OSAS origins and comparison

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Where did Jesus say that once a person has received grace, obedience to His commandments is no longer required?
Precious friend, those of us Justified Eternally do not disagree with you; the Confusion lies in:

"Which commandments of God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, should we be obeying For
"gold, silver, and precious stones" [ rewards ], At Bema Seat Judgment
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV) ?

Study 'link': I have decided to follow Jesus?

And, you are Correct: no answer to this question means "not much point in continuing", eh? 🙏

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:


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Amen.
 
I very much apologize for copying my post off of the Forum that banned my free expression. I've encountered no such prohibition on this particular Forum!

The reason I'm copying my original post off of the Forum I had been posting on was precisely because they were allowing only one perspective to be given. I was heavily censored, had my posts deleted or edited, and was told to confine my comments to the "Unorthodox" part of the Forum.

Again, if I could edit I would remove the part of my original post that suggested I'm being censored here. Much apologies!
I wish you could share the forum name with us. So that we are forewarned and don't make the mistake of joining.
 
Precious friend, those of us Justified Eternally do not disagree with you; the Confusion lies in:

"Which commandments of God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, should we be obeying For
"gold, silver, and precious stones" [ rewards ], At Bema Seat Judgment
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV) ?

Study 'link': I have decided to follow Jesus?

And, you are Correct: no answer to this question means "not much point in continuing", eh? 🙏

--------
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:


The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.
Hello Grace ambassador, I think it is obvious by my posts that I do follow the teachings of Christ closely.

you asked:"Which commandments of God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, should we be obeying"

Jesus already gave the commandments we need to obey out of Love for him here is an example in Matthew 19:16-22, Here Jesus points to the ten commandments as necessary to enter into life. There are a few more of course but these grant eternal life., these are the words of Jesus.

Do you think we need to follow the ten commandments? as Jesus explained and asked us to do? I hope you do, honestly.
 
Hello Grace ambassador, I think it is obvious by my posts that I do follow the teachings of Christ closely.

you asked:"Which commandments of God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, should we be obeying"

Jesus already gave the commandments we need to obey out of Love for him here is an example in Matthew 19:16-22, Here Jesus points to the ten commandments as necessary to enter into life. There are a few more of course but these grant eternal life., these are the words of Jesus.

Do you think we need to follow the ten commandments? as Jesus explained and asked us to do? I hope you do, honestly.
Good luck keeping all the commandments. You will be judged accordingly. I prefer the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.
 
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Thank you for your opinion. There are passages that seem to indicate OSAS and there are passages some use to indicate there is no such thing. Many find it important to have assurance one way or the other.
Anyone who needs to have assurance that they will die saved before they can have peace, is making themselves an idol. Our focus should be Jesus Christ and how to please God. Focusing on ourselves and what pleases us and what serves our agenda, is idolatry.

We have assurance that we have aeonous life (the kind of life that can survive into the next age) because we love the siblings of Jesus. Therefore, if we are not presently loving other Christians, we do not presently have aeonous life.

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we are loving the brethren. He that is not loving not his brother is abiding in death.
 
I wish you could share the forum name with us. So that we are forewarned and don't make the mistake of joining.
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Some nice people there. Unfortunately, the moderators all contribute their own opinions to the discussions and tend to censor opposing viewpoints. If you side with them on the various issues you'll enjoy your time there. :)
 
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Anyone who needs to have assurance that they will die saved before they can have peace, is making themselves an idol. Our focus should be Jesus Christ and how to please God. Focusing on ourselves and what pleases us and what serves our agenda, is idolatry.
No it isn't.
Eph 5.28 He who loves his wife loves himself.
"Loving yourself" requires "focusing on ourselves," and being concerned with ensuring we are God's Elect.

2 Pet 1.10 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election.


We have assurance that we have aeonous life (the kind of life that can survive into the next age) because we love the siblings of Jesus. Therefore, if we are not presently loving other Christians, we do not presently have aeonous life.

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we are loving the brethren. He that is not loving not his brother is abiding in death.

Yes, we need to love others *as we love ourselves.* If we care to be saved ourselves, then we should care to see others saved, as well.
 
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Some nice people there. Unfortunately, the moderators all contribute their own opinions to the discussions and tend to censor opposing viewpoints. If you side with them on the various issues you'll enjoy your time there. :)
I have not found a problem with sometimes disagreeing with what moderators post on Christian Forums.
 
I have not found a problem with sometimes disagreeing with what moderators post on Christian Forums.
Yes, for some reason I seem to have been singled out? Perhaps I was a bit too strong or too pointed? You would not know how much I've been deleted because quite simply--I was deleted...massively. I was told I could discuss things on the Unorthodox part of the Forum. Even there I may have been censored.

I complained that others were able to discuss certain subjects openly. But no matter how I tried to be fair, I was deleted and given ridiculous reasons for doing so. Ultimately I began to complain, and of course that is not allowed unless it is done privately in the mod part of the forum. That yielded no results whatsoever.

I'm happy for you. But I don't think you have a balanced view. Perhaps you have a personal friendship? Or, perhaps you simply agree with them on matters of less concern to them. Anyway you look at it, it is partial and unwilling to reason things out. Worse, it is judgmental towards opinions like OSAS or Calvinism which largely would be considered orthodox, but to them is viewed as a serious heresy. True?
 
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Some nice people there. Unfortunately, the moderators all contribute their own opinions to the discussions and tend to censor opposing viewpoints. If you side with them on the various issues you'll enjoy your time there. :)

I never had a problem with the moderators On Christianforums.net. That was the first forum that I posted on, or one of them. Then I took about twenty years off and then I posted there again for a while about a year ago. One time I was called a bigot there by a member for saying that homosexuality is sin. The moderators edited that post after I made them aware of it. I also discovered some ten year old posts by another member that were edited to have porn on them much later by that member. I'm assuming that the moderators edited that one too, but I never checked. I always suspected that there were more than a few atheists pretending to be Christians on that forum who were there to disrupt any discussion, making it unproductive. I think that's a "thing" that's been going on for a while on all Christian forums, but we don't see it. I'm thinking, why not, they infiltrated everything else. Any Christian forum is like the Alamo for uncensored public Christianity. Maybe the mods over there are just trying to clean it up.

Any problems that I have seen from that place was from the posters, not the mods.
 
Hello Grace ambassador, I think it is obvious by my posts that I do follow the teachings of Christ closely.

you asked:"Which commandments of God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, should we be obeying"

Jesus already gave the commandments we need to obey out of Love for him here is an example in Matthew 19:16-22, Here Jesus points to the ten commandments as necessary to enter into life. There are a few more of course but these grant eternal life., these are the words of Jesus.

Do you think we need to follow the ten commandments? as Jesus explained and asked us to do? I hope you do, honestly.

It's important to understand the context to know what is being said.

Matthew 19:16-22 also says that what is impossible for man is possible for God. And the young rich man was told if a he gave away his wealth that he would be perfect, which is what the Law requires. I'm sure that giving away his wealth would not have made him perfect, but only perfect with what he could see in himself. Anyways, Jesus was making a point, He was showing that man one example that he cannot justify Himself, it's impossible. The Law requires perfect obedience.

1) Rich young ruler ----- ""Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?"

2) Jesus ----- Says to obey the Law perfectly (giving examples of what that means).

3) Rich young ruler ---- "I have done all these things from my youth". (His perception, obviously not complete).

4) Jesus ----- "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." (one example of his many that he could not see, I'm sure).

5) Rich young ruler-----Walks away, he had great wealth and couldn't give it away.

6) Jesus--------- "what is impossible for man is possible for God."

7) The disciples reply to Jesus--------"When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, "Who then can be saved?""

8) Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."


What you're saying that man must do to be saved, Jesus says it's impossible for man to do. Perfect obedience. That's why Jesus had to do it for us.

Romans 10:1-4, 8-13 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
 
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Galatians 3:10-13 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith." Yet the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall live by them." Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),
 
I never had a problem with the moderators On Christianforums.net. That was the first forum that I posted on, or one of them. Then I took about twenty years off and then I posted there again for a while about a year ago. One time I was called a bigot there by a member for saying that homosexuality is sin. The moderators edited that post after I made them aware of it. I also discovered some ten year old posts by another member that were edited to have porn on them much later by that member. I'm assuming that the moderators edited that one too, but I never checked. I always suspected that there were more than a few atheists pretending to be Christians on that forum who were there to disrupt any discussion, making it unproductive. I think that's a "thing" that's been going on for a while on all Christian forums, but we don't see it. I'm thinking, why not, they infiltrated everything else. Any Christian forum is like the Alamo for uncensored public Christianity. Maybe the mods over there are just trying to clean it up.

Any problems that I have seen from that place was from the posters, not the mods.
Not my experience. I stated, in the simplest, friendliest terms, that I thought Calvinists were otherwise doctrinally orthodox, and that OSAS is a legitimate subject of debate. I argued that some Nominal Christians who have received Christian giftings are not necessarily Born Again. That was anathema to the moderators--all of the moderators seemed to agree. Ask them....

The whole problem there seems to be in discussing Calvinism. Though some were given leniency on doctrinal issues involved in Calvinism I was completely blocked on it, except in the Unorthodox part of the Forum. I was not allowed to discuss it along with others who were given some liberty on this. Again, if you doubt me, ask them!!!!

So that you know, I've been on quite good terms with all of the moderators there with the exception of this particular subject. They have said this subject has caused division in the past, and yet they tolerate the subject being discussed with others over and over again. And I'm shut away to complain only in private discussions with the moderators themselves, with nobody else knowing how much I've been editted or deleted.

I personally think that they're afraid of my own way of arguing this subject. That's why I have to go to other forums to get my views out in this area.
 
If you have the Spirit indwelling, you are in Christ and justified and born again. For one to lose salvation, one must then lose the Spirit of God indwelling, God's seal. That cannot happen. It doesn't matter how, it cannot happen.
Do you have a verse for that?
 
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Some nice people there. Unfortunately, the moderators all contribute their own opinions to the discussions and tend to censor opposing viewpoints. If you side with them on the various issues you'll enjoy your time there. :)
Thank you for sharing that.
 
No it isn't.
Eph 5.28 He who loves his wife loves himself.
"Loving yourself" requires "focusing on ourselves," and being concerned with ensuring we are God's Elect.

2 Pet 1.10 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, make every effort to confirm your calling and election.



Yes, we need to love others *as we love ourselves.* If we care to be saved ourselves, then we should care to see others saved, as well.
Why is it important to you to have an assurance from God that you will be securely saved into eternity? God has demonstrated His love for us in that while we were sinners Christ died for us. Surely, today He deserves our love and service in return, whether we persevere faithful to Him or not. Would you refuse to serve Him, if He did not guarantee you eternal security? Would that not be the tail wagging the dog?

Yes. We should love ourselves, because we are made in God’s image and He has imputed a high value to us. How does loving ourselves justify us insisting on having a guarantee of eternal security?
 
Not my experience. I stated, in the simplest, friendliest terms, that I thought Calvinists were otherwise doctrinally orthodox, and that OSAS is a legitimate subject of debate. I argued that some Nominal Christians who have received Christian giftings are not necessarily Born Again. That was anathema to the moderators--all of the moderators seemed to agree. Ask them....

The whole problem there seems to be in discussing Calvinism. Though some were given leniency on doctrinal issues involved in Calvinism I was completely blocked on it, except in the Unorthodox part of the Forum. I was not allowed to discuss it along with others who were given some liberty on this. Again, if you doubt me, ask them!!!!

So that you know, I've been on quite good terms with all of the moderators there with the exception of this particular subject. They have said this subject has caused division in the past, and yet they tolerate the subject being discussed with others over and over again. And I'm shut away to complain only in private discussions with the moderators themselves, with nobody else knowing how much I've been editted or deleted.

I personally think that they're afraid of my own way of arguing this subject. That's why I have to go to other forums to get my views out in this area.
Hey Randy

I've been on Christian forums that over regulate. I've had posts edited down to next to nothing. Not just opinion, Scripture was removed. I left immediately. I don't remember the name of that forum. It was just done dishonestly. I may not agree, but I can tell when someone has an axe to grind. But, I would qualify that with moderators are just people and most try there best. They have bad days too. It's a thankless job, because you'll never please everyone. A lot of there decisions are made because of things learned in the past as moderators.

Like I said, I used to be a mod a long time ago. Sometimes when I'm having a discussion on a forum now, my mod. hat says "Yep, you'd be gone". That's why I wouldn't make a good mod. I don't have the patience that's needed.

I was on a forum that shut down threads after a certain time. I think it's a decision made by the moderator. It seemed that the standards are that either the thread has run it's course, or it's becomes redundant, or even that it's off topic and after a few warnings, remains off topic. It's basically a judgment call, as I seen it. I've been on forums that have shut down discussions of covenant theology all together

When I left Chritianforum.net, (BTW, not on bad terms, I just decided that I needed a change of scenery, and do revisit from time to time.), it was what I would call a pretty liberal in theology forum. The mods. included. It was my opinion that maybe the mods were too lenient. But each forum has it's strengths and weaknesses. You just need to find one that matches what you're trying to accomplish.

Do you use the same name on that forum?

Twenty years ago I was a staunch Calvinist. But I must also say that I never agreed that man must be born again before He believes. My posting history is there for all to see. Yikes! You can see my understanding evolve and grow a little.