Only make believe - for some.

[Gideon300]

I'm nearly 75 and I can't recall a stranger time to be alive. There never have been any good old days and nostalgia is not what it used to be. Yet we also live in a time where children are encouraged to question their gender and some kids identify as cats. Worse, the system tries to override the choice of the parents. And the number of single parent families is shocking. For once that word means what it says, not youtube click bait.

Even the slightest amount of common sense tells us that identifying as something that you are not is meaningless. Unfortunately, common sense is sadly lacking. The world has allowed anti Christ Islam to invade once Christian nations. The world hates Christians more than it hates the adherents of a murderous death cult that intends to take over the whole world.

Now there is the same problem in the church. Many identify themselves as something they are not. They claim to be believers, but they are not. They may have intellectual acceptance of the facts, they may have the outward appearance but there is no reality. They are make believers. Unlike the absurd "furries", the false believer problem has been around for 2,000 years.

"But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.” 1 Timothy 2:19

"Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble......." 2 Peter 1:10

"Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you—unless you fail the test?" 2 Corinthians 13:5

One of the signs that someone is really born again is their attitude to sin. They hate it. Some are in deed bondage and need a lot of help to get free. Some do not realise what sin is, especially as new believers.

I can think of few worse things than to stand before Lord Jesus thinking that you are saved, only to share the same fate as the wicked. And in reality, deep down the make believers know that they are missing something. Man looks at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart.

It is no shame to admit that maybe you know only about Christ and you do not know Him in experience. It is a simple thing to receive Him and become born again in reality. It may be humbling, but it sure beats the alternative.

 

[timf]

Before the flood every imagination of the heart was only evil continuously. The increased difficulties humans faced after the flood has kept us from being that evil. However, the Industrial Revolution brought in technology to make life much less difficult so once again we are returning to the degree of evil not seen since the flood.

Satan needed Western Civilization to develop the tools he needed to make his move to try to take over the world. Now that this is almost done he does not want a powerful group to potentially block his plans. This may be the reason he seems to want us to destroy ourselves.

There is a booklet The Satan History of the World that touches on this;

pdf - https://christianpioneer.com/videos/ebooks/Satanic_history_of_the_world_v1.pdf

web pages - https://christianpioneer.com/cphone ebooks/shotw/shotw main.htm

 

[arlev]

Before the flood every imagination of the heart was only evil continuously.

And, yet, Noah found favour in God's eyes (Gen 6:8) and he walked with God (Gen 6:9).
He was a herald of righteousness (II Peter 2:5), too, who had faith (Heb 11:7).

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I'm nearly 75 and I can't recall a stranger time to be alive. There never have been any good old days and nostalgia is not what it used to be. Yet we also live in a time where children are encouraged to question their gender and some kids identify as cats. Worse, the system tries to override the choice of the parents. And the number of single parent families is shocking. For once that word means what it says, not youtube click bait.

Even the slightest amount of common sense tells us that identifying as something that you are not is meaningless. Unfortunately, common sense is sadly lacking. The world has allowed anti Christ Islam to invade once Christian nations. The world hates Christians more than it hates the adherents of a murderous death cult that intends to take over the whole world.

Now there is the same problem in the church. Many identify themselves as something they are not. They claim to be believers, but they are not. They may have intellectual acceptance of the facts, they may have the outward appearance but there is no reality. They are make believers. Unlike the absurd "furries", the false believer problem has been around for 2,000 years.

"But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.” 1 Timothy 2:19

"Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble......." 2 Peter 1:10

"Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you—unless you fail the test?" 2 Corinthians 13:5

One of the signs that someone is really born again is their attitude to sin. They hate it. Some are in deed bondage and need a lot of help to get free. Some do not realise what sin is, especially as new believers.

I can think of few worse things than to stand before Lord Jesus thinking that you are saved, only to share the same fate as the wicked. And in reality, deep down the make believers know that they are missing something. Man looks at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart.

It is no shame to admit that maybe you know only about Christ and you do not know Him in experience. It is a simple thing to receive Him and become born again in reality. It may be humbling, but it sure beats the alternative.

Milk and meat … a baby is born they need milk so they can grow up

“as newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: if so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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“as newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: if so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭2:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

abut as the baby grows he needs to begin eating food at some
Point or he cannot grow up

“And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬

If an infant baby tries to eat a steak or chop they will choke they aren’t able to chew it and swallow and digest it but after they have enough milk and grow thereby ….. they need to eventually start eating the meat and potatoes or they will stunt and become barren trees without fruit .

“For every one that useth milk ( only ) is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭5:13-14‬ ‭

My point is in a family there are new borns and toddlers teens and them adults grown ups and then old folks ….. you don’t feed a grow man the same thing you feed a babe until the babe grows up and becomes ready and able to digest and benefit from that good solid food bit …..it doesn’t disqualify the baby from being a child precious and claimed by the father .

The issue is when it’s not a new
Born anymore not even a babe but teen trying to sit and breast feed because they refuse to learn and grow up and accept thier role and responsability as an adult ect then you have the issue

When those who should be mature remain as babes and never develope like a tree that never blooms any fruits or a bush that never yields berries or herbs . But the babes aren’t required to bear the same fruits as an old folk they should be mature by now which means they have become accountable and responsible and aren’t ruled by thier corrupt feelings and senses rather they have followed after the word and thoer
Senses have been trained for
Good and to recognize and part from evil .

“Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:2-3, 6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬



Its truly a process
Of Being born and growing up bit like in life we can really rebel and get off track and eventually become stale and unfruitful refusing to grow up from
Infancy to adulthood two different roles and expectations

 

[Aaron56]

To continue with Pilgrim's post above...

Paul wrote: “And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬


“For every one that useth milk ( only ) is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe."

Notice that the word that is being served for consumption came from Paul's voice. It wasn't written. It was spoken. We have no record of what Paul spoke unless it is recorded in the scriptures.

This is consistent with what Paul wrote to the believers in Rome:

"How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent?"

The church does not primarily need more Bible study. We are in need of elders who have walked with the Lord, men and women, who can instruct the young in Christ.

These people, established by God, can speak the milk or the meat to the believers in the right time and with the right amount of emphasis. Instead, we have a generalized, most-common-denominator (which is usually humanist) message that has varying degrees of relevance to the audience.

 

[Nedsk]

I'm nearly 75 and I can't recall a stranger time to be alive. There never have been any good old days and nostalgia is not what it used to be. Yet we also live in a time where children are encouraged to question their gender and some kids identify as cats. Worse, the system tries to override the choice of the parents. And the number of single parent families is shocking. For once that word means what it says, not youtube click bait.

Even the slightest amount of common sense tells us that identifying as something that you are not is meaningless. Unfortunately, common sense is sadly lacking. The world has allowed anti Christ Islam to invade once Christian nations. The world hates Christians more than it hates the adherents of a murderous death cult that intends to take over the whole world.

Now there is the same problem in the church. Many identify themselves as something they are not. They claim to be believers, but they are not. They may have intellectual acceptance of the facts, they may have the outward appearance but there is no reality. They are make believers. Unlike the absurd "furries", the false believer problem has been around for 2,000 years.

"But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.” 1 Timothy 2:19

"Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble......." 2 Peter 1:10

"Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you—unless you fail the test?" 2 Corinthians 13:5

One of the signs that someone is really born again is their attitude to sin. They hate it. Some are in deed bondage and need a lot of help to get free. Some do not realise what sin is, especially as new believers.

I can think of few worse things than to stand before Lord Jesus thinking that you are saved, only to share the same fate as the wicked. And in reality, deep down the make believers know that they are missing something. Man looks at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart.

It is no shame to admit that maybe you know only about Christ and you do not know Him in experience. It is a simple thing to receive Him and become born again in reality. It may be humbling, but it sure beats the alternative.

How is one assured they are a true believe and not a make believer? Is it based on their own belief? People believe in things that aren't true all the time?

 

[Gideon300]

How is one assured they are a true believe and not a make believer? Is it based on their own belief? People believe in things that aren't true all the time?

If an individual is born again, they know it. "The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children." Romans 8:16

Every believer should have a good foundation for their claim to believe. That foundation is God's word. There will be a time in the believer's life when they received Christ. They accepted the gift of God and His mercy, grace and forgiveness. When challenged, as we all are from time to time, we can stand on God's word and what He has done.

If someone is not sure or unclear, then the answer is simple. Accept Christ and His finished work through His death and resurrection. Then we will be born again. It does not depend on feeling or mental understanding. It depends on God's mercy and grace. That is solid rock. We will not be moved.

 

[Nedsk]

If an individual is born again, they know it. "The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children." Romans 8:16

Every believer should have a good foundation for their claim to believe. That foundation is God's word. There will be a time in the believer's life when they received Christ. They accepted the gift of God and His mercy, grace and forgiveness. When challenged, as we all are from time to time, we can stand on God's word and what He has done.

If someone is not sure or unclear, then the answer is simple. Accept Christ and His finished work through His death and resurrection. Then we will be born again. It does not depend on feeling or mental understanding. It depends on God's mercy and grace. That is solid rock. We will not be moved.

What you mean they "know it"? That's circular reasoning. They believe it's true so it is true?

I get that it depends on God's mercy and grace, how do you know that mercy and grace is applied to you? You said, they know it. They can only know it through belief. As stated people believe all kinds of things that just aren't true.

 

[Soyeong]

I'm nearly 75 and I can't recall a stranger time to be alive. There never have been any good old days and nostalgia is not what it used to be. Yet we also live in a time where children are encouraged to question their gender and some kids identify as cats. Worse, the system tries to override the choice of the parents. And the number of single parent families is shocking. For once that word means what it says, not youtube click bait.

Even the slightest amount of common sense tells us that identifying as something that you are not is meaningless. Unfortunately, common sense is sadly lacking. The world has allowed anti Christ Islam to invade once Christian nations. The world hates Christians more than it hates the adherents of a murderous death cult that intends to take over the whole world.

Now there is the same problem in the church. Many identify themselves as something they are not. They claim to be believers, but they are not. They may have intellectual acceptance of the facts, they may have the outward appearance but there is no reality. They are make believers. Unlike the absurd "furries", the false believer problem has been around for 2,000 years.

"But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.” 1 Timothy 2:19

"Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble......." 2 Peter 1:10

"Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you—unless you fail the test?" 2 Corinthians 13:5

One of the signs that someone is really born again is their attitude to sin. They hate it. Some are in deed bondage and need a lot of help to get free. Some do not realise what sin is, especially as new believers.

I can think of few worse things than to stand before Lord Jesus thinking that you are saved, only to share the same fate as the wicked. And in reality, deep down the make believers know that they are missing something. Man looks at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart.

It is no shame to admit that maybe you know only about Christ and you do not know Him in experience. It is a simple thing to receive Him and become born again in reality. It may be humbling, but it sure beats the alternative.

The Hebrew word “yada” refers to intimate relationships/knowledge gained by experience, such as with Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. God’s way is the way to know (yada) Him and Jesus by having the experience of embodying His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew (yada) Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know (yada) Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Law of Moses is to graciously teach us how to experience an intimate relationship with God and Jesus by walking in His way, which is His gift of eternal life.

A child of someone is a person who is in their likeness by embodying their character traits, which is why Jesus said in John 8:39 that if they were children of Abraham then they would be doing the same works as him. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so that is what it means for him to be the Son of God and what it means for us to be children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example. This is also why those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not children of God (1 John 3:4-10) and why Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses (Romans 8:4-7).

Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits and the Law of Moses was given in order to teach us how to embody God's character traits, which is why it is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20) and why those who hate sin will promote obedience to it while those who love sin will argue against obeying it.

 

[homwardbound]

I'm nearly 75 and I can't recall a stranger time to be alive. There never have been any good old days and nostalgia is not what it used to be. Yet we also live in a time where children are encouraged to question their gender and some kids identify as cats. Worse, the system tries to override the choice of the parents. And the number of single parent families is shocking. For once that word means what it says, not youtube click bait.

Even the slightest amount of common sense tells us that identifying as something that you are not is meaningless. Unfortunately, common sense is sadly lacking. The world has allowed anti Christ Islam to invade once Christian nations. The world hates Christians more than it hates the adherents of a murderous death cult that intends to take over the whole world.

Now there is the same problem in the church. Many identify themselves as something they are not. They claim to be believers, but they are not. They may have intellectual acceptance of the facts, they may have the outward appearance but there is no reality. They are make believers. Unlike the absurd "furries", the false believer problem has been around for 2,000 years.

"But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.” 1 Timothy 2:19

"Therefore, brothers, strive to make your calling and election sure. For if you practice these things you will never stumble......." 2 Peter 1:10

"Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Jesus Christ is in you—unless you fail the test?" 2 Corinthians 13:5

One of the signs that someone is really born again is their attitude to sin. They hate it. Some are in deed bondage and need a lot of help to get free. Some do not realise what sin is, especially as new believers.

I can think of few worse things than to stand before Lord Jesus thinking that you are saved, only to share the same fate as the wicked. And in reality, deep down the make believers know that they are missing something. Man looks at the outward appearance; God looks at the heart.

It is no shame to admit that maybe you know only about Christ and you do not know Him in experience. It is a simple thing to receive Him and become born again in reality. It may be humbling, but it sure beats the alternative.

I see this, believers in the risen Son continued and people freed to let go of troubles and continue to stand in belief to God Col 1:21-23
In Constantine's times. During the time the Romans had control of the written word. they had set up Churches. No one was attending them. In those days Pagan Priests complained and Constantine set up a meeting with them.
In that meeting he told them to fake belief, to read the Bible and agree with others. Get others under your control, without taking control. Then you can get money gift to you and you can behind the scenes control them using God as you know God.
They did that and attendance began. here we all are here today, giving other people praise and not God in risen Son, sitting in Mose's seat. Yet, for anyone to truly love all as I see are called to do sincerely with Father leading in his Holy Spirit through anyone that is willing. Yet not all do or some, many maybe will not do. yet Father in risen Son continues to pour out mercy Wow Isaiah 6:1-7
Amazing it must be Mercy that truly changes people in truth, under Law assuredly does not do that, or does it? we each get to decide, thank God
If you are wanting to do good, continue Galatians 6:1-9 explains much depth to me, once God reveals to to anyone

 

[UnoiAmarah]

How is one assured they are a true believer and not a make believer?

The true believer knows "for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, ...". and the make believer knows , he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Is it based on their own belief?

Proverbs 26:10

They believe it's true so it is true?

No more than believing something is not true makes it false.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

A tree is known by its fruit.

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control. Against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Galatians 5:22-25​

 

[Nedsk]

The true believer knows "for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, ...". and the make believer knows , he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Proverbs 26:10

No more than believing something is not true makes it false.

What you can't do is show that any of that actually applies to you.

What anyone doesn't believe is meaningless. The disposition of your eternal soul rests on your belief and people believe all kinds of things that aren't real.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

What you can't do is show that any of that actually applies to you.

Well, in order to come to the eternal One, you must believe he is since I wouldn't have even considered the concept of the eternal except but the Holy Ghost drawing me to the Word that reveals the only begotten Son who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light of the eternal One which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen nor can see,

The disposition of your eternal soul rests on your belief and people believe all kinds of things that aren't real.

I guess your soul is free from grace being eternal and all, the law of truth binds me as a mortal man under grace without an eternal soul since the glory of the eternal God is his being the only eternal One.

 

[Nedsk]

Well, in order to come to the eternal One, you must believe he is since I wouldn't have even considered the concept of the eternal except but the Holy Ghost drawing me to the Word that reveals the only begotten Son who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light of the eternal One which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen nor can see,


I guess your soul is free from grace being eternal and all, the law of truth binds me as a mortal man under grace without an eternal soul since the glory of the eternal God is his being the only eternal One.

You people either can't or wont pay attention

 

[Dino246]

The Hebrew word “yada” refers to intimate relationships/knowledge gained by experience, such as with Genesis 4:1 where Adam knew (yada) Eve, she conceived, and gave birth to Cain. God’s way is the way to know (yada) Him and Jesus by having the experience of embodying His character traits, which is the narrow way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew (yada) Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in His way by being doers of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in His way that he and Israel might know (yada) Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the Law of Moses is to graciously teach us how to experience an intimate relationship with God and Jesus by walking in His way, which is His gift of eternal life.

A child of someone is a person who is in their likeness by embodying their character traits, which is why Jesus said in John 8:39 that if they were children of Abraham then they would be doing the same works as him. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he embodied through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Law of Moses, so that is what it means for him to be the Son of God and what it means for us to be children of God when we are partaking in the divine nature through following his example. This is also why those who are not doers of righteous works in obedience to the Law of Moses are not children of God (1 John 3:4-10) and why Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Law of Moses (Romans 8:4-7).

Sin is what is contrary to God's character traits and the Law of Moses was given in order to teach us how to embody God's character traits, which is why it is by the Law of Moses that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20) and why those who hate sin will promote obedience to it while those who love sin will argue against obeying it.

Yada yada yada.

 

[Tall_Timbers]

What you mean they "know it"? That's circular reasoning. They believe it's true so it is true?

I get that it depends on God's mercy and grace, how do you know that mercy and grace is applied to you? You said, they know it. They can only know it through belief. As stated people believe all kinds of things that just aren't true.

"The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children." Romans 8:16

 

[Nedsk]

"The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children." Romans 8:16

Ok how do you know the Holy Spirit testifies with YOUR spirit?