One what "DATE" did YOUR Messiah die?

[Geometar]

U all have to read the Fathers of the Church to understand what is the purpose of Eucharist,why do we celebrate Easter and what meaning it have.Leave your own thoughts and read those who have founded Salvation.Let we all rise in communion with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Not so fast my friend.....

The morning hours began at 6:00 a.m. and ended at 12:00 noon. The morning sacrifice was offered “between the mornings,” or at 9:00 a.m., which is when Jesus was crucified. The evening sacrifice was offered “between the evenings,” (between the time the sun began to decline at 12:00 noon and the time it disappeared below the horizon at 6:00 p.m.) or at 3:00 p.m., which is when Jesus died.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

Question.......

Did the Jews of Jesus day begin their Sabbath at 3:00pm or at sunset (the going down of the sun)?

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[Eccl12and13]

And the final problem is that the scripture says repeatedly that the Jews were to eat unleavened bread 7 days. Nowhere does it say they were to eat unleavened bread 8 days.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

Exod.12
[18] In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

On the 14th day of the month, at even, unleavened bread was to be eaten, through AND including the one and twentieth day, at even.


(14th day at even) = 1 Day + (15th day at even) thru (21st day at even) = 7 Days

1 Day + 7 Days = (8) days!


Or this....


(14th day at even) = 1 day + (15th day at even) = 2 days + (16th day at even) = 3 days + (17th day at even) = 4 days + (18th day at even) = 5 days +(19th day at even) = 6 days + (20th day at even) = 7 days!

God's word tells us that unleavened bread was to be eaten from the 14th day at even until the 21st day.....AT "EVEN"

What happens to the "...one and twentieth day of the month at even...", if unleavened bread is only eaten for (7) days? What happened to the(21st day at even)???


From the 14th day through the 21st day adds up to (8) days!



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[Pilgrimer]

Question.......

Did the Jews of Jesus day begin their Sabbath at 3:00pm or at sunset (the going down of the sun)?

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The Jewish calendar day began at sunset and ended the following sunset.

The Jewish period of light called day began at 6:00 a.m. and ended at 6:00 p.m. (or sunset).

The Jewish morning began at 6:00 a.m. and ended at 12:00 noon.

The Jewish evening began at 12:00 p.m. and ended at 6:00 p.m. (or sunset).

But note also that the Jewish evening was divided in half. From 12:01 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. was called "erev katon," or "short or lesser evening," and the period from 3:00 p.m. to sunset was called "erev gadol," or "long or greater evening" because this portion of the day could last at least 3 hours (during the short days of winter) to as much as 6 hours (during the longer days of summer).

The Jews understood the phrase "between the evenings," when the Passover was to be slain, to mean between erev katon and erev gadol, or at 3:00 p.m.

However, in the days of Jesus, the number of lambs that were to be sacrificed was so prodigious that the sacrificing actually began at 1:30 p.m. and lasted until 5:00 p.m. on the afternoon of Nisan 14. This is the eye-witness testimony of Josephus, who was a priest in the Temple during the 1st century A.D.

Eccl, you can get this clear in your mind and heart once and for all if you do what you keep saying and look at what the Scripture says about exactly what the Passover ordinance said about when the lambs were to be slain, "between the evenings." In Exodus 29:38-41, God gives Israel instructions regarding the daily sacrifice.

Now this [is that] which thou shalt offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually. The [first] lamb thou shalt offer in the morning; and the [second] lamb thou shalt offer [between the evenings]: And with the one lamb a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of an hin of beaten oil; and the fourth part of an hin of wine [for] a drink offering. And the other lamb thou shalt offer at even, and shalt do thereto according to the meat offering of the morning, and according to the drink offering thereof, for a sweet savour, an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

Now if, as you and your sources suggest, the second lamb wasn't offered until after sunset, that would not be the second sacrifice of the day, but would in fact be the first sacrifice of the next day. In order for the lamb slain "between the evenings" to be the second offering of the day it had to be offered before sunset.

But really Eccl, what we are doing here is simply arguing what would be the correct manner of observance. But the real issue is, how did the Jews understand these things and observe the Passover because that is what determines what day Jesus died. And we have ample historical and authoritative testimony that the Jews sacrificed the Passover lambs on the afternoon of the 14th Nisan.

Now if your purpose is to dispute the Levitical correctness of that timing, then you should have labeled this thread "Did the Jews properly observe the Passover" or some such. But if your purpose is truly to understand on what date Jesus was crucified, then you have to base that understanding on what was Jewish understanding and practice at the time of Jesus. And it is clear from the Gospels as well as all the historical sources that the Jews slew the Passover on the afternoon of Nisan 14, and Jesus died the following day, on Nisan 15, a Friday that year.

In Christ
Pilgrimer

 

[Pilgrimer]

Question.......

Did the Jews of Jesus day begin their Sabbath at 3:00pm or at sunset (the going down of the sun)?

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As an afterthought, you suggested that Jesus had to have died at the time the Passover lambs were being slain in order to fulfill what they foreshadowed (which I don't agree with for the reasons I laid out). But Jesus died at 3:00 in the afternoon, not after sunset when you insist the lambs had to be slain. So you seem to have a contradiction in your own hypothesis.


In Christ,
​Pilgrimer

 

[Pilgrimer]

From the 14th day through the 21st day adds up to (8) days!.

And yet the Scriptures clearly state that the Passover was a feast of 7 days, and that 7 days the Jews were to eat unleavened bread:

"In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten." Ezekiel 45:21

"Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel. EX 12:15

And just as clearly this was the ancient practice of the Jews, to slay the Passover on the afternoon of Nisan 14 and eat it that night on Nisan 15. And it is these historical dates on which they slew and ate the Passover that determine the dates on which Jesus suffered and died. People may not agree with it, but they can't simply change history to suit their your doctrine.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Eccl12and13]

And yet the Scriptures clearly state that the Passover was a feast of 7 days, and that 7 days the Jews were to eat unleavened bread:

"In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten." Ezekiel 45:21

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

Readers.....even my 12 year old son can figure this out....and HAS! Let's read the above scripture again, but before doing so understand just what it is that Pilgrimer is claiming; according to him, the Feast of the Passover and the 7 day Feast of Unleavened Bread together, make up a feast that is to ONLY last for (7) days. Let's read.....

Ezek.45
[21] In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

Now readers.....does the above verse say that the Passover is a feast of seven days? At first glance it does appear as though that is what is being conveyed. But as we also know the original scriptures did not have commas so let's not stop at this one verse. Let's go back to when God first introduced His feast days to get an accurate account of how they were to be observed and for how long.


Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.


Now let's first understand what was happening above. At evening, at the going down of the sun, when the 13th day of the month was ending and the 14th day of the month was beginning, the male lamb was slain. And how do we know that the (2) days were transitioning at this time? Well...just as today.....in at instant, at midnight, we have the ending of one day and the beginning of another. So did one day end and another begin......at sunset. Just as the nation of Israel observed the beginning of their Sabbath, or 7th day at the going down of the sun of the 6th day. Their 7th day became the 7th day at the instant that sun was set; the 6th day ended and the 7th day began! Let's continue....

[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

So still on the 14th day of the month, during the night, unleavened bread was to be eaten. Let's now confirm that this is yet the 14th day of the month and the 15th day of the month had not yet arrived.....

[10] And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

So from the going down of the sun on the 14th day of the month but BEFORE the morning of the same day, the entire feast was to be completed.

Readers....at this point has the 15th day of the month begun? No! For from the going down of the sun until the next morning is STILL the 14th day of the month. The 15th day does not begin until the sun sets.

Now here is the question......was unleavened bread eaten on the 14th day of the month? Of course it was! Let's confirm;

[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
[10] And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
[14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

And what day, not DAYS, is to be observed as a feast forever? God's Feast of the Passover!
And when is this feast DAY to be observed? On the 14th day of the month, at the going down of the sun!

So we have established that on the 14th day of the month, at evening or the going down of the sun, but BEFORE the morning, unleavened bread was eaten. And what did God call this meal/feast that was to be eaten on the 14th day of the month? His Passover. Now let's go to another passage to read what was to occur on the following day, the 15th day of the month, at the going down of the sun. But before doing so....let's read a few more;

[15] Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Now readers......does the above verse say or infer that the 14th day of the month is included or is part of the 7 days that unleavened bread is to be eaten? Was there a break between what was to be observed on the 14th day of the month verses what was to be done for the next (7) days? Not sure? Well....what do we know from the above? That unleavened bread is to be eaten for 7 days. On the first of 7 days unleavened bread is to be eaten, to and including the 7th day. Now let's continue.....

[16] And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
[17] And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.

So is God now speaking about a 'separate' feast in verses 16 & 17 above? One that is not His Passover Feast? There is a difference, because on the first day of the (7) days and on the last day, God commands that these are observed as Sabbath days. Except for cooking the meal, God commands the 1st and the last day of this (7) day feast, no other work was to be done. That means no buying or selling, no other labor or any other thing that God prohibited to be done on His Sabbath day. There was no such commandment for the 14th day of the month. Also note that God did not call these (7) days His Passover, but instead, "...the feast of unleavened bread..."



Let's review some facts we have learned:


Now we know that on the 14th day of the month God commands there to be a feast and that unleavened bread is to be eaten on this day; the 14th day of the month!

We know that God calls the 14th day of the month His Passover Feast!

We know that for 7 days unleavened bread is to be eaten.

We know that the first and the last of the (7) days are Sabbath days.

We know that God gave no commandment that the 14th day was to be observed as a Sabbath day!



But do we know if the feast on 14th day is included with the feast of (7) days that unleavened bread is to be eaten or is it a separate feast day? Let's continue to read God's word and search for the answer. Let's continue in Exodus;


[18] In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.


God's word tells us that from the 14 day of the month at evening until AND including the 21st day of the month unleavened bread is to be eaten. Readers....no matter how you count it.....that's a total of (8) days!

Let's look at the facts again;


Unleavened bread is to be eaten on the 14th day of the month! 1 DAY!

Unleavened bread is to be eaten for (7) days! 7 DAYS!

Unleavened bread is to be eaten from the 14th day until the 21st day 8 DAYS!


Is it possible that God's Feast of the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened bread are separate feast that just happen to follow one another? Let's read more of God's word for the answer......


Lev.23
[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.


So what do we have above? On the 14th day of the month is the Lord's Passover. And did not God command that unleavened bread was to be eaten on the night of the 14th? And what follows afterwards, on the 15th day of the month? God's feast of Unleavened bread begins on the 15th day of the month. For (7) days unleavened bread is to also be eaten.

And what did we learn from our readings in the book of Exodus? Let's read again;

Exod.12
[18] In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

Again...from the 14th day of the month, the Passover Day, until the 21st day of the month, the last day of the Feast of Unleavened bread, unleavened bread is to be eaten. That's a total of (8) days! Let's confirm this further....



Num.28
[16] And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
[17] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
[18] In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
[25] And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work.


Again we see that on the 14th day of the month God calls this Day His Passover. And on the following day, the 15th day of the month, begins the Feast of Unleavened bread. And there is the distinction that the first and the last day of the (7) day feast are to be observed as Sabbath days. At no point did God command that the 14th day, the Passover day be observed as a Sabbath day.


The above scriptures go hand in hand with what God commanded in the beginning;


Exod.12
[18] In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.


God commanded that unleavened bread to be eaten on the 14th day (The Feast of the Passover) AND for an additional (7) days, (The Feast of Unleavened bread)!

From the 14th day at evening until and including the 21st day at evening is a total of (8) days.

TWO separate Feast days; one that lasted for (1) day where unleavened bread was to be eaten and the other, which lasted for (7) days where unleavened bread was to be eaten. Both feast days, back to back, for a total of (8) days!

At no point did God command that His Passover last for (7) days. God commands that His Passover last for (1) day while His Feast of Unleavened bread last for (7) days. The total days that unleavened bread is to be eaten is (8).

"In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even."


That is how God commanded it to be in the beginning and it has not changed!

Not for those that know the truth!


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[Pilgrimer]

Is it possible that God's Feast of the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened bread are separate feast that just happen to follow one another?

If your theory is correct, then you should be able to point to some historical sources that agree with you that passover and unleavened bread were two separate feasts and that the passover lambs were slain on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] Nisan, the day before the feast of unleavened bread began. And yet, all the historical evidence proves your theory is incorrect. The Gospels, the single most reliable historical documents we have, specifically states that the feast of unleavened bread was “called the passover,” proving that the Jews did not agree with you or observe the feasts the way you insist was the correct way.

Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. Luke 22:1

Now Eccl, surely you aren’t going to suggest that Luke was wrong and you are right. So how do you account for Luke saying specifically that the feast of unleavened bread was “called the Passover” if, as you insist, these were two separate feasts that were, or rather should have been, observed on separate days?

And also, we have the Gospel accounts which state specifically that the passover lambs were slain "on the first day of unleavened bread," not the day before as you are insisting.

Now the first [day] of the [feast of] unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? Matthew 26:17

And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? Mark 14:12

Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. Luke 22:7


Now Eccl, that’s three of the four Gospels stating that the lambs were slain not on Nisan 14, the day before unleavened bread as you are insisting, but that in fact the Passover lambs were slain on the first day of unleavened bread. Are you suggesting that Matthew and Mark, as well as Luke, were all wrong and you alone have it right?

Not for those that know the truth!

"The truth"? The truth about what day/date Jesus died is not your opinion on the meaning of the Law. It’s how the Jews, and consequently how Jesus himself, understood and observed the Law. That determines the day/date Jesus died. And all the historical evidence, primarily the Gospels themselves, prove that Jesus died on Friday, Nisan 15 of the year 30 A.D.

And that is the truth.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Eccl12and13]

Now Eccl, surely you aren’t going to suggest that Luke was wrong and you are right. So how do you account for Luke saying specifically that the feast of unleavened bread was “called the Passover” if, as you insist, these were two separate feasts that were, or rather should have been, observed on separate days?

And also, we have the Gospel accounts which state specifically that the passover lambs were slain "on the first day of unleavened bread," not the day before as you are insisting.

Now the first [day] of the [feast of] unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? Matthew 26:17

And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover? Mark 14:12

Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. Luke 22:7


Now Eccl, that’s three of the four Gospels stating that the lambs were slain not on Nisan 14, the day before unleavened bread as you are insisting, but that in fact the Passover lambs were slain on the first day of unleavened bread. Are you suggesting that Matthew and Mark, as well as Luke, were all wrong and you alone have it right?

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

It is not me that insist, it is God's word that proves there were (2) separate feast.

Again readers....when in doubt go back to the beginning. Let's go back again to read that there HAD to be (2) separate feast days; one occurring on the 14th day of the month followed by the other feast on the following day, the 15th day of the month;

Lev.23
[4] These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

How plain can God's word make it? On the 14th day of the month is the Lord's Passover. And when is the Passover lamb to be slain? Let's read....

Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

So still on the 14th day the passover lamb was slain AND unleavened bread was eaten. And what happened on the 15th day of the month....the day following the 14th day? Let's read...

[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Again...how clear is the above? The day FOLLOWING the 14th day of the month begins the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first day is a Sabbath and the last day is a Sabbath. And for ALL 7 days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread unleavened bread is to be eaten. Now let's confirm;

Num.28
[16] And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
[17] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
[18] In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
[25] And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work.

Again God"s word tells us that on the 14th day of the month is His Passover and on the 15th day of the month begins the (7) day Feast of Unleavened Bread. Now if that were not enough.....let's go BACK to the beginning to read the TOTAL amount of days unleavened bread was to be eaten.....

Exod.12
[18] In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

Again readers......God tells us just how long unleavened bread is to be eaten during this entire period of time. From the 14th day until the 21st day unleavened bread is to be eaten. And what did God call the 14th day of the first month?

"In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover."

And what did He call the 15th day of the month?

"And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten."


TWO separate Feast days; one that lasted for (1) day where unleavened bread was to be eaten and the other, which lasted for (7) days where unleavened bread was to be eaten. Both feast days, back to back, for a total of (8) days!


Now are the Gospels wrong? Of course not. But what had obviously happened over several hundred years is that those during Jesus day referred to both Feast days as one in the same. This is proved in the following verse;

Luke.22
[1] Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.


By the time Jesus was on the scene the people referred to both the Feast of the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread as, "...the feast of unleavened bread..."

How do we know this to be? Let's read once again.....when God command the Passover Lamb to be killed;

Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

And let's read how long this commandment was to be kept;


Exod.12
[24] And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.


Now why is it you never comment on the obvious explanation? That being the following verse....


The Gospels are not wrong, nor is God's commandment from the beginning.

The Passover lamb was slain on the 14th day of the first month during Moses day AND Jesus day!


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[Eccl12and13]

If your theory is correct, then you should be able to point to some historical sources that agree with you that passover and unleavened bread were two separate feasts and that the passover lambs were slain on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] Nisan, the day before the feast of unleavened bread began.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

So.......you say you need some 'historical sources' that says the Passover lamb was slain on the 14th day of the month..the day before the 15th day of the month? OK!


Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
[9] Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
[10] And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
[24] And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever.

Above we have an 'historical source' that says the Passover lamb was slain on the 14th day of the month at evening. We also read just how long this ordinance was to be observed. The historical source above tells us this feast was to be performed in this way FOREVER! Let's see if we can find another 'historical source'.


Lev.23
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Above we read that on the 14th day of the month is the Lord's Passover and on the 15th day of the month begins the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Let's read if the Lord's feast was kept in the same way the following year....

Num.9
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the first month of the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
[2] Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.
[3] In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it.
[4] And Moses spake unto the children of Israel, that they should keep the passover.
[5] And they kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month at even in the wilderness of Sinai: according to all that the LORD commanded Moses, so did the children of Israel.

So God's ordinance of the Feast of the Passover had not changed the following year. Again on the 14th day of the month the nation of Israel observed the Lord's Passover. And they kept it, "...according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof..." Meaning the lamb was slain on the 14th day at evening and unleavened bread was eaten. Now let's read if this feast was ONLY for the nation of Israel;

[14] And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.

So all that choose to follow the true and living God was also to keep the Lord's Passover. Let's read if we can find another 'historical source' concerning the observance of the Lord's Passover.

Josh.1
[1] Now after the death of Moses the servant of the LORD it came to pass, that the LORD spake unto Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' minister, saying,
[2] Moses my servant is dead; now therefore arise, go over this Jordan, thou, and all this people, unto the land which I do give to them, even to the children of Israel.
[7] Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.

So now we have a time above that is AFTER the death of Moses. God commanded that ALL of the laws that He gave to Moses were to be obeyed. Let's now read if God's Passover feast had changed. Let's read if the nation of Israel did in fact obey God's laws and keep His Passover at the appointed time;

Josh.5
[6] For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: unto whom the LORD sware that he would not shew them the land, which the LORD sware unto their fathers that he would give us, a land that floweth with milk and honey.

Above we know that at least 40yrs have passed since the nation of Israel observed the first Passover of the Lord. Let's read if the Feast of the Lord's Passover changed;

[10] And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.

Readers....we have yet another 'historical source' saying that the Lord's Passover was observed on the 14th day of the month at evening. Let's continue....

2 Kings 3
[21] And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep the passover unto the LORD your God, as it is written in the book of this covenant.

Above God's word tells us that His Passover was kept, "...as it is written in the book of this covenant." That means even at this time, the Lord's Passover was kept the same way it was kept when it was first given to Moses. Let's continue....


Readers...please take note of something.......we have not read of a (7) day feast in the past few verses! Let's continue to read to see if this feast was done away with or not.....


2 Chr.35
[1] Moreover Josiah kept a passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month.
[13] And they roasted the passover with fire according to the ordinance: but the other holy offerings sod they in pots, and in caldrons, and in pans, and divided them speedily among all the people.

We read that again the Lord's Passover was killed on the 14th day of the month. And did they kill the Passover at any time of the day? No! They killed the Passover, "...according to the ordinance..."

Now what about God's Feast of Unleavened Bread? Let's read....


2 Chr.35
[16] So all the service of the LORD was prepared the same day, to keep the passover, and to offer burnt offerings upon the altar of the LORD, according to the commandment of king Josiah.
[17] And the children of Israel that were present kept the passover at that time, and the feast of unleavened bread seven days.

Readers.....the above 'historical source' states that the nation of Israel kept the 'Passover' AND the 'Feast of Unleavened Bread'! Not only that...but they kept the feast of Unleavened bread for SEVEN DAYS! Let's continue....

[18] And there was no passover like to that kept in Israel from the days of Samuel the prophet; neither did all the kings of Israel keep such a passover as Josiah kept, and the priests, and the Levites, and all Judah and Israel that were present, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
[19] In the eighteenth year of the reign of Josiah was this passover kept.


Readers...notice the writer did not say that the Feast of Unleavened Bread was kept. The writer, inspired by the Holy Spirit, said that, "...there was no passover like to that kept in Israel from the days of Samuel...", and "...neither did all the kings of Israel keep such a passover as Josiah kept..."

But does that mean that God's Feast of Unleavened Bread was not observed? Of course not! For we just read that, "...the children of Israel that were present kept the passover at that time, and the feast of unleavened bread seven days."


It is obvious that at that time the Feast of the Passover AND the Feast of Unleavened Bread became to be know as just, "The Passover" Let's read more...


Ezra.6
[19] And the children of the captivity kept the passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month.
[20] For the priests and the Levites were purified together, all of them were pure, and killed the passover for all the children of the captivity, and for their brethren the priests, and for themselves.
[21] And the children of Israel, which were come again out of captivity, and all such as had separated themselves unto them from the filthiness of the heathen of the land, to seek the LORD God of Israel, did eat,
[22] And kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with joy: for the LORD had made them joyful, and turned the heart of the king of Assyria unto them, to strengthen their hands in the work of the house of God, the God of Israel.


Readers.....this is now MANY years after the first Passover was commanded by God. And it still consist of the Feast of the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread. TWO Feast days, one right after the other, with unleavened bread eaten on ALL of the (8) days.

Now this ordinance has not changed up to this point. Even through captivity God ensured that His Feast days would be observed just the way He commanded them to be.


Now....just as we read above how the (2) feast days were referred to as just the Passover...well....by the time of Jesus day, the (2) feast days were referred to as the Feast of Unleavened bread,


"...And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover..."

"After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread..."

"Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover.

"Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover."

"And the passover, a feast of the Jews..."


Clearly....the terms "Passover" and "Unleavened Bread", were interchanged, but that does not mean that the feast days were observed in another way other than the way God commanded them to be kept.

You wanted 'historical sources' that the Passover Lamb was killed on the 14th day of the first month? You have God's words that tells us that the Passover Lamb was killed on the 14th day of the first month.


Readers....did God instruct us to go OUTSIDE of His word to prove doctrine?

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

With that said....let's again read what thus said the Lord:

Exod.12
[18] In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.


TWO separate Feast days; the Feast of the Passover that lasted for (1) day where unleavened bread was to be eaten and the other, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which lasted for (7) days where unleavened bread was to be eaten on each day. Both feast days, back to back, for a total of (8) days!

 

[Pilgrimer]

So.......you say you need some 'historical sources' that says the Passover lamb was slain on the 14th day of the month..the day before the 15th day of the month? OK!

No Eccl, what I meant about historical sources was evidence about how the Jews observed Passover, not how you think it should have been observed. To this date the Jews eat the Passover Seder on Nisan 15 (Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover), which according to the Gospels as well as all the extra-Biblical records is how they observed it at the time of Jesus' death. Which means Jesus had the disciples prepare the Passover, along with all the rest of Israel, on the afternoon of Nisan 14, then he and his men ate the Passover after sunset on Nisan 15. That night he was arrested, and the next day he was crucified. Jesus died on Nisan 15.

As I said, you can argue whether or not that was the correct way to observe the Passover, but you cannot change history.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Eccl12and13]

No Eccl, what I meant about historical sources was evidence about how the Jews observed Passover, not how you think it should have been observed. To this date the Jews eat the Passover Seder on Nisan 15 (Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover), which according to the Gospels as well as all the extra-Biblical records is how they observed it at the time of Jesus' death. Which means Jesus had the disciples prepare the Passover, along with all the rest of Israel, on the afternoon of Nisan 14, then he and his men ate the Passover after sunset on Nisan 15. That night he was arrested, and the next day he was crucified. Jesus died on Nisan 15.

As I said, you can argue whether or not that was the correct way to observe the Passover, but you cannot change history.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

Wow! How is it possible that following scriptures is MY thinking or interpretation of how the Lord's Passover should be observed?


Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.


Was it me the said the Passover Lamb was to be killed on the 14th day of the month at evening? No! It was God!


Lev.23
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

Did I make up the above date and time? No! It was God!


Josh.1
[10] And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.

2 Chr.35
[1] Moreover Josiah kept a passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month.
[13] And they roasted the passover with fire according to the ordinance: but the other holy offerings sod they in pots, and in caldrons, and in pans, and divided them speedily among all the people.

Ezra.6
[19] And the children of the captivity kept the passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month.
[20] For the priests and the Levites were purified together, all of them were pure, and killed the passover for all the children of the captivity, and for their brethren the priests, and for themselves.


And was it ME that set the date and time above for the Lord's Passover? No! Again, each and every time it was God!


You ask me for 'historical sources'! And I presented to you the word of GOD! Can you get a better 'historical source', than the word of God?

What you want is for me to go OUTSIDE of the word of God for proof, as you have done. But God's word tells us to use HIS WORDS to prove all doctrine;


"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"


So what do we have? We have the word of God that declares that the Passover was to be kept on the 14th day of the month, with the lamb killed at evening.


And we have what you have presented, (Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover)!


Readers who do you go with?

Do you go with the word of God? Do you go with the very clear teaching above?

Or do you go with the teachings of a people who do not believe the one that came was in fact the Son of God? Do you go with (Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover)


Just because those that call themselves Jews have kept a tradition for over 2000 years does not make them right.


Readers....you go with the word of God. You do just as I have presented; you go back to the beginning! You read the scriptures! You find what God said and leave everything else behind.


God gave His laws to Moses and you can not read ONE place where He changed His laws concerning the Feast of the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread anywhere in His word. As a matter of fact, from the time the Lord first gave His commandment to keep the Passover, until after the death of Moses and far into the captivity of the nation of Israel we find that the Lord's Passover was kept in it's original way; On the 14th day of the month with the Passover Lamb killed on the 14th day of the month at evening! Why? Because it was God's LAW!


Question: Did Christ sin! Did Christ break ANY of the laws that God gave?


Some know the truth. Some know that both the Passover Lamb AND Christ were killed on the 14th day of the first of God's months. Some know that this up coming tradition of man does not line up with the word of God.


And then there are some..............


Which will you be?



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[Pilgrimer]

Wow! How is it possible that following scriptures is MY thinking or interpretation of how the Lord's Passover should be observed?

Because you are interpreting "the evening" to mean after sunset at the beginning of Nisan 14. In spite of the fact that it has been explained to you with ample Scriptural and historical evidence that the Jews did not interpret it that way or observe it that way, including Jesus.

What you want is for me to go OUTSIDE of the word of God for proof, as you have done. But God's word tells us to use HIS WORDS to prove all doctrine;


"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

But you did not pose a question about Scripture, you posed a question about the historical date on which Jesus died. Now since there are clearly different interpretations of what the Bible meant in the Passover ordinances, the only way to know which interpretation was being observed, and therefore what date Jesus was crucified, is through historical records. But as is so often the case, some group thinks they have some new "truth" about history based on their interpretation of the Bible and it matters not a whit whether or not their interpretation is supported by historical evidence. Sigh~

So what do we have? We have the word of God that declares that the Passover was to be kept on the 14th day of the month, with the lamb killed at evening.


And we have what you have presented, (Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover)!


Readers who do you go with?

Do you go with the word of God? Do you go with the very clear teaching above?

Or do you go with the teachings of a people who do not believe the one that came was in fact the Son of God? Do you go with (Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover)

Now that's a rather underhanded and unfair tactic, my friend. I have presented a list of Scriptures as well as 1st century historical evidence and for you to suggest that my whole argument rests on that one source is patently dishonest. I'm surprised and I really think you are better than that.

Just because those that call themselves Jews have kept a tradition for over 2000 years does not make them right.

Again, that's not the point you raised, my friend. You asked the question "on what date did your Messiah die" and then you tried to destroy the Christian observance of Easter by suggesting that Jesus was not crucified on a Friday. But you cannot offer any historical support, indeed, all the historical evidence is against you. But that does not sway you because, I suspect, you are not truly concerned about what date Jesus was actually crucified, what you are really after is to prove that Christianity is wrong and you, or rather your group or organization to which you belong, has the corner on "truth." So you very easily brush aside the truth about how the Jews actually observed Passover and when they actually slew the lambs and ate the Passover which, in truth, fixes the date of Jesus' death, but you brush all that aside because that's not really what you are trying to do here is it? You're not really trying to determine when Jesus died, or even discuss it in an honest and open way, are you? Your goal is to discredit Christianity. Right? And to sway "dear reader" over to your way of thinking, right?

Readers....you go with the word of God. You do just as I have presented; you go back to the beginning! You read the scriptures! You find what God said and leave everything else behind.


God gave His laws to Moses and you can not read ONE place where He changed His laws concerning the Feast of the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread anywhere in His word. As a matter of fact, from the time the Lord first gave His commandment to keep the Passover, until after the death of Moses and far into the captivity of the nation of Israel we find that the Lord's Passover was kept in it's original way; On the 14th day of the month with the Passover Lamb killed on the 14th day of the month at evening! Why? Because it was God's LAW!


Question: Did Christ sin! Did Christ break ANY of the laws that God gave?


Some know the truth. Some know that both the Passover Lamb AND Christ were killed on the 14th day of the first of God's months. Some know that this up coming tradition of man does not line up with the word of God.


And then there are some..............


Which will you be?



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Yeah, that's what I thought.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

 

[Eccl12and13]

No Eccl, what I meant about historical sources was evidence about how the Jews observed Passover, not how you think it should have been observed. To this date the Jews eat the Passover Seder on Nisan 15 (Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover), which according to the Gospels as well as all the extra-Biblical records is how they observed it at the time of Jesus' death. Which means Jesus had the disciples prepare the Passover, along with all the rest of Israel, on the afternoon of Nisan 14, then he and his men ate the Passover after sunset on Nisan 15.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer

Readers.....let's compare the above description of the observance of the Lords Passover to what the bible commands;


Pilgrimer claims the following;

"Which means Jesus had the disciples prepare the Passover, along with all the rest of Israel, on the afternoon of Nisan 14, then he and his men ate the Passover after sunset on Nisan 15."


So, according to Pilgrimer, the Lord's Passover lamb was killed and prepared on the 14th day of the month in the afternoon, but not eaten until after the sun set on the 15th day of the month. Now is that what God commanded? Did God command that His Passover was to be prepared, killed, on the 14th day of the month in the afternoon, but not eaten until after the sun went down, making it a new day, or the 15th day of the month?


Let's read what thus said the Lord concerning His Passover;

Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

Lev.23
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

Josh.1
[10] And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.

2 Chr.35
[1] Moreover Josiah kept a passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month.
[13] And they roasted the passover with fire according to the ordinance: but the other holy offerings sod they in pots, and in caldrons, and in pans, and divided them speedily among all the people.

Ezra.6
[19] And the children of the captivity kept the passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month.
[20] For the priests and the Levites were purified together, all of them were pure, and killed the passover for all the children of the captivity, and for their brethren the priests, and for themselves.

God commanded that His Passover was to be kept on the 14th day of the month. The lamb was to be killed at evening. In other words the Passover lamb was not to be killed until after the sunset. The Passover meal was not to be eaten until after the sunset. The killing of the Passover lamb and the eating of the Passover meal was ALL to happen on the 14th day of the month after sunset.

Now Pilgrimer has said that the Jews of the day used some sort of calculation to determine just when the killing of the lamb is to take place. Pilgrimer claims the following;


"But note also that the Jewish evening was divided in half. From 12:01 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. was called "erev katon," or "short or lesser evening," and the period from 3:00 p.m. to sunset was called "erev gadol," or "long or greater evening" because this portion of the day could last at least 3 hours (during the short days of winter) to as much as 6 hours (during the longer days of summer).

The Jews understood the phrase "between the evenings," when the Passover was to be slain, to mean between erev katon and erev gadol, or at 3:00 p.m.

However, in the days of Jesus, the number of lambs that were to be sacrificed was so prodigious that the sacrificing actually began at 1:30 p.m. and lasted until 5:00 p.m. on the afternoon of Nisan 14. This is the eye-witness testimony of Josephus, who was a priest in the Temple during the 1st century A.D."



Now if you went with the thoughts and commentaries of these sources that are outside of the word of God they would seem correct...even logical!


But readers.....we still have the word of God to use to draw a conclusion that aligns itself with scriptures.....ALL scriptures!

Let's now go to the word of God to find when He, and no other, commanded that His Passover was to be killed and eaten;


Deut.16
[6] But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.
[7] And thou shalt roast and eat it in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: and thou shalt turn in the morning, and go unto thy tents.


God, not Josephus, commanded that His Passover was to be kept at even, at the going down of the sun AND on the 14th day of the month! You can find nowhere in scripture where God commanded His Passover to be observed/eaten on the 15th day of the month!


Now if you go with the fact that "the going down of the sun" actually begins sometime after 12pm, or noon, you still have to observe the commandment of God that the meal was to be eaten ON THE 14TH DAY OF THE MONTH! That would mean the killing AND the eating of the meal MUST happen before the 15th day of the month, which begins at sunset! Why? Because God said that His Passover was to be kept on the 14th day of the month and not the 15th day;


Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.


Now in which night did God command His Passover to be eaten? Was it the night of the 14th or the night of the 15th day of the month?



Lev.23
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

Josh.1
[10] And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.

2 Chr.35
[1] Moreover Josiah kept a passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month.
[13] And they roasted the passover with fire according to the ordinance: but the other holy offerings sod they in pots, and in caldrons, and in pans, and divided them speedily among all the people.

Ezra.6
[19] And the children of the captivity kept the passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month.
[20] For the priests and the Levites were purified together, all of them were pure, and killed the passover for all the children of the captivity, and for their brethren the priests, and for themselves.

So....you have the claim of Pilgrimer, that the Passover lambs were killed on the 14th day of the month and not not eaten until the 15th day of the month...

Or........

You have the word of God that commands His Passover to be both killed AND eaten on the 14th day of the month;

Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.



And let's not forget about the amount of time unleavened bread was to be eaten;


Exod.12
[18] In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.


No matter how you add this up....you continue to come up with a total of (8) days that unleavened bread was to be eaten......as compared to the claim of Pilgremer;

"And yet the Scriptures clearly state that the Passover was a feast of 7 days, and that 7 days the Jews were to eat unleavened bread:" Post#106"


Where does the 8th day come from?





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[Eccl12and13]

As an afterthought, you suggested that Jesus had to have died at the time the Passover lambs were being slain in order to fulfill what they foreshadowed (which I don't agree with for the reasons I laid out). But Jesus died at 3:00 in the afternoon, not after sunset when you insist the lambs had to be slain. So you seem to have a contradiction in your own hypothesis.


In Christ,
​Pilgrimer

No.....Jesus had to die on the 14th day of the month! Jesus had to die on the same DAY as the Passover Lamb in order to be our Passover!

The Passover Lamb was killed on the 14th day of the month.

Jesus observed the Lord's Passover with His disciples on the 14th day of the month, and later that same day was killed and laid to rest before the setting of the sun, before the 15th day of the month began!

If Jesus ate the Passover meal on the 15th day of the month that would have gone against the commandment of God;

Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.

Lev.23
[5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover.

Josh.1
[10] And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho.

2 Chr.35
[1] Moreover Josiah kept a passover unto the LORD in Jerusalem: and they killed the passover on the fourteenth day of the first month.
[13] And they roasted the passover with fire according to the ordinance: but the other holy offerings sod they in pots, and in caldrons, and in pans, and divided them speedily among all the people.

Ezra.6
[19] And the children of the captivity kept the passover upon the fourteenth day of the first month.
[20] For the priests and the Levites were purified together, all of them were pure, and killed the passover for all the children of the captivity, and for their brethren the priests, and for themselves.


God never gave a commandment that His Passover was to be eaten on the 15th day of the month.


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[Eccl12and13]

Readers....let's again read what God commanded to be observed on the 14th day of the month;

Exod.12
[5] Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
[6] And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
[7] And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
[8] And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
[9] Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
[10] And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
[11] And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.

Now again...let's take note of the instructions above;

The lamb is to be killed in the evening.
Blood is to be placed on the posts.
The Passover meal is to be eaten in the night that the lamb was killed.
God gave no command that the 14th day of the month was to be a Sabbath.
God gave no command that leaven is to be removed from the dwellings.

Now let's read what else happened on the 14th day of the month;

Exod.12
[12] For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD.
[13] And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

Now readers.....WHICH night where the first born killed? Some would have you to believe that the Passover lamb was killed during the day on the 14th day of the month, but the Passover meal was eaten at the going down of the sun going into the 15th day of the month.

But is that what God instructed? God said, "For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt..."

Now again.....was "This night" the night of the 14th day or the night of the 15th day?

Clearly the Passover lambs were to be killed on the 14th day of the month, at evening, the going down of the sun, sunset, when the 13th day of the month was ending and the 14th day of the month was beginning.

And when and for how long was this tradition to be kept?

Exod.12
[14] And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

Num.9
[2] Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.
[3] In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it.

So that means that even at the time of Christ, this feast was to be kept in this exact way; at this exact time and in this exact way.

And what was to be observed on the following day? The day that was to observed as a Sabbath day with a holy convocation and all leavened foods removed from the dwellings? Let's read...

Lev.23
[6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Num.28
[17] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
[18] In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:


Now let's jump ahead to the days of Christ to see try to find the mindset of the disciples during this time of year....


Matt.26
[17] Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
[18] And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
[19] And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.

Mark 14
[1] After two days was the feast of the passover, and of unleavened bread: and the chief priests and the scribes sought how they might take him by craft, and put him to death.
[12] And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

Luke 22
[1] Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.
[7] Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.


Now let's not get confused with the wording above. And let's not forget the commandment of God;

"And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.

In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it."

God's laws concerning His feast days did not change. On the 14th day of the month at evening was to be the Passover and the following day at evening was to be the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Readers....consider this, did God at any time command that His Passover feast and His Feast of Unleavened Bread were to be combined? No! For He said that His Feast of Passover and His Feast of Unleavened Bread were to be observed in the way that He originally commanded forever;

The Feast of the Passover;
"And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
"In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover."


And the Feast of Unleavened Bread;
"And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread."

Two Feast days to be observed at their appointed time.


Now let's go to the actual night of the Passover meal.....

Matt.26
[17] Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
[18] And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.
[19] And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.
[20] Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.

So we have Jesus sitting down with His disciples getting ready to eat the Passover meal.

Matt.26
[21] And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
[23] And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.

And Jesus tells them that one of them will betray Him in that night...the night of the Passover.

Let's find this same night elsewhere....


Mark 14
[16] And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
[17] And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
[18] And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.
[19] And they began to be sorrowful, and to say unto him one by one, Is it I? and another said, Is it I?

Again we find on the night of the Passover meal, Jesus declares that one of them will betray Him. Let's find this again....

Luke 22
[13] And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
[14] And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
[15] And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
[17] And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
[19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
[21] But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

Again...on the same night of the Feast day of the Passover, Jesus declares that one of His disciples will betray Him.


So readers.....is there any doubt as to what night Jesus declared that one of His disciples would betray Him? No! It was on the night that He had the Passover meal. And let's not forget when God commanded His Passover Feast to be observed;


"And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.

Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.

In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it."


Knowing this.....let's read another account of Jesus telling His disciples that He would be betrayed by one of His own. And let's not forget what we just read above... The night that Jesus declared that He would be betrayed was on the night that He ate His Passover meal with His disciples.


John 13
[1] Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
[2] And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

John tells us that "...BEFORE the Feast of the Passover...", and "...supper being ended...", the devil deceived Judas into betraying Jesus. Let's continue to find if we can find just what night this is that was "...BEFORE the Feast of the Passover...". Let's continue where we left off....

John 13
[4] He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
[5] After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
[6] Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
[8] Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
[9] Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
[10] Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
[11] For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
[12] So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
[18] I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

So again, on the same night that was, BEFORE the Feast of the Passover, Jesus washed the feet of His disciples. And what did Jesus declare to them all? Jesus told them that one of them was not clean because He knew that He would be betrayed.

"...but not all....For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.", "...He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me."

Let's continue to read the events of this night. A night that John said was, BEFORE the Feast of the Passover.....

[21] When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
[22] Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.
[23] Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
[24] Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
[25] He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
[26] Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
[27] And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.


Now readers.....how many scriptures did we read above stating that Jesus declared His betrayer on the night that the Passover meal was eaten?

But in the above account John tells us that this declaration by Jesus was made, "...BEFORE THE FEAST OF THE PASSOVER."

How can this be?

The (2) feast days terms became interchangeable. They were still observed as God commanded; the Feast of the Passover on the 14th day of the month, followed by the Feast of Unleavened Bread on the 15th day of the month, but the terms were combined and interchanged.

This can be proved by reading the following verses;

"Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?"

"And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover"

"Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover."



Just as we read above, by the time of Christ the (2) terms were interchanged.

Let's confirm this. Let's continue our reading in John;

John 13
[28] Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
[29] For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
[30] He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

Now readers.....according to some...this spoken of above should have been the Feast of Unleavened Bread, but noticed what the disciples thought when Jesus spoke and Judas ran out;

"For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast..."


Now if that night was in fact to be the Feast of Unleavened Bread, shouldn't ALL that was needed for the feast had already been bought and prepared?

And why did they have the mindset that Judas was going to buy those things that would have been needed for the feast?

Because God said that His Passover was to be observed on the 14th day of the month, followed by the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

It was for this Feast of Unleavened Bread that the disciples thought Judas was going to make preparations!


Two feast days; The Feast of the Passover on the 14th day of the month observed for (1) day, followed by the Feast of Unleavened Bread observed for (7) days, for a total of (8) days. Thus the commandment of the Lord;

Exod.12
[18] In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.

From the 14th day at even until and including the 21st day of the month at even equals (8) days; (1) day of the Passover followed by (7) days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread!


God did not change His ordinance of His Feast Days.

"And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever."

"Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season."

"In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it."

"And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread."


Readers....when in doubt....always go back to the beginning to find how God instructed.

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