teaches a person can be blotted out of the Book of Life. Regardless at what point a person's name is written in the Book of Life it can be blotted out, therefore Once Saved Always Saved can't possibly be True.
Sure He can, He's God. The paper is not from the Trees of Earth.
i do not claim it can be lost, Scriptures teaches that it can be lost. As to it be regaining, that is up to God isn't it?
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Re: Once Saved, Saved!
Actually OSAS is consistent within the scriptures. This debate about once saved always saved is dependant on how one views salvation and how to gain eternal life.
In other words it boils down to the methodology of salvation.
I firmly believe in once saved always saved because the scripture says that "what began in the spirit cannot be COMPLETED BY FLESH"
What I condemn as heresy and non biblical is Once PRAYED always SAVED.
If your viewing salvation as just pray this prayer sincerely one time and your saved has no support in the bible whatsoever.
but the backdrop of anybody being saved has to ALL be of Gods grace.
because of Gods Grace one possesses the faith before one professes faith.
you have to possess faith which God has to give you before you can profess faith.
Actually OSAS is consistent within the scriptures. This debate about once saved always saved is dependant on how one views salvation and how to gain eternal life.
In other words it boils down to the methodology of salvation.
I firmly believe in once saved always saved because the scripture says that "what began in the spirit cannot be COMPLETED BY FLESH"
What I condemn as heresy and non biblical is Once PRAYED always SAVED.
If your viewing salvation as just pray this prayer sincerely one time and your saved has no support in the bible whatsoever.
but the backdrop of anybody being saved has to ALL be of Gods grace.
because of Gods Grace one possesses the faith before one professes faith.
you have to possess faith which God has to give you before you can profess faith.
Re: Once Saved, Saved!
Well, I have argued against OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) for many years and know the majority of the false proof texts used by OSAS proponents. Yes, to refresh myself, I did re-read Hebrews 5-6 (Like you asked). But both these chapters refute OSAS, though. First, Hebrews 5:9 essentially says that Jesus Christ becomes the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Second, Hebrews chapter 6 is not talking about backsliding into sin (Because we know a believer can backslide into sin and be renewed back to the faith in James 5:19-20). Hebrews 6 is talking about falling away from the faith by rejecting Jesus Christ after one has tasted of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, but what about Peter? Well, Peter denied Jesus, but Peter did not have the Holy Spirit yet. For Peter later received the Spirit after Jesus breathed upon him.
Also, it is important to point out that historically, certain Hebrew Christians in the book of Hebrews chapter 6 wanted to escape persecution and pretend they were Jews again and then come back to the faith in Jesus Christ when the trouble had passed. But the writer of Hebrews said you can't reject Jesus after having the Spirit. That would be open rebellion against God or apostasy. You can't repent of a thing like that. But the writer of Hebrews was confident that the Hebrew men he was writing to were not going to do something like this, though (See Hebrews 6:9).
Well, I have argued against OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) for many years and know the majority of the false proof texts used by OSAS proponents. Yes, to refresh myself, I did re-read Hebrews 5-6 (Like you asked). But both these chapters refute OSAS, though. First, Hebrews 5:9 essentially says that Jesus Christ becomes the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. Second, Hebrews chapter 6 is not talking about backsliding into sin (Because we know a believer can backslide into sin and be renewed back to the faith in James 5:19-20). Hebrews 6 is talking about falling away from the faith by rejecting Jesus Christ after one has tasted of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, but what about Peter? Well, Peter denied Jesus, but Peter did not have the Holy Spirit yet. For Peter later received the Spirit after Jesus breathed upon him.
Also, it is important to point out that historically, certain Hebrew Christians in the book of Hebrews chapter 6 wanted to escape persecution and pretend they were Jews again and then come back to the faith in Jesus Christ when the trouble had passed. But the writer of Hebrews said you can't reject Jesus after having the Spirit. That would be open rebellion against God or apostasy. You can't repent of a thing like that. But the writer of Hebrews was confident that the Hebrew men he was writing to were not going to do something like this, though (See Hebrews 6:9).