Being new to these forums, I'm just beginning to see a pattern emerging. This "OSAS" argument by a few proponents is emerging that the heart of the issue is subscribing to "easy believism." Those holding the view you mouth a confession of Jesus, go through the motions, get water baptized, whatever, then go on being that same helpless sinner, forever secure because Jesus' blood gave you a "get out of hell free" card, I would strongly suggest you Google "easy believism," if unwilling of careful study of the Bible over your life to give you the concept of the new man and God not being mocked, because you are in very big trouble!