Once saved allways saved fooey !
It takes serious courage to arrive at a Christian site and call Jesus' word a lie. But there are many a one here that do that. God forgive you all.
Once saved allways saved fooey !
[SUP]Seems like you writing your own version of the scriptures.....Is this talking about rewards?
The change took place in the spirit and its GOD that did a work in us,and we have a desire to be obedient.We still have to live in this fallen world in these bodies that have not been glorified yet though.
Blessed are those that have been reborn in the spirit who enter in,those that are outside are not saved.
So what is your point?
[SUP]Seems like you writing your own version of the scriptures.....
7 [/SUP]My little children, let no man lead you astray: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not abideth in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Study verse 7 closely. What makes a man righteous?
You read the word and it is clear ...now you want me to answer a question already answered by the word ?......
Yes, I know, but would prefer to hear your answer. If that's okay.
"Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame."(1 Corinthians 15;34). Paul warns in 1 Corinthians about church members who do not have the knowledge of God.
Paul warns in 1 Corinthians 15 about those who have believed "in vain". See v.2: "unless you have believed in vain".
The Bible in Titus 1:16 declares that there are those in the churches who profess to know God but their lifestyle demonstrates something different: "They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work." (Titus 1:16|ESV)
Paul warns church members in Galatians 1:6 about following "another gospel". There is one "everlasting gospel" which does save but there are also many false gospel messages that will not save when the righteous wrath of God is revealed.
It takes serious courage to arrive at a Christian site and call Jesus' word a lie. But there are many a one here that do that. God forgive you all.
Hell is eternal separation from the love of God. God is love so His love is unconditional. This verse you stated is conclusive in guaranteeing eternal salvation. The "us" that Paul was referring to is us as born again believers in Jesus and the belief in the promise that He made. Even a believer will often stumble and fall. When that happens the believer ask for forgiveness in order to be reconciled to the Lord to walk in His light, and is not attempting to renew his salvation.
There are unbelievers who act good and those who act bad. Likewise there are believers who act bad and who act good. Unbelievers are not saved, no matter what they do. Believers are not unsaved, no matter what they do.